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posted July 09, 2015 11:57 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Looks like the Greek "No" led to a boost in popularity with Spain's own anti-austerity party. That's a much bigger deal.
idk, they are already splitting into other factions, who knows in what shape they will be by the elections in December lol
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posted July 10, 2015 12:11 AM |
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You will find similar GDP-to-debt ratios elsewhere in the world, the absolute numbers of the US and Japan for example are MUCH more ridiculous.
yeah, but the US don't give a damn since everyone need their dollars.
when it comes to Japan, I think I heard it's not that bad because most of the debt is due to themselves.
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posted July 10, 2015 09:41 AM |
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It shall indeed be interesting to see where this is going.
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posted July 10, 2015 03:02 PM |
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The EU wont disband because it needs some form of unity competing with economic giants such as US, China, Russia etc. Without the union, the European countries would be like traditional little grocery stores against malls.
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posted July 10, 2015 03:09 PM |
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posted July 10, 2015 03:18 PM |
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I didnt mean it like its economy was perfectly swell, it is a huge land with vast resources and a state with united military control over them. It is a big section as a whole.
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posted July 10, 2015 03:20 PM |
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artu said:
From New Yorker
I love New Yorker's cartoons. They are funny and nearly always get straight to the point.
On the side note - who also considers that Tsipras is Joker of European policy? He is smiling on nearly every photo, he also loves to bring chaos into European policy. Just a little bit of white powder, red lipstick, green hair and voila - we have a true Joker! 
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posted July 10, 2015 07:14 PM |
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I bet the people in Greece must be pissed on Ts now.
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posted July 10, 2015 07:19 PM |
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It's difficult for labor and businesses to move around without some unified laws and codes. This even exists in the United States. You might be certified to teach in one state but then it's possible you run into some red tape if you want to go to another state. There's thousands of other examples and it's a pain in the rear. This is just off of the old system when the colonies first came into existence and so you kept having new "states" declared as the Union went westward, beating the **** out of the indigenous, buying the south from Napoleon for dirt cheap to fund a war he lost anyway, taking the upper half of Mexico, etc. The events all created new semi-autonomous states. Wish there was just a monolithic "US", with provinces. Just call the whole country "Washington" or something.
Marijuana is legal in Colorado " & Washington but is federally illegal. Things like that. It's just so obnoxiously convoluted.
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posted July 10, 2015 09:49 PM |
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That can create institutional competition though.
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posted July 11, 2015 12:41 AM |
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Edited by artu at 00:42, 11 Jul 2015.
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Greece is the latest battleground in the financial elite s war on democracy
Interesting article, not just about the current situation in Greece but also about IMF policies and neoliberal politics in general. Here's a sample:
All this is but a recent chapter in the long tradition of subordinating human welfare to financial power. The brutal austerity imposed on Greece is mild compared with earlier versions. Take the 19th century Irish and Indian famines, both exacerbated (in the second case caused) by the doctrine of laissez-faire, which we now know as market fundamentalism or neoliberalism.
In Ireland’s case, one eighth of the population was killed – one could almost say murdered– in the late 1840s, partly by the British refusal to distribute food, to prohibit the export of grain or provide effective poor relief. Such policies offended the holy doctrine of laissez-faire economics that nothing should stay the market’s invisible hand.
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posted July 11, 2015 12:53 AM |
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How is bailing out banks laissez-faire lol
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posted July 11, 2015 12:56 AM |
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I don't think the tyranny of radical laissez-faire doctrine, such as with Britain letting Ireland starve, can be fully compared to Greece. I'm not saying the creditors themselves were completely oblivious to what Greece was getting itself into, but ultimately, the elected Greek government is the one that signed the papers. Nobody held a gun to their head and made them do it.
edit: Ireland was a British satellite in the 19th century, and one with a history of rebellion against its stronger neighbor that oppressed it. There was (heck, even still is) bad sentiment that encouraged a "whatever" policy when the famine hit Ireland.
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posted July 11, 2015 01:22 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
edit: Ireland was a British satellite in the 19th century, and one with a history of rebellion against its stronger neighbor that oppressed it. There was (heck, even still is) bad sentiment that encouraged a "whatever" policy when the famine hit Ireland.
Thank you very much for that rare piece of information, Blizz. The 378 movies they made about the subject, put aside any decent history book on 19th Century never made me realize that until now.
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posted July 11, 2015 04:01 AM |
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Damn. Just saying. 19th century Europe was a far more angry place. You can't make the same parallel between northern EU countries and Greece (even if the current Greek government has made some desperate remarks in that direction for attention-grabbing reasons)
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posted July 11, 2015 04:20 AM |
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I think that was not exactly what the writer was doing, rather than drawing a direct parallel, he was building a perspective about a historical tradition and a mind set. I mean, if you read an article, say, "drawing parallels" between the history of colonialism and contemporary Western existence in the Middle-East, you can easily point out to many differences between the past and today. The fundamental similarities will be more important to focus on though.
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posted July 13, 2015 01:40 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 13:46, 13 Jul 2015.
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posted July 13, 2015 05:25 PM |
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Edited by phe at 17:27, 13 Jul 2015.
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Another senseless step..They will go bankrupt anyway. So why waste money? No further credits! Cancel debts!
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posted July 13, 2015 05:38 PM |
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Easy to say that, your country didn't rob its tax payers in order to fatten up the Greek oligarchs.
What is your job, Phe? Just curious.
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posted July 13, 2015 05:55 PM |
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Easy to say that, your country didn't rob its tax payers in order to fatten up the Greek oligarchs.
Polish government robs Polish tax payers to fatten up Polish and creditors countries' oligarchs neglecting reforms and focusing on next elections...
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What is your job, Phe? Just curious.
Haaa... I am housekeeper in hotel in Amsterdam...
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