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Thread: Racism, Policing, Political Correctness, and Civil Unrest This thread is 10 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · «PREV / NEXT»
Salamandre
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posted August 13, 2015 03:15 AM

@artu, arabs -at least the ones we have here- drink and smoke drugs, like everyone else, and x 2 even. I recall you that stealing, raping or hurting others is also prohibited by religion, yet a majority of imprisoned muslims (which btw represent 60% of the total, while being 5% of population) are in for that precise thing.  

As is often the case, religion is good to prohibit things to others only.
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artu
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posted August 13, 2015 03:33 AM

Dude, I know they drink (I've seen La Haine ). What I'm saying is they dont have the social tradition of it. It's not like criminal activity that is also forbidden by religion. Criminals are a different category and it is a universal pattern in everywhere that poor people produce more of them.
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fred79
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posted August 13, 2015 05:45 AM

Kayna said:
If you're talking about the USA, I disagree. I think they don't show the cops killing whites for some other reason, not sure which. It's not all about the ratings only when talking about mainstream media. It seems to go both ways, when whites are killed and when they kill both. Perhaps it's just a matter of exposing versus laying low, exposed being the worse position of the two.


i didn't say it was all about ratings. i pointed out that the media(much like any other type of controlling/directing agent for the masses) do what they can to drive the masses apart(not that they need help for that, lol). i am certain that there is much more to media(any media, be it news, t.v. programming, some movies, etc.,) than what it seems on a purely superficial-layer basis, but that's a discussion for another topic. i could go on and on about that kind of stuff, and people would always try to refute me on it; as most tend to miss the multi-intentions of the media that they intake. people seem to forget, that any media designed to entertain or inform, can be(and most likely is) used to control or direct the masses, for whatever reasons.

what i see, is most people taking the bait, on the many aspects of this matter, as well as how media is taken in by the public. which worries me, because the general public seem to WANT to be fooled; that it's all for their own good. i see the exact opposite. i see ill intent, and more than that, obviously prepared and directed(to control bias) information, deliberately designed to disrupt whatever harmony there COULD be. not that there ever WILL be, when it comes to the superficial "progression" of society, but i dream anyway.

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Kayna
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posted August 13, 2015 07:25 AM
Edited by Kayna at 21:49, 13 Aug 2015.

fred79 said:



what i see, is most people taking the bait, on the many aspects of this matter, as well as how media is taken in by the public. which worries me, because the general public seem to WANT to be fooled


Indeed, most people hear what they want to hear. In the last Bernie Sanders incident, the pro movement people are glad to see someone giving the microphone to talk ( even if it was quite rude! ), where as the more redneck type watch this and they got another excuse to be angry at black people, something we can consider they wanted to see. Thus you have both sides getting what they want to see, polarizing both sides even more and creating more drama and conflict ( something the USA higher ups clearly wants in most aspects of the US ), while the white man that got killed by a cop or that killed a bunch of people goes unnoticed.

Being exposed is worse than laying low. It's like choosing which bone to toss to a dog.

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posted August 13, 2015 11:26 PM

hey now, look at that. looks like the media are actually reading people's comments on this subject from all over the 'net. this may be a good step towards everyone getting on the same goddamn page with this snow.

...or maybe it's just a passing media fad. we'll see.

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kiryu133
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posted August 17, 2015 10:53 AM

ANotherlink on the matter, WOO!
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posted August 17, 2015 11:23 AM
Edited by fred79 at 11:25, 17 Aug 2015.

@ kiryu: that's a good story. weird, that my mom just traveled through morgantown, wv. i know riots happen frequently around the country, and nearly all are drunken idiots and their anger is over sporting events(which is nothing new, really. drunken idiots have always been an ongoing theme with sports around the world, which is telling as to the whole "dumb jock" stereotype).

i think the most common type of riot doesn't make news not because of race, but because of how often, or regularly, they happen. it's like an expected behavior with drunken morons; but not so with a group of people battling for civil rights(as far as pumpkin festivals go, well, that's new to me. i can't comment on that. alcohol was most likely involved, though, which ties it to "dumb jock" stupidity).

think about it, if a kid is known to throw tantrums, will you be surprised when they do, and tell your friends about it? most likely not. but if a kid who's normally peaceful throws one, you'll want to tell everyone. the "kid" in this case, is the situation, of course.

come to think of it, whenever there's a peaceful gathering of people that are for a good cause or are outspoken about something regarding civil rights(that ends up turning into a riot); that's always been televised, as far as i know. because it started out for a good cause, and now that a riot has happened, it is a way to detract from the cause. not that i'm saying the rioting(in any case) is excusable, though.

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Salamandre
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posted August 17, 2015 01:29 PM

Kiryu, what's about your video? I see people walking right and left and getting hit by police. Actually you just prove that white people do not act like black people when in mass.

Rioting means THIS

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kiryu133
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posted August 17, 2015 01:56 PM

Editing is a powerful tool and can make things look more or less horrible than it is. selective footage and all that.

The point is that the white protesters get "excused" because Alcohol or it's just "civil unrest" rather than straight up looting. It's still looting even if it's not as big or organized. Was it as big as Ferguson? probably not. It was still a riot and should be condemned and treated as such. Them being drunk is not a snowing excuse and is a lot worse since they didn't even have a reason.
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Salamandre
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posted August 17, 2015 02:02 PM

Or maybe it is just what we see in both videos: on one side, white people complying with police requests then getting hit, on the other side, black people brutally attacking white people for nothing (for being white but shht), and not complying at all with police requests.

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kiryu133
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posted August 17, 2015 02:17 PM

Editing. We only see what the editors want us to see and if that is too paint a picture of blacks as violent and disruptive that's all we're going to see even if it's not what happened and if they want to show a picture of white rioters being reasonable and calm, that's the footage they will use. It's standard manipulation.
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posted August 17, 2015 02:39 PM

I agree that selective editing towards a certain story in stead of depicting the "real" picture is troublesome, but I don't think we can conclude e.g. the opposite must be true then. Rather I think all there is to it is that perhaps we should be wary about unquestionable accepting the conclusions as presented to us and be skeptical towards the so called "evidence".

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Salamandre
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posted August 17, 2015 02:46 PM

Kiryu, are you ashamed of being white or what? I can understand and respect people with idealistic views, but in this case it looks to me you are hermetic to any evidence.

I mean, what editing, have you any evidence about this editing? As today everyone goes down the street with a cell camera in his pockets, so having all videos edited at once seems to me very unlike.
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kiryu133
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posted August 17, 2015 04:50 PM

Salamandre said:
Kiryu, are you ashamed of being white or what? I can understand and respect people with idealistic views, but in this case it looks to me you are hermetic to any evidence.

I mean, what editing, have you any evidence about this editing? As today everyone goes down the street with a cell camera in his pockets, so having all videos edited at once seems to me very unlike.


I am not ashamed. I recognise my white privilege and how being white allows me much more freedom and opportunity than someone of colour.

And i have seen unedited footage. It's a mess. Yes, rioting was indeed rampant but the stuff being stolen is stuff like toilet paper and plenty of (black) people were trying to stop the violence which happened primarily when forced to it. These are people getting pushed to the limit because of racism and the news does not show the prodding itself nor the people trying to stop this madness.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 17, 2015 06:41 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 18:42, 17 Aug 2015.

kiryu133 said:
I am not ashamed. I recognise my white privilege and how being white allows me much more freedom and opportunity than someone of colour.

You sound like a blue blood snob, but that's my opinion. Frankly though, it's not your skinn color that gives you freedom and opportunities.

kiryu133 said:
These are people getting pushed to the limit because of racism and the news does not show the prodding itself nor the people trying to stop this madness.

I would actually be so bold to say that it is the white people being pushed to their limit with these racist matters.

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kipshasz
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posted August 18, 2015 02:26 PM

I'll just leave this here...



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Salamandre
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posted August 18, 2015 03:59 PM

That recalls me how damnt sexist men are.

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Elodin
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posted August 28, 2015 08:38 PM
Edited by Elodin at 20:41, 28 Aug 2015.

kiryu133 said:


I am not ashamed. I recognise my white privilege and how being white allows me much more freedom and opportunity than someone of colour.



I disagree that "whiteness" grants one more opportunity or freedom in the US.

The children of Obama, Oprah, Michael Jordon, and other rich or well known blacks are advantaged When compared to the children of most whites.

Where an innate birth advantage or disadvantage exists is in economic class one is born into and the parenting or lack thereof that one receives.

One can overcome disadvantages of birth birth in America by hard work and good attitude.

Good attitude and proper respect will also help anyone in their dealings with law enforcement.  Cops are a busy lot and most will not "mess" with anyone who is not giving them a reason to.

If a person of color attacks a cop and is killed in the encounter that is not racism. If a person is innocent or guilty he should always cooperate with the cops even if he feels he is being unjustly arrested. Resisting arrest is foolish.

Much of the racial tension has been stoked by one particular political party that has the "divide and conquer" strategy of identity politics. America elected "the Great Divider" as president.  America needs to reject identity politics and elect politicians who reject it as well. And politicians who demonize the police should be shown the door as well.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 28, 2015 09:06 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 05:45, 29 Aug 2015.

Idk about the US, but here in England it's almost common knowledge that whites are automatically superior by virtue of just being born white, irrelevant that there's a few successful black/minority peeps out there.

It's fact, a disgusting one but still is, pretending that it doesn't exist isn't going to help, neither does solutions that make black people seem handicapped for instance the use of quotas (same with women in politics, using quotas doesn't tackle sexism it is sexism, women are not DISADVANTAGED ffs, quotas especially are just insulting). I mean a really solution something that changes attitudes and the fabrics of the way we look at race/sex altogether.



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Salamandre
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posted August 28, 2015 09:52 PM

Black people keep complaining how whites are racist and how they act as dominant race, while constantly and massively emigrating exclusively into countries with white preponderance. Eh?

Me, for example, when I emigrated in France, I was convinced that frenchies were superior to romanians -in a whole bunch of aspects, and this is what motivated my exodus. This doesn't mean I will give up if in competition with a french, but being realist helps in avoiding the ridiculous auto-victimization process.


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