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I will check on it and see if changing it back will fix it

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dredknight said:

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The Gryphn,

I just played Inferno and I lost about 50-60 Cerberi by accident on first 2 months (Template Jebus - main + 2 side castles), partially my fault but I would like to say that inferno is very risky race to play overall. And this was hero with Gating.

I believe for a hero without gating things will be even worse, especially when combat stunning strike is being nerfed.

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magnomagus said:

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on the battlefield gating results in less casualties...

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thGryphn said:

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This is surely true but gating requires a skill slot and effective gating requires at least 4 maybe 5 skill/perk levels. A non-Gating hero can easily put those same levels on some other skill to compensate. A Gatekeeper or a Sorcerer may not go for War Machines or Defense or Leadership (for example) which can all make a significant difference in defensive and offensive capabilities. Considering this, I think the spawning boost should only match what that extra 5% gating brings to a Gating hero, not "Gating" ability as a whole.

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frogo said:

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I dont think Gryphin wanted to say that gating is a useless skill.
His argument holds as long as we value gating roughly as high as any other skill. If this is the case, the number of hounds should be compared to the 5% extra gated units and gating itself shouldnt be factored in.
I for one view the extra hounds to be a way more powerful bonus than the extra 5% in gating. Gating sure is very powerful, but for creepingg its mostly important that something spawns, 5% more or less doesnt really matter. For a final fight, the 5% more do matter somewhat, but as you dont need to kill gated units, only the extra dmg output from those extra 5% is important (and maybe hp to a small degree).


As both bonuses scale proportional with #towns, this factor can be discarded.

-Suppose you have 0 losses (this only helps the 5% gating bonus)
-Suppose you gate with all units (this only helps the 5% gating bonus)
-Suppose you have a castle in every town and every dwelling build
(this only helps the 5% gating bonus)
-Suppose you ve got enough money to buy all units (this only helps the 5% gating bonus)

#extra gated units from 1week growth are:
1.7 t1
1.5 t2
0.8 t3
0.5 t4
0.3 t5
0.2 t6

-Suppose all units are upgraded (this only helps the 5% gating bonus)

the extra army through gating costs:

1.7*50+1.5*75+0.8*180+0.5*350+0.3*760+0.2*1666 = 1077.7 gold

and 1077.7 gold corresponds to 1077.7/180 = 6 hounds.

This does not mean the extra hounds should be 6 per town.
Even if we disregard all the assumptions we made along the way helping the 5% extra gating, we dont actually get this army worth 6 hounds per week. Its only extra gating, meaning we only really get the dmg-output of this 6-hound-worth-army in a fight, but not the hp. So the hound bonus should be lower than 6 hounds per week.
But 6 hounds are already gained as soon as your hero lvls have a sum of lvl 15. You probably didnt even build the buildng for that bonus until then.

As a solution, i dont think you should stop having it scale with towns, as that will cause imbalances on a variety of maps. I think t has to be scaled down, while the gating bonus has to be scaled up.

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Thank you for keeping emotions out and reading what I wrote  

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Frogo you did a good math!

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Frankly I am very pleased with how Gating currently works and scale throughout the game.

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