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fred79
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posted September 22, 2015 10:05 PM

i forgot about plastic bottles. i reused 8 plastic bottles for most of 2 years(8 were what i could find around the house, i don't buy bottled anything). and when i tired of refilling them, i recycled them.

interesting to make a note of: when the media tried to say that people were reusing plastic bottles and shouldn't because of some chemical from the plastic that leaks into the drink, i knew they were full of snow. simple reasoning, that anything STORED in those bottles would contain the same chemical. so, why would the MEDIA say that reusing plastic bottles isn't safe? because companies cannot profit from people who reuse things.

it really makes me sick, how media and the companies are constantly trying to control, and profit from, the general public; even at the expense of the environment. to them, everything is about profit, and everything has a price tag. they should have never started selling bottled water, anyway. that's heinous in itself.

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posted September 22, 2015 10:10 PM

Not fun at all fact: Plastic takes 100 years to be "disected" by nature, glass, on the other hand, takes a thousand. So the next time you see a guy throwing an empty whiskey bottle or something, consider picking it up and breaking it on his head... If it's a girl, just toss it from a distance, because if she sees you, you will have successfully just got someone who will really, really mess with you. It's like the other guy said, a man will hurt you, but he will leave you alone, as a human being. Women however, **** in your heart.

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posted September 22, 2015 10:11 PM
Edited by Gryphs at 22:13, 22 Sep 2015.

fred79 said:
they should have never started selling bottled water, anyway. that's heinous in itself.
That actually reminds me of a documentary I watched on buying water in third world countries. In some African cities people have to buy temporary access to water pumps or purchase water from "water sellers", one village even had to pay to use a river, it was truly despicable.
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posted September 22, 2015 10:16 PM

When water is in short supply, not putting a price on it would be irresponsible. See the California drought, for example.
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posted September 22, 2015 10:19 PM

The water was not short of supply someone just decided to purchase the methods people got it from.
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posted September 22, 2015 11:30 PM

Gryphs said:
The water was not short of supply someone just decided to purchase the methods people got it from.


this.

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posted September 23, 2015 12:38 AM
Edited by Corribus at 00:43, 23 Sep 2015.

fred79 said:
interesting to make a note of: when the media tried to say that people were reusing plastic bottles and shouldn't because of some chemical from the plastic that leaks into the drink, i knew they were full of snow. simple reasoning, that anything STORED in those bottles would contain the same chemical. so, why would the MEDIA say that reusing plastic bottles isn't safe? because companies cannot profit from people who reuse things.

<eye roll>

There's no sinister conspiracy here by shady multinationals. There is no data to suggest that reuse of plastic drinking bottles is unsafe, and industry trade groups have freely advocated this position. It's unfair to hold industry groups accountable for the less than scrupulous, or simply negligent, reporting practices of media outlets. And besides, industry would not profit in any way from any increased fears on the part of consumers about plastics. It's in their interest for consumers to think plastics are safe.

In the case of drinking water bottles, there are have been several internet hoaxes, seemingly related to a discredited scientific source, that suggested leaching of dioxins or other toxicants from bottles during reuse. No legit scientific, regulatory, or industry group gives credit to these claims or has been able to reproduce them.

If there's a real concern about reuse of plastic bottles, it would be that such bottles are not adequately cleaned between uses, which could make them a potential source of pathogen growth. Also, plastics are approved for specific uses. If during reuse they are not used as intended (heated improperly, etc.) then there might be safety issues. So there at least some sense in general discouragement for reusing bottles because some people may no do so properly. Nevertheless, doing so is perfectly safe as long as you are using them as intended and keep them clean.
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posted September 23, 2015 12:55 AM

you say this like i don't know this. I know water bottles are safe. but the news in my area is where i'm getting this from. the news stations on t.v. were the people claiming that reusing plastic bottles is unsafe, which is what i was railing against. which leads to my reasoning:

why, would a supposedly reliable news source, spout such garbage? what reasoning would they have to spout such bullsnow? what reasoning would they have to spout all the other bullsnow they claim to be true, and why does most of it seem to be beneficial to companies at large, instead of the common man or woman?

why do you think i don't trust the media? if you can't rely on the news stations to tell the truth, then who can you rely on, cor?

*rolls eyes*, indeed.

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posted September 23, 2015 01:24 AM

mvassilev said:
When water is in short supply, not putting a price on it would be irresponsible. See the California drought, for example.


California has diverted trillions of gallons of water into the ocean in an effort to save a species of minnow. Save a few minnows with water that would have provided for 800000 people.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/california-droughts-smelt-fish/
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Corribus
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posted September 23, 2015 01:40 AM

fred79 said:
why, would a supposedly reliable news source, spout such garbage? what reasoning would they have to spout such bullsnow?

Because (1) controversy is what attracts viewers and (2) the intense competition to be first with a headline doesn't leave room for investigative journalism.  

Watch Season 5 of The Wire. You'll understand.
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posted September 23, 2015 01:57 AM

Corribus said:
fred79 said:
why, would a supposedly reliable news source, spout such garbage? what reasoning would they have to spout such bullsnow?

Because (1) controversy is what attracts viewers and (2) the intense competition to be first with a headline doesn't leave room for investigative journalism.  

Watch Season 5 of The Wire. You'll understand.


i don't see it as being sold as controversy when lying to the public, when the information given to the public is faulty, and directly benefits corporations. your second point makes more sense, though the fact that this kind of thing happening too often, detracts from it being merely a dumbass mistake due to any company deadline.

watching an entire season of some show isn't going to change my mind on this; it'll just waste my time. maybe you could give me the cliff's notes on it?

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posted September 23, 2015 03:23 AM
Edited by Corribus at 03:23, 23 Sep 2015.

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and directly benefits corporations.

As I said, stoking the public's fears about the safety of plastics in the food and beverage industry doesn't benefit associated corporations at all, which is why industry trade groups have been so quick to come out against it.
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posted September 23, 2015 03:55 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 07:51, 23 Sep 2015.

artu said:
@Blizz

Yes, I get your optimism about new technologies, ways to use new types of resources etc. These things can happen, they certainly will happen to some degree but will it be enough, that would be just guessing. And keep in mind I was talking about long-term issues, even if new technologies and resources come in play, at some point the multiplication should come to an end (or we should be able to colonize other planets which is probably much harder than it sounds except for maybe Mars). No specie can multiply forever without seriously destroying the others and having serious consequences on themselves, too, no matter what you farm or what you invent, there is a limit to growth and unlike the capitalist myth, it is not eternal, neither economically nor environmentally.



We have no idea what that limit is. It could be 20 billion or it could be over a trillion.

But what I have been saying all along is that the poison is also the cure. It's not necessarily that we can sustain the world in spite of more people, but that we can sustain the world because of more people. You increase populations with a high development index, you feed them, you care for them, you educate them, and then you watch them work their magic. And yes, my view places a very heavy amount of weight on the value of ideas. The value of human growth here isn't on the 19th century capitalist model of what they can materially produce, but on what they can intellectually produce. You're building a think tank and then rolling it towards the problem.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong big time.

Also, in fairness, climate change lobbies haven't always done the best job in raising public appreciation of this. Overselling your pitch by having zealous ideologues making fantastic claims that we're going to be living in the world of Mad Max within 30 years is counterproductive, pure and simple. A more measured response would help keep the neigh-Sayers in check.
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posted September 23, 2015 07:46 AM

Corribus said:
As I said, stoking the public's fears about the safety of plastics in the food and beverage industry doesn't benefit associated corporations at all, which is why industry trade groups have been so quick to come out against it.


the way they told it in the news, the harm came from reusing them, not using them. which is why i thought it was absolute bullsnow in the first place.

after reading the links and seeing that it was a bacterial issue, i am convinced my view on this issue is correct. i reuse 2 glasses all the time, without washing them with "hot, soapy water". since i drink so much Carnation Instant Breakfast(it's pretty much my staple diet), i have a chocolate film in my cups. i try to rinse them after every use, but the powder tends to cling to the insides of the cup, and builds over time. i'll drink pulp-filled orange juice out of these same cups, and water as well. from time to time, i'll clean them by hand, with plain water; when i think the glass needs it. everyone who knows i do this consider it unsanitary and gross, but i couldn't care less(it IS just dried chocolate, after all). if there was any harmful bacteria in it, then i would be getting sick constantly, as i've been doing this for 2 years now. since i've been doing this, i actually get less sick than everyone else(i'll get my nose running some, and a cough or two, but nowhere near everyone else, or how i used to feel when sick. plus, any sickness doesn't take hold of me, and lasts much shorter in time), and have found that i can eat things that have made others sick. whether this behavior of mine has longer-lasting effects is yet to be seen. but for now, i'm as healthy as an ox. well, an ox who doesn't get much exercise(), but healthier than everyone around me, who get sick pretty often.

hell, in a couple years, i'll have mutant healing powers.

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posted September 23, 2015 04:34 PM

Since I mentioned this the other day and this article just bumped up today, I thought I'd post the link.

Modelling of the impact of arctic thawing

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posted September 23, 2015 07:29 PM
Edited by Corribus at 19:42, 23 Sep 2015.

Mod edit. English only, please.

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posted September 24, 2015 04:24 PM

I thought I'd conclude my part of this thread with this;

Despite, not knowing the reason, it seems to me that something is happening and water is rising...and apparently at a faster rate than has ever been known.

What got my attention about this topic was from an eyewitness, not any publication of any sort. He is a friend and years back during his honeymoon, he and his wife got off the cruise ship and had pictures taken. This spot was near or at the north pole and had been the tradition there for quite a long time.

I think it was for the 10th anniversary they went back and it was not possible to take the shot again...not even close...water covered the region.

This fact led me to pay attention to a short blurp about the Maldives and after checking in a few times, the islands are in serious trouble.

Then there is the UK. I have followed those coastlines for a while now (I wrote a poem)and there are several communities that are in a fight against the sea.

Add to those three places,  that I already knew that the state of Louisiana is losing coastline at a nasty rate. For me that spells 4 different locations about the globe that are losing to water.

What am I to make of this? I have to trust the data and listen to the arguments.

1. Is it the solar-cycle? Apparently not this time.
2. Is it that we are heading for an ice-age? Not a clue.
3. Is it growing warmer around the world? That Data collected from many places says Yes.

My own thought; Since Norway and Finland are rising lands, could the land be "lowering" in these other places? Maybe, but I've never read this discussed and I think my thought is more akin to a grasp. In the end, it doesn't matter what is causing this if we cannot stop it, because rising water is going to do what it will.

Regardless, I believe we need to be living everyday in a way that "some" of my ancestors,(one the American native tribes) believed was important; that this Earth is Mother Earth and part of our very life.

However, am I hopeful? No. Why? Because governments run the show and they are only interested in business and the economy. When I buy a package and that package is anywhere from 2 to 4 times larger than it needs to be. I ask why? Marketing is the answer. i.e. I have opened a much too large, plastic-wrapped cardboardish-box covered in shiny foils and bright colors that held ONE PILL...you see since they are sticking it to the consumer to buy that one pill, they have to "wrap it in a manner that is impressive." Quite simply, until the Government will manage waste by managing Corporations...there is little I can impact. But I do my bit anyway. Maybe one day people and this planet will once again become important.

ps If heat really is a factor, than I suggest we do away with street and highway lights everywhere that far too often do little more than allow insects and rodents to play on lit-fields. Funny how consumers should be using the right light-bulbs, using mercury vapor and putting lights on timers or using daylight-detection but Big-Energy and Government agencies are still in splurge mode. But then again, I'd hate to investigate cities and drive down streets to see how many lights are on in each dwelling; I'd probably not like any of my findings. Governments and the folks are often in their own worlds and it's not Earth.

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posted September 24, 2015 04:43 PM

Actually I've observed this too, in my usual summer holidays we go to a town near the sea.

I've seen that the beach right in front of my house has been becoming smaller in time, and it's becoming more difficult due to this to find a place to go the beach near the usual places.

It's a shame that's happening, even though it may be because of the new port they built, but I'm not so sure since it's been happening since I was a kid, it may have contributed but it's not the definitive reason.
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posted September 25, 2015 06:25 AM

Neraus said:
...It's a shame that's happening, even though it may be because of the new port they built, but I'm not so sure since it's been happening since I was a kid, it may have contributed but it's not the definitive reason.


Yeah that's a very hard call. Strong storms have enough power to make significant changes. Tidal flow can change too and cause new erosion.

I used to have a very nice place a few minutes walk to the Atlantic but with sea-level looking iffy, I wasn't very comfortable there. Rising taxes cinched my move back home to higher ground. <L>

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posted November 04, 2015 05:53 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 05:56, 04 Nov 2015.

French weatherman Verdier 'sacked' for writing skeptic climate change book ahead of UN summit

Thought this was interesting. I guess Philippe Verdier is a staple weatherman for France, so his absence is a big deal. It happened one month before the upcoming climate change summit taking place in Paris.
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