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blizzardboy
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posted April 09, 2015 10:28 PM |
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artu said:
There is a difference between doing something and becoming something, being referred to as the doer of it in a descriptive fashion. When the term bodybuilder is used, people are hardly referring to someone with the anatomy of Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Them bodybuilding moderately is irrelevant as a definer. That is very obvious and beyond any reasonable doubt, even your own picture confirms this. As I already said, there are, of course, degrees to this, it is not a binary thing but your arms for example categorizes as the bodybuilder arm, with all the veins and the circularity, meanwhile, Brad Pitt's dont.
Maybe it's just me, but when a hobby thread about bodybuilding opens up in the Tavern on a gaming forum, professional bodybuilding competitions isn't the first bell that goes off in my brain.
PandaTar said:
Starting to think it was a mistake bringing this thread up.
Nah. It's just some healthy exchanging of ideas is all. It's good to vent the house.
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posted April 09, 2015 10:58 PM |
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Hello.
I haven't read the argument on the last two pages.
Are you guys aware with the "bodybuilding nutrition" habit of eating six smaller meals daily, one meal every three waking hours? The main cited benefits are a faster metabolism and a steady stream of proteins to the muscles.
I came across a few sources that recommend this habit. But I have a concern that wasn't addressed by these sources. If you eat frequent small meals, some of your organs (especially the liver) will never get a pause, they will have to work continuously.
So, what do you guys think? Is it worth this extra load on your liver (at lest now, while I'm young)? Or should I stick with the classic "three meals a day" plan?
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posted April 09, 2015 11:00 PM |
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@ blizz
Well, when we simply told what we find excessive about bodybuilding IN GENERAL (which hardly qualifies as off topic, does it), you guys started to act like that has not much to do with the concept overall and that's just about a few record breakers or something. Professional or not, you know how the algorithm of google's image search works, it's the mainstream concept and it's what comes to everybody's mind when it is the main subject. People dont think of regular fitness, they mean the bodybuilding.
Besides, I saw your picture and I saw the original poster's picture. I dont think the level of exercise you indicate are the same and you talk about the same level of bodybuilding. But Forfy has a point, he had something different in mind and this perspective has been spoken out enough. Besides, it's the Tavern indeed, no need to go OSM karate.
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posted April 09, 2015 11:11 PM |
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mihaitza said:
Are you guys aware with the "bodybuilding nutrition" habit of eating six smaller meals daily, one meal every three waking hours? The main cited benefits are a faster metabolism and a steady stream of proteins to the muscles.
I came across a few sources that recommend this habit. But I have a concern that wasn't addressed by these sources. If you eat frequent small meals, some of your organs (especially the liver) will never get a pause, they will have to work continuously.
So, what do you guys think? Is it worth this extra load on your liver (at lest now, while I'm young)? Or should I stick with the classic "three meals a day" plan?
Yeah, I do something similar, and I don't think eating six meals over 15 hours is a lot of stress, but I don't really know of course.
Morning oatmeal, some meat products for lunch and dinner (also here I eat whatever green stuff I get) and ryebread with different fish inbetween and while I prepare the food for the next day.
When I went to the gym I tried to eat just after exercising as I was told there's an optimal period within the first 1-2 hours, or so, after training to get a good amount of proteins (ordinary food may suffice, especially if you drink something like Cocio or similar with it, but many seems to use protein drinks), so I often took a lunchbox to the gym I'd eat from in the changing room after training. 
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posted April 09, 2015 11:13 PM |
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PandaTar said:
Starting to think it was a mistake bringing this thread up.
There is a reason I never start or participate in a thread about my passions (did it once, got slapped by ignorants, not gonna happen again). You, as internet professional mascot, should know by now how it works. When you speak about your passions, there is emphasis, exaggerations, people will mock on, that will hurt, you will get sad, erectile functions will start decline, and that will be the end.
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posted April 09, 2015 11:14 PM |
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So Heroes of Might and Magic isn't a passion for you?
Joke aside, I'd like to see that/those threads if you remember them, please?
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posted April 09, 2015 11:18 PM |
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A video game a passion? Do I look as a Korean to you?
Heroes is just a hobby and an activity, because the mental challenges coding asks from a brainless musician slow a bit my aging disadvantages.
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posted April 09, 2015 11:26 PM |
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To be honest, I'm not really sure about the difference between hobby, passion, interest, devotion, joy, occupation, dedication, specialty, etc.
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posted April 09, 2015 11:45 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
mihaitza said:
Are you guys aware with the "bodybuilding nutrition" habit of eating six smaller meals daily, one meal every three waking hours? The main cited benefits are a faster metabolism and a steady stream of proteins to the muscles.
I came across a few sources that recommend this habit. But I have a concern that wasn't addressed by these sources. If you eat frequent small meals, some of your organs (especially the liver) will never get a pause, they will have to work continuously.
So, what do you guys think? Is it worth this extra load on your liver (at lest now, while I'm young)? Or should I stick with the classic "three meals a day" plan?
Yeah, I do something similar, and I don't think eating six meals over 15 hours is a lot of stress, but I don't really know of course.
Morning oatmeal, some meat products for lunch and dinner (also here I eat whatever green stuff I get) and ryebread with different fish inbetween and while I prepare the food for the next day.
When I went to the gym I tried to eat just after exercising as I was told there's an optimal period within the first 1-2 hours, or so, after training to get a good amount of proteins (ordinary food may suffice, especially if you drink something like Cocio or similar with it, but many seems to use protein drinks), so I often took a lunchbox to the gym I'd eat from in the changing room after training.
Yea 0,8g per your weight in day, example 80kg x 0,8 = 64g protein but you need B1-, B2-, B6-, B7- and B12-vitamins also C-vitamins. Safety matter to you!
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posted April 09, 2015 11:54 PM |
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Whatever you say, artu, whatever. 
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@Salamandre
Yes, I'm aware of that. It's just that if we don't talk about some stuff we like, we'll be shut off for good. I'm already a reclusive person. I'm actually trying to be a bit more friendlier to the outside, just in the way I had to be when I moved to this city 10 years ago and I didn't know anyone. Don't worry. Even if you revealed your passion was making snow angels by using your butt as a pattern, I would't laugh at you. 
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I came across a few sources that recommend this habit. But I have a concern that wasn't addressed by these sources. If you eat frequent small meals, some of your organs (especially the liver) will never get a pause, they will have to work continuously.
So, what do you guys think? Is it worth this extra load on your liver (at lest now, while I'm young)? Or should I stick with the classic "three meals a day" plan?
The general point of metabolism is that when you eat only 1-2 meals a day, you could make your metabolism slower, being harder to burn fat or provide your body with nutrients required in case you started exercising. So, the idea some have that eating less will help them lose weight might not be the best way to do so. It can work, but depends very much on what 'less' is considered, if in quantity or in number of times per day.
I eat 3-5 times per day. I don't eat when I am not hungry. Sometimes I can end up eating 2 times only, in days when I really get long time sleeping and resting.
Sources can indicate very different results from other dieting routines. A friend of mine, she's post doctoring and wrote an article explaining why it wasn't paramount eating that much daily, also something related to protein synthesis, peaks and the likes.
I suggest you find other articles on this subject, old and new to try and find common denominators in them, and whenever you find things that argue against each other, find another article for comparison.
Some methods I came by were by doing these things. Many of those also change with time, depending on new studies and articles they write, so it's somewhat difficult saying right and wrong in this matter of dieting. Besides, as one body works different from another, it's common that some dieting don't work well for everyone, although you may understand that some people are also not so committed in making that dieting work in first place.
But Ghost showed a safety measurement, which should also cover the normal consumption of protein daily. Just be careful when taking supplementation. You can be intolerant to certain things and you can have some bad reactions.
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Well, this is my story in this matter then:
When I was 19, I had a health condition which led me to start exercising with weights. I already practiced volleyball back then and I also was always going to and fro my city by bike. But I needed a stronger heart and also more blood, which I could arrange by having more lean mass, and practicing exercises more intensely. This solution given by the doctor was, initially, a suggestion, that turned out to be pretty much accurate.
The start was a bit difficult. Mainly because the place I chose to start was not the best place. It was the Military gym next to my college. Not that it was full of military people, but only located in a place of military training. It was, however, pretty much empty most of the time.
The responsible, which we could label him instructor, was a big bloke, a Commander of sorts which also used to be a competitor in bodybuilding ranks. He was (because he was killed) a very serene person and very polite. Good at explaining things. The problem was that he wouldn't be there too long, only for short periods time, so, when I started, I simply had little clue about what to do. What I did do was that it was important paying attention to the form, rather than fussing about heavy weights.
There was this guy in the gym whom I became friendly who would bench like 70 kgs and I remember wondering if I would ever lift such weight. I started benching 4 kgs each side, and I did that trembling from head to foot. I was pretty weak and also pretty skinny. I was this tall already, 1,77 m, but I weighted 57 kgs, and adding the fact that I'm a shy guy, even today, I was very reclusive at showing my bare body anywhere.
After months, my body got used to the activity. However, as clueless as I was and without proper instruction, it took me around 1-2 years to realize that my training routine was very messed up. I trained almost 5h straight (about doing all exercises I could), then I would train volleyball. This all without eating nor resting. I trained one day, then the other day was off. Still, not resting or eating what I should. In 2 years, I gained 4 kgs, and today I'm not even sure how I still achieved that. Just take note that back then, internet and information on this subject was a bit more hard to come by. I had dial up connection at home yet, and I could barely download a song without coming with hundreds of viruses along the way several hours later.
After I moved to another gym, I then understood that we could actually split muscles between days, so my time at gym decreased exponentially.
In just 1 year of this new way of training, I got 8 kgs of mass, which was something that really boosted my self-stem, because it looked like improvement and that I was doing something right.
Regardless, that time I tried my first hyper caloric supplement, more because it was the ONLY thing available that I could afford back then. Those shakes that would make us feel about to burp on your keyboard, but hey, I was experimenting.
That was when I moved from gym to gym, because I started to dread when I realized the local instructors didn't have a clue about much more than the common knowledge, and I felt bad about the time I lost when I had no instruction nor knowledge either. Not much improvement came from this. At this time, some of my health conditions subsided, but I still had others, so I kept working on.
Then I moved south, to where I live know. After settling in, started my training in a very different place, with proper support and very decent machinery. I also started coming into contact to a wider variety of supplements I didn't know, such as creatine and even whey protein. The gym was also the place I started socializing the most, because I felt embraced in that place and it was easy to get along with about anyone.
A couple of years later, after some more reading on the subject and much better support from instructors and friends who were graduated in the area, I started getting more serious in the activity, planning better routines, testing new techniques (terms which I was strange to like drop sets, giant sets), new supplements. By this time, I was around 78-80 Kgs, I think.
And mass and gains came steadily since then. Now, I'm 98 kgs.
From these last several years of training I learned that it's really not the best way to keep training if you close your mind. Some exercises had different perspectives or execution change in these years, when, slowly, more researching and articles are published showing better ways to perform or better exercises for certain goals. It was, with great effort and dedication, that I could finally understand the mind-muscle connection so important in this activity, which corresponds to a great deal over one's results, the way you focus when you are training, the amount of attention you end up giving to details in and out of your training. And even the posing, which some will understand as showing off (and I cannot state that, sometimes, it might be even the case, although it doesn't concern me or my training), very important for competitors to improve the awareness of positive contraction and control over fibers.
Some improvements come with time and learning, and practicing and testing. Some techniques can be better for your built, others, not that much. As I practiced and experienced different routines, I was able to have a holistic idea of things that weren't the best for me. Meanwhile, I was having some problems due stress and lack of sleep which reflected mightly on my results from time to time, so it was pretty much clear that eating and resting played a huge role and couldn't be taken carelessly whenever you started training.
I was always very careful about training too, given that I have never injured seriously myself. I had a little strain on my pec once, and that's that. Although I look to find my limits or break some of them, I opt for the safer approach, because I'm not really trying to show off to anyone but for myself. But that's me. I can't vouch for others.
This is a resume.
Feel free to ask questions you might think are pertinent and if you want some insight into some specific technique or exercise, you are welcome to ask away.
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posted April 10, 2015 12:02 AM |
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Ghost said:
Yea 0,8g per your weight in day, example 80kg x 0,8 = 64g protein but you need B1-, B2-, B6-, B7- and B12-vitamins also C-vitamins. Safety matter to you!
I don't remember the numbers anymore, but yeah I think it was something like that. Once one reads declarations on food labels, at least to me, it became clear such levels weren't that much, especially if you're very light weight as I am (I float in helium, so I guess my weight is actually negative ), and I already eat protein heavy food. ^^
But I don't think it's a problem to ingest excess amounts of proteins, though I've heard about potential for kidney damage, as far as I know, it's theory without any measurements backing it up as of yet.
For vitamins, I try to get them all through the food during the day, but I don't think it's to be within recommendation every day, just so that there isn't a large deficit over a longer period of time.
And now to read the huge post above mine! 
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posted April 10, 2015 12:27 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
Ghost said:
Yea 0,8g per your weight in day, example 80kg x 0,8 = 64g protein but you need B1-, B2-, B6-, B7- and B12-vitamins also C-vitamins. Safety matter to you!
I don't remember the numbers anymore, but yeah I think it was something like that. Once one reads declarations on food labels, at least to me, it became clear such levels weren't that much, especially if you're very light weight as I am (I float in helium, so I guess my weight is actually negative ), and I already eat protein heavy food. ^^
But I don't think it's a problem to ingest excess amounts of proteins, though I've heard about potential for kidney damage, as far as I know, it's theory without any measurements backing it up as of yet.
For vitamins, I try to get them all through the food during the day, but I don't think it's to be within recommendation every day, just so that there isn't a large deficit over a longer period of time.
And now to read the huge post above mine!
Yea what PandaTar wrote already, therefore coffee drinking need B-vitamins, if he never take B-vitamins, happens to him. When he took a lot of protein, he need more B-vitamins
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posted April 10, 2015 12:48 AM |
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@artu
Not every thread has to be turned into a massive contentious argument. The Tavern is supposed to be a relaxed space. Why don't you grab a beer and chill out?
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Nice post above. 
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posted April 10, 2015 12:55 AM |
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My thanks.
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posted April 12, 2015 12:41 PM |
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LOL, MAAAAAAAAAAN, CHILL, CHILL,...
You are actually transforming this topic in pure hell for the peoples really obssessed on getting musclses or loose weight
For example, you made a whole GIANT reply just to tell us that you eat 4-5 times a day !?
Well, it turns out that this is normal for a body-builder.
It is better to eat some food from time to time, more than normal, but the quantity of food you eat has to be low.
And, now I am fat again, and I SWEARED to my uncle that I will do 10 push-ups per day. It is the best think ever. Because it doesn't matter if you do one now, one after 1 hour, another after 2 hours...
But the idea is doing 10 per day. This is how you gain muscles, lose weight easy. My uncle is the AWSOMEST body-builder ever. But let's say that it shall be more harder to do sport the whole day, if you keep eating, or do a diet, but no sport, then doing 10 push-ups a day, and both gain muscles and lose weight. And so, here comes the summer with a big heat, witch is allowing you to simply go on an jogg. Plus you could simply sweat, and loose weight too. It is all easy, but you have to respect some rules.
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posted April 12, 2015 02:27 PM |
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husham123 said:
For example, you made a whole GIANT reply just to tell us that you eat 4-5 times a day !?
I explained, in my first, post, the OP, that I would tell a brief story about my experience into this activity. If you read things high and low, you'll see that it wasn't related to that number of times I eat whatsoever.
The other pages though, well, there are kinda of silly stuff embed there. Just read them if you will. Those were discussed in the meantime before I could write that brief story.
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10 Push ups? I ... started disregarding numbers for a while now. This is a funny thing. People often ask me if 3 x 10, or 3 x 12 or 3 x 6 are best for building muscle. The honest answer is "I don't know".
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posted April 12, 2015 03:14 PM |
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I really don't want to prolong this but it doesnt become silly just because you think your arms are not what I consider extreme. To me, they are and as the original poster, what you consider ideal (and what I consider overblown) is very relevant to the context, not some distant, straw man example.
You like that, good for you, keep riding that road. I wouldnt prefer those arms even without the exercise, I consider them within the category mentioned in Salamandre's link. It's a good article if you havent read it, everybody's reaction wont to be "wow" to that level of bodybuilding. No need to call things silly, when they are certainly not silly, you are just being defensive because you are taking this very personal, it's not, I wouldnt prefer such a thing, that's all. See you around and welcome to the HC.
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posted April 12, 2015 03:30 PM |
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Hahaha, you don't lose weight by excercising. That's the no. 1 mistake everyone makes. Fat DOESN'T turn into muscle. It's all a series of chemical reactions and it's a bit complicated to present without a picture (I'm too lazy to search for one).
However, it's the calories that your body needs and keeps storaged as carbohydrates, fats and proteins.
Carbohydrates are the primary source of energy and will be consumed first when needed.
Fats store excess calories that your body doesn't need at the moment. They will be consumed ONLY after your carbohydrates are gone.
Proteins are used to create muscles, but will be used as food when you run out of carbohydrates and fats. Consuming proteins means that you're consuming your muscles.
There are calculators on the Interwebz which show how many calories you need a day to keep your current weight. Consume more food than that and you'll just build up your fat reserves. Consume less, and you'll lose weight.
Working out makes your body carve for more calories, which means that working out helps you lose weight faster, but it doesn't, as I said, turn fat into muscle.
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posted April 12, 2015 04:45 PM |
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Panda's post made me realize that I am doing a hell of a lot wrong lol. For example, my breakfast right now of a chocolate doughnut and coffee 
Obviously Panda's body shows the results of his dedication, and we often need to be honest with ourselves and admit that we are too lazy to be that dedicated.
For some of us, it would mean a massive lifestyle change, for others just a few tweaks here and there. So now that I feel thoroughly ashamed, I have to take my bike out for a ride.
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posted April 13, 2015 02:36 AM |
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artu said:
I really don't want to prolong this but...
That's fine.
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I consider them within the category mentioned in Salamandre's link. It's a good article if you haven't read it, everybody's reaction wont to be "wow" to that level of bodybuilding.
I read that article. I also read that article written by another person, in the exact same fashion, years ago. And I often read that article parted here and there. As I said, bodybuilding is not for looking good. The author has the impression that bodybuilders do that because they think that will attract female attention. I cannot really vouch for what's in their minds, but they need to achieve such body in order to become competitive, even if most of women don't like that. In this regard, I cannot see that article as helpful. It shows preference about likeness of huge bodies, but a very mistaken point of view - the way she seems to think bodybuilders think. She might not have noticed that most of them, the ones that win titles, are already married and have sons of their own. The article has a meaning, yes, but she points out in a way I deem not right.
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No need to call things silly, when they are certainly not silly, you are just being defensive because you are taking this very personal, it's not, I wouldnt prefer such a thing, that's all. See you around and welcome to the HC.
Thank you. I apologize for the misunderstanding of my choice of word 'silly'. I've meant silly the context of us prolonging this discussion, given that both of us are simply talking about personal preferences, which is not what I would like to discuss. I'm merely letting me available to help those, in their preference, to achieve something in that activity, that's all. My defensive reaction came along the lines that you stated you weren't interested in any of this, as you said in your first post, so I thought very strange you prolonging that discussion, you see.
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