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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Racism, Policing, Political Correctness, and Civil Unrest
Thread: Racism, Policing, Political Correctness, and Civil Unrest This thread is 10 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 · «PREV / NEXT»
blizzardboy
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posted August 29, 2015 04:43 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 04:44, 29 Aug 2015.

Auto-victimization isn't unique to the race/immigrant debate. It's a phenomenon of the contemporary age that is going to no doubt go into history books. You can name any demographic imaginable and you'll find a subculture within it that plays the victim card. It shouldn't be surprising. Victimization = some sort of material reward. You think people are going to pass that up? They wouldn't pass it up anymore than they would pass up a treasure map.

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posted August 29, 2015 06:11 AM

hahah, very true.  Even white guys have multiple whiner clubs to join nowadays.

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posted August 29, 2015 06:21 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 06:32, 29 Aug 2015.

For white whiner-clubs it is primarily a counter-revolution to the "whiner clubs" of minorities. I won't be too sarcastic about it though: there are plenty of legit grievances, but needless to say many lobbies single-mindedly milk it in order to extract whatever benefits they possibly can out of their efforts. It never seems to be enough, and why should it be? Social justice is money in the bank.

There are urban neighborhoods in America where white demographics are worse off than the black ones. In a painfully broad statistical average, the white boi is definitely the best off, but this betrays groups of people when you break it down further at a state and local level.

Case in point: I'm living on an Indian reservation that started pumping oil in the 1960s and now have a glittering shiny school, tribal building, police station, etc. There's no shortage of domestic problems, but they are economically quite better off than the white/hispanic dump just outside of it.
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Ebonheart
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posted August 29, 2015 10:06 AM
Edited by Ebonheart at 10:11, 29 Aug 2015.

This thread is racist due to racists. This forum is racist due to white colors. This blizzardboy is a racist because he got more red stars than me. He is also racist for accepting red stars and not black ones. Last but not least he is a racist for not using a avatar for multiculture.

This example is the reason for why I find "racist" matters to be something one can't even debate these days.

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posted August 29, 2015 10:38 AM

Straw manning much?

It's very much an issue of wealth, more so than race. The economical separation between those with and without money is so incredibly wide it's rather ridiculous and is where the attention should be put.

That said, there is no doubt that black poor people have it worse than white poor people but butting these two groups against each other doesn't help anything. Having them join together (where the first step is to stop using racial slurs and treat each other with the same amount of respect) is what needs to happen. In reality it's an issue about class, rich versus poor except the rich ones use their influence to turn it into a "race-issue" and that's just appalling and unfair.
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posted August 29, 2015 11:09 AM

That is the humbug they try to KO us with. Poor vs rich is the cause of all. Well, it isn't. The lowest class black from France, or Sweden, or Norway, is doing much more money than the middle class white from all East Europe, yet when the white from East Europe is emigrating, he isn't the source or troubles because the education isn't the result of class but of a nation history of social movements and moral values.
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posted August 29, 2015 11:12 AM

kiryu133 said:
Straw manning much?

It's very much an issue of wealth, more so than race. The economical separation between those with and without money is so incredibly wide it's rather ridiculous and is where the attention should be put.

That said, there is no doubt that black poor people have it worse than white poor people but butting these two groups against each other doesn't help anything. Having them join together (where the first step is to stop using racial slurs and treat each other with the same amount of respect) is what needs to happen. In reality it's an issue about class, rich versus poor except the rich ones use their influence to turn it into a "race-issue" and that's just appalling and unfair.

Since humans refuse to work on their minds and egos, you will never solve the problem and the world will always be unfair. If you truly want things to be equal then cut the mumbo jumbo about material differences and tell people to start work on their egos. There are a lot of examples of people being happy and perhaps even more so than the westerners when it comes to material possession. So in reality, this class issue only exists in your mind. But since you neglect turning your attention towards that and prefer carping about the material differences, you will probably just increase the difference between rich and poor.

As for the groups, what makes you think that combining two different cultures will be good? I am not telling you it is wrong here, but why should it be done all the time? Is it because they can't make it alone or what?

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blizzardboy
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posted August 29, 2015 04:31 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 16:45, 29 Aug 2015.

kiryu133 said:
Straw manning much?

It's very much an issue of wealth, more so than race. The economical separation between those with and without money is so incredibly wide it's rather ridiculous and is where the attention should be put.

That said, there is no doubt that black poor people have it worse than white poor people but butting these two groups against each other doesn't help anything. Having them join together (where the first step is to stop using racial slurs and treat each other with the same amount of respect) is what needs to happen. In reality it's an issue about class, rich versus poor except the rich ones use their influence to turn it into a "race-issue" and that's just appalling and unfair.


Yes and no.

Being black might be worse - depending on your particular family - because of the work mentality you're more likely to be raised in. For blacks (referring at least to those in post-slavery American countries) you have a disenfranchised culture. They have been artificially trained to be defeatist because the 19th/early 20th century defied the natural law... that if you work harder/better you're going to yield a greater reward. For manual labor, this literally boils down to physics and math. Stick X worker to build a railroad, and stick Y worker to build a railroad, and the better worker is going to produce more railroad. There were zero problems with blacks being lazy post-slavery because they were already used to being workhorses with almost no holiday.

The problem is that they quickly discovered they could work harder/better and receive less pay, and have less (if any) opportunity for promotion. This continued for decade after decade. Now with man-made laws defying natural law, what do you suppose that did to the work ethic of black culture? It squashed it, and though the state persecution is gone, you can still see it today. It is a collective mentality of "Whatever". Every year you move forward from the past, it becomes more and more vague. More whites are falling under the stereotype of black culture, and some blacks are falling under the stereotype of white culture. Not to mention that most blacks in the W Hemisphere aren't actually black. They're mulatto.


On the other hand, you can receive free/discounted higher education if you have a dark skin color. A poor white from a terrible home life will receive no such benefit, other than some benefits from their low family income. They're on their own. It doesn't matter if X black actually had a decent upbringing and the X white had a father in prison and a mother that drank 8 shots of whiskeys a night in front of her kids and chased them around the trailer house with a leather belt. The white is - quote - "privileged" and the black here is not.
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kiryu133
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posted August 29, 2015 04:41 PM

All this makes me think is that the US is completely bonkers
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posted August 29, 2015 04:46 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 16:52, 29 Aug 2015.

Could you more accurately state why you think being black in northern Europe is a horrible thing? Give me an X, Y, Z list of how blacks are suffering injustice there. I want to understand you, and I really do mean that, but I don't.
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kiryu133
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posted August 29, 2015 04:55 PM

blizzardboy said:
Could you more accurately state why you think being black in northern Europe is a horrible thing? Give me an X, Y, Z list of how blacks are suffering injustice there.


In sweden there are clear laws against any hate-speech and such. No real disadvantage as such (a good while back some police got fired for using racial slurs). Minor racism is frequent, in it being easier to get a job if you're white, pay is somewhat higher etc. generally a very "politically correct" nation, however things are getting a bit out of hand as a political party who are more or less Nazi's (but blaming muslims) have gained pretty high amount of power.

Some privately owned media does tend to show more immigrant crime than others which is quickly left behind.
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posted August 29, 2015 05:00 PM

So when you say "black" you are specifically referring to Muslim blacks?
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posted August 29, 2015 05:00 PM

Actually discrimination based on skin color, race or religion is punished by law, + there are dozens of tax-payer fattened big mouth associations which will make from your life a hell if you dare.  Basically, the black/arab supposed injustice in Europe is over since a while. Sure, there are still not factual discriminations, like refusing leaseholds or jobs to a certain religion adepts, yet those too are bloody tracked and silenced by above associations.  

But how valid are those non  factual discriminations still remains to be determinate. There is such amount of culpability over the racism, such semantic mutations over it as well, that people simply try to avoid problems. There are a lot of little budget business men which are afraid of hiring muslims because they know -in a way or another-, they will pay it handsomely later; or at their level, this will affect both their individual survival as well as others employees.
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posted August 29, 2015 05:09 PM

blizzardboy said:
So when you say "black" you are specifically referring to Muslim blacks?


I have been referencing primarily afro-americans since the current situation in USA was the primary motive behind this thread. If my use of the word (which was due to convenience) is troubling i will gladly change it.
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posted August 29, 2015 09:36 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 21:37, 29 Aug 2015.

kiryu133 said:
In sweden there are clear laws against any hate-speech and such. No real disadvantage as such (a good while back some police got fired for using racial slurs).

In Sweden the law has been stretched far too much. Another problem is that you can blame next to anything on discrimination and hate-speech.
kiryu133 said:
however things are getting a bit out of hand as a political party who are more or less Nazi's (but blaming muslims) have gained pretty high amount of power.
The sheer thought of that 25% of the Swedish population now votes for them has not crossed your mind? What a nightmare this must be. Every 4th person you encounter is therefore more or less a Nazi.
I think you need to wake up and realise that if 1/4 of the entire population votes for a party, then something in the society is not working as it should. It is a democracy and that only means that the people decide, it does not mean you can only agree to some things.
kiryu133 said:
Some privately owned media does tend to show more immigrant crime than others which is quickly left behind.

No they simply hand over the facts. Something the left oriented newspapers tend to avoid (a lot). It is also no big secret that immigrants are vastly over-represented in certain crimes  and their statistics.

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posted September 09, 2015 09:17 PM

kiryu133 said:
however things are getting a bit out of hand as a political party who are more or less Nazi's (but blaming muslims) have gained pretty high amount of power.
The sheer thought of that 25% of the Swedish population now votes for them has not crossed your mind? What a nightmare this must be. Every 4th person you encounter is therefore more or less a Nazi.
I think you need to wake up and realise that if 1/4 of the entire population votes for a party, then something in the society is not working as it should. It is a democracy and that only means that the people decide, it does not mean you can only agree to some things.
kiryu133 said:
Some privately owned media does tend to show more immigrant crime than others which is quickly left behind.

No they simply hand over the facts. Something the left oriented newspapers tend to avoid (a lot). It is also no big secret that immigrants are vastly over-represented in certain crimes  and their statistics.

25% of swedes would not vote for SD today. That survey was flawed and everyone knows that SD supporters are much more passionate and active than regular swedes. That being said, more or less bloated percentages does not really change the reality which is that SD is easily the third largest party.
Lower class minorities are over-represented in crime statistics everywhere and why do you think they are? Race, culture/religion, poverty, alienation or ignorance? Race can be ruled out immediatly and culture is only a road block, not a cause of crime, which can be shown with historic and modern examples. In their homelands, people that we regard as immigrants here, all share poverty and ignorance. While plenty of them are educated individuals, many of them bring with them their poverty and ignorance when they come here. Failed integration policies will then lead to alienation which leads to further ignorance which results in poverty that traps them in place.
With the recent immigration crisis, the swedish people as a whole has already shown that they are not xenophobic and welcome the needy with open arms. This is also THE time for the government as well as the opposition to show that they are competent and can fix the integration policies to be both humane AND smart. If they fail, more people may buy into the whole "help them in their own countries" bullsnow.
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posted October 13, 2015 09:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpXRmT2l7k, not safe for childern.
So...why this video didn t go viral?
Because is impossible bashing the police and scream !GOMGOMG 'MURICA POLICE RACIIISSSTT"!!! or whatsoever.
Plus this show how bodycams are op.

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posted October 13, 2015 10:18 PM
Edited by fred79 at 22:19, 13 Oct 2015.

DivineClio said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGpXRmT2l7k, not safe for childern.
So...why this video didn t go viral?
Because is impossible bashing the police and scream !GOMGOMG 'MURICA POLICE RACIIISSSTT"!!! or whatsoever.
Plus this show how bodycams are op.


yeah, now that the bodycams are in play, the cops have to play the part. not saying that all cops are homicidal maniacs, but at least now we'll have a record of what's actually going on. each one of these bodycam videos outta be uploaded to a website for the viewing public.

having to place camera's everywhere is a disturbing trend, but as long as people will be the screwups they are, i see no other way of documenting reality, keeping the truth in view, and keeping a rein, as it were, on humans and their deeds. it may not lead to more peace in the communities, but it'll certainly document what's going on, so there could be no possible misconstruing of the facts by either civilians, or the police.

my only issue with camera's, is having them posted all over the place; which i hear is going to be complete in a couple years, where i live. there are much darker implications of what that could mean, and not just by trying to control the darker side of humanity. it could also be abused by authority, should they need to tighten their grip on the populace.

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posted October 14, 2015 02:27 AM

Body cams are going to actually help the cops a lot.  The jury will get to see what scumbags a lot of criminals are and get to see that yes the accused did pose a threat before he was shot and no the cop did not call him the N word. Of course the evidence means nothing to the race hustlers.

As for putting cameras all over the place, I am opposed to that. Too much Big Brother.
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posted October 14, 2015 03:42 AM
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Elodin said:
Body cams are going to actually help the cops a lot.  The jury will get to see what scumbags a lot of criminals are and get to see that yes the accused did pose a threat before he was shot


Body cams are going to help the cops. The jury will get to see how scumbags certain criminals are. Body cams will also suffer from an accidental drop / sudden malfunction / suddenly broke upon hitting something / sudden memory corruption / forgot to charge the battery when the cops are indeed abusing of their power and the jury will get to see a corrupted and unplayable file.

Definitely a win for the cops.

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