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Thread: Making a new town for H4?
AnkVaati
AnkVaati


Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
posted June 20, 2015 06:15 PM

Making a new town for H4?

Thought of something regarding the discussion about whenever H4 was a success or not. The most striking difference between H4 and its predecessor is the lack of a vibrant moding community. Equilibris was good, true, but its scope was limited to simply making the game playable. After all these years, there isn't even a HD-mod for the game. The most advanced thing I've done myself was adding new music a couple of years ago, and even that was relatively complicated and resulted in a few crashes before I could get it to work.

Now I want to raise expectations a bit. How about adding an entire new town? I know that there have been successful attempts creating a Lich creature before, and swapping Devils with DC:s for Necropolis. But 8 entirely new creatures? Would it be possible - at least theoretically, to create a new alignment, or at least a new town with new creatures belonging to one of the existing alignments? Say I wanted to create a swamp town for H4. Would I have to tear down one of the existing towns in the process, or could it be possible to have it existing on its own?

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verriker
verriker


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Erwin Data Modeler
posted June 20, 2015 06:18 PM

I think you should ask Dalai or BAD at Celestial Heavens man, they are probably the only people around who might know lol
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TDL
TDL


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Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
posted June 20, 2015 06:25 PM

It's insanely difficult to mod H4, and I'd read in the past that even the files are kind of messed up, so I don't suppose it is possible to do it without rewriting the engine...
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted June 20, 2015 07:08 PM

It took 6 full years of fails and trials to one full team composed of programmers and graphic artists to add 1 town to Heroes III. Adding data without the source code is extremely complicated and slow.

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AnkVaati
AnkVaati


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Nighonese National Front
posted June 20, 2015 11:51 PM

Thanks for the replies guys! I realise that it's probably too much to hope for. After all, the latest update for Equilibris has been in development for almost a decade now, and we've still not heard anything of things like their promised 6 new campaigns.

If Ubi were smart, they would release the source code for HoMM 3-4 and the moding community could help them squeeze out some more cash from the old titles. But they won't.

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TDL
TDL


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The weak suffer. I endure.
posted June 21, 2015 03:00 AM

I'm fairly sure everything concerning Equilibris was scrapped back in 2004. The team just moved on.
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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted June 21, 2015 09:11 AM

Ubi doesn't have the source code. 3DO had the source code, and was lost when went bankruptcy. Except for RoE, hence the HD-edition.

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Karmakeld
Karmakeld


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posted July 19, 2015 05:28 PM

Well Dalai stated a few months ago on CelestialHeavens, that Equilibris is NOT dead and that they've might have something in store in a not so distant future. But that's all relative, compared to 10 years of silence.. But he did specificly ask for ideas to improve/smarten the AI, question remains though, wheter it's possible to implements the ideas that were posted.

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Macron1
Macron1


Supreme Hero
posted July 20, 2015 11:16 AM

HMM4 is dead. There wasnt a single new town in 10 years, why it will appear now?
PS Even my licensed HMM4 CDs are not working in Windows 8

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Warmonger
Warmonger


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posted July 20, 2015 11:24 AM

Tip of the day

If you want to mod, you have to be a modder.
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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


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posted July 20, 2015 11:57 AM

Macron1 said:
HMM4 is dead. There wasnt a single new town in 10 years, why it will appear now?
PS Even my licensed HMM4 CDs are not working in Windows 8


H4 is dead for at least few years  but look how many tournaments was held in this period and how many gamers is online on GameRanger at the evenings
Even now 2 online tournaments are in progress
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Karmakeld
Karmakeld


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posted July 20, 2015 11:24 PM

Karmakeld

If you'd care to step outside of HC and visit CelestialHeavens, you would know that several new maps and campaigns are still being made for H4, so it isn't dead. Megom Chronicles; Memory Crystal was released last year, The Tale of Young Mudgeon (campaign set around some of the H4 campaigns) and a campaign about Tarnum and The Reckoning is currently in progress, so H4 still got a lot of activity going on.

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EnergyZ
EnergyZ


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President of MM Wiki
posted July 20, 2015 11:36 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
Macron1 said:
HMM4 is dead. There wasnt a single new town in 10 years, why it will appear now?
PS Even my licensed HMM4 CDs are not working in Windows 8


H4 is dead for at least few years  but look how many tournaments was held in this period and how many gamers is online on GameRanger at the evenings
Even now 2 online tournaments are in progress


How can it be dead

if the governor system is used in H7?

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Macron1
Macron1


Supreme Hero
posted July 21, 2015 09:58 AM

Karmakeld said:
If you'd care to step outside of HC and visit CelestialHeavens, you would know that several new maps and campaigns are still being made for H4, so it isn't dead. Megom Chronicles; Memory Crystal was released last year, The Tale of Young Mudgeon (campaign set around some of the H4 campaigns) and a campaign about Tarnum and The Reckoning is currently in progress, so H4 still got a lot of activity going on.

Two maps in one year - it's sure a win.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted July 21, 2015 10:14 AM

Heroes I and VI are the only heroes dead. H4 is still played, and designing maps for it is harder process. Beside, someone told about online tournaments, so this is far from dead. Also H2 has some projects on going. + the argument about no town for 10 years is not the best, the 10th town for H3 came after 12 years./

But is true that development software (MMarchive, def tool, objects editor, editor patch) for H3 was available, while for H4 there are less.
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