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kiryu133
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posted September 05, 2015 03:49 PM

Kind of. More like a mix between H5, H3 and vikings. H3 general direction in feel, H5 designes (aside from the wyvern and Cyclop) and viking towns and buildings.
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Mediczero
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posted September 05, 2015 03:52 PM

kiryu133 said:
Kind of. More like a mix between H5, H3 and vikings. H3 general direction in feel, H5 designes (aside from the wyvern and Cyclop) and viking towns and buildings.

I like the idea, but H5's wyvern and Cyclop looked great, so why..?

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kiryu133
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posted September 05, 2015 03:58 PM

Mediczero said:

I like the idea, but H5's wyvern and Cyclop looked great, so why..?


art style didn't work for the wyvern and I very much prefer more human cyclopes. Generally, I prefer stronghold mostly having more human beasts blended with a few monsters so trolls, Classic cyclopes and either a wyvern or a Roc. Depending on how norse inspired it could be a wyrm or Lindorm instead. Should be snow-based faction in that case though.

Society should be Mongolian with small villages dotting the rough landscape.
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TD
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posted September 05, 2015 05:28 PM

Stronghold:
draw between h4 and h5. I loved the h4 designs most except cyclops which was kinda scrawny to my eyes. Also disliked the gorilla Behemoth -design. H5 on the other hand was pretty different kind of barbarian.

Haven:
H4 Life had the best designs IMO except the angel(for which I would prefer h5 upgrades).

Academy:
H5 no question about it. Only hate the paperweight gargoyle-design.

Necropolis:
I would go h5. Only real dislike I got for it is the beer belly redneck known as zombie. It just really irks me.

Dungeon:
h4 Asylym. I know it's not exactly dungeon as it was mixed faction, but I loved the fact that it was done with beasts/monsters + the bandit as core. If I had to go with "real" dungeon I would go h6 without the purple(and trash the elf-units).

Nature:
Definitely h4 nature. I loved how it had so many differents kinds of units with the portal thingy. Rainbow unicorn was totally horrible though, thankfully you could buy griffin(I think) instead. H5 would be a close second overall.

Inferno:
H5 no doubt about it. H6 did have nice pitlord and tormentor, but the rest was trash.

Not gonna bother with sanctuary nor dwarves since they only had single game, rest are just concepts. Overall I value designs to be rather simplistic showing the essence of the unit. I always liked h4 and h5 designs in general, but like with all games so far there is always some oddballs (IMO) that just stick out from the rest in bad way.

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Mediczero
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posted September 05, 2015 05:50 PM

kiryu133 said:
art style didn't work for the wyvern and I very much prefer more human cyclopes. Generally, I prefer stronghold mostly having more human beasts blended with a few monsters so trolls, Classic cyclopes and either a wyvern or a Roc. Depending on how norse inspired it could be a wyrm or Lindorm instead. Should be snow-based faction in that case though.

Society should be Mongolian with small villages dotting the rough landscape.

Well in the case of the Cyclop it's a matter of preferances, I like a more brutal beastlike Cyclop myself.
As for the wyvern, I still really don't see the big problem with it.

Anyway, I do like your idea for Stronghold (going to burrow it for this setting I'm working on ), however I'm going to use H5's to present stronghold mainly.

And thanks for the imput TD, pretty much agrees with it all, except that I think not all darkelves should be trashed, and that h6's "angle" looked better (but it could look even better )

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TD
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posted September 05, 2015 06:00 PM

I don't mind dark-elves themselves, just the models h6 had in the line-up. For example assasin in h5-style would be welcome there IMO.

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Mediczero
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posted September 05, 2015 06:08 PM

TD said:
I don't mind dark-elves themselves, just the models h6 had in the line-up. For example assasin in h5-style would be welcome there IMO.

Agreed... Though I liked the stalker...

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monere
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posted September 22, 2015 06:41 PM

I don't like your opinions and I hope they never get implemented in any heroes game.... EVER!

Why don't I like your opinions? Simple: you don't like one of my favorite Heroes factions of all time: H3 fortress. Its specialty was defense indeed, but if you have an offense specialty faction (stronghold), a mass (read: ABUSING) unit spamming faction (necro), why wouldn't you have a defense-based faction? Because YOU, personally, don't like it? Well, I'd be inclined to say "screw you!", but I won't say it cause I'm too nicer of a guy. But you really should stop attacking my favorite faction, cause otherwise I'll go tell my mommy that you don't like it. Or something...

kiryu133 said:
I'm thinking Faketress with buildings like these(except snowy and without the sculpure) and general unit armament looking like this

would work really well.

While statues and music and such can stay about the same, having a faction so heavily focused on turtling, defensive siege be primarily (and only) viking themed (especially in architecture) makes absolutely no sense to me. That should be reserved for factions that are more offensively minded or at least not those who prefer hiding behind thick walls. Particularly Stronghold and Rampart, Stronghold because the whole "barbarian" vibe would fit very well and Rampart due to viking designs looking very natural. Tell me this wouldn't look fantastic for a nature town.

And a ring fortress would work so much better with stronghold/rampart too.


Anyway, I'v already told people what my preferred ideas are (here. Am particularly proud over fortress) even though some of them are kind of out of the question, like cyber-preserve and non-medieval-Europe haven. In general, those are the directions I'd like the factions to take.

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Laser70
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posted October 08, 2015 05:24 AM
Edited by Laser70 at 06:52, 08 Oct 2015.

I just wish the latest heroes series would be a bit more like the older Heroes.

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Mediczero
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posted October 08, 2015 11:38 AM

Laser70 said:
I just wish the latest heroes series would be a bit more like the older Heroes.

Unless the series dies, then there is still hope... Though, what is it you would like..?

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verriker
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posted October 08, 2015 11:47 AM

Mediczero said:
Unless the series dies, then there is still hope... Though, what is it you would like..?


there's actually no such thing as a series dying really, we have the games,
it's a question of is a sequel necessary, and if so, what does it entail, when is it made, under what conditions is it greenlit, but it makes no sense to describe a series as dead just because it's currently out of production lol

draw your own conclusions when I say I think it does make sense to ask whether a sequel is a valid sequel or not though, lol
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Mediczero
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posted October 08, 2015 05:04 PM

verriker said:
Mediczero said:
Unless the series dies, then there is still hope... Though, what is it you would like..?


there's actually no such thing as a series dying really, we have the games,
it's a question of is a sequel necessary, and if so, what does it entail, when is it made, under what conditions is it greenlit, but it makes no sense to describe a series as dead just because it's currently out of production lol

draw your own conclusions when I say I think it does make sense to ask whether a sequel is a valid sequel or not though, lol


I know it's a matter of perspective, but as I see it a series is dead if it's out of production and there is no hope for any sort of sequal in the appearent future. The past games are in the past (still good games though). However that doesn't mean there is no hope for it to be reviewed.
But anyway, this tread wasn't created to discuss the future of the series.

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Laser70
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posted October 08, 2015 06:40 PM
Edited by Laser70 at 20:54, 08 Oct 2015.

Mediczero said:
Laser70 said:
I just wish the latest heroes series would be a bit more like the older Heroes.

Unless the series dies, then there is still hope... Though, what is it you would like..?


Personally I want to see a modernized version of Heroes 2 and as a Dungeon player I want the hydra back to my dungeon city, it is currently being held captive by fortress (Heroes 3)

What I want is the nice environment from Heroes II, the feeling it doesn't fail to bring every time you play it, I can't describe all of that, but there are some things that Heroes III does better, I want them to pluck the good parts from Heroes III and put them in a modernized Heroes II.

I can give a very simple example, a random one:

The Crusader from Heroes II is way cooler than the "clown" it look like in Heroes III. It moves and acts like a clown and doesn't have personality. In Heroes II the Crusader was the coolest acting and coolest looking unit (among many other coolest looking units)

I guess I want to see a breed of both HII and HIII.

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Mediczero
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posted October 09, 2015 08:21 AM

Laser70 said:
Personally I want to see a modernized version of Heroes 2 and as a Dungeon player I want the hydra back to my dungeon city, it is currently being held captive by fortress (Heroes 3)

What I want is the nice environment from Heroes II, the feeling it doesn't fail to bring every time you play it, I can't describe all of that, but there are some things that Heroes III does better, I want them to pluck the good parts from Heroes III and put them in a modernized Heroes II.

I can give a very simple example, a random one:

The Crusader from Heroes II is way cooler than the "clown" it look like in Heroes III. It moves and acts like a clown and doesn't have personality. In Heroes II the Crusader was the coolest acting and coolest looking unit (among many other coolest looking units)

I guess I want to see a breed of both HII and HIII.

Interesting...
Sadly I have never played HII before. Would love to, seems like a great game with a lovely artsyle.
But I think I get the idea. However I do believe some of the newer games also has aspects that can be added, in anycase new faction (like Sanctuary ), but caravans and forts could also work well...
Also, while the hydra fit's the swamp faction (fortress fit's dwarves better) well, it can be replaced with the likes of a quetzacoalt or a spinosaur if you doesn't mind the use of such creatures...

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Laser70
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posted October 09, 2015 08:06 PM
Edited by Laser70 at 20:22, 09 Oct 2015.

Mediczero said:
Laser70 said:
Personally I want to see a modernized version of Heroes 2 and as a Dungeon player I want the hydra back to my dungeon city, it is currently being held captive by fortress (Heroes 3)

What I want is the nice environment from Heroes II, the feeling it doesn't fail to bring every time you play it, I can't describe all of that, but there are some things that Heroes III does better, I want them to pluck the good parts from Heroes III and put them in a modernized Heroes II.

I can give a very simple example, a random one:

The Crusader from Heroes II is way cooler than the "clown" it look like in Heroes III. It moves and acts like a clown and doesn't have personality. In Heroes II the Crusader was the coolest acting and coolest looking unit (among many other coolest looking units)

I guess I want to see a breed of both HII and HIII.

Interesting...
Sadly I have never played HII before. Would love to, seems like a great game with a lovely artsyle.
But I think I get the idea. However I do believe some of the newer games also has aspects that can be added, in anycase new faction (like Sanctuary ), but caravans and forts could also work well...
Also, while the hydra fit's the swamp faction (fortress fit's dwarves better) well, it can be replaced with the likes of a quetzacoalt or a spinosaur if you doesn't mind the use of such creatures...


The graphics in H II is very old but the feeling it brings, the childish colors, the sound effects makes it fun and enjoyable, but it has its limits, there comes a time (pretty quickly actually) when you need to switch to Heroes III. But I find myself go back quite often.

H II is the only game in the series where I actually enjoy playing with Monks, dwarfes and the firebird thing (I don't recall the faction, sorcerers or something). In Heroes 2, that faction is so incredibly fun to play with. I usually never play that faction otherwise.

I'm trying to identify why the gaming world has abandoned this old type of gameplay, whether they have just forgotten how fun it is or if they just moved on for some reason, because they have obviously forgotten about a "gem". Heroes II is a forgotten gem in the series.

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posted October 09, 2015 08:16 PM

Laser70 said:

Personally I want to see a modernized version of Heroes 2 ...

I guess I want to see a breed of both HII and HIII.


That would feel appealing to me as well, almost as if it was a  remake of an old game I used to like.

H2 I used to enjoy given it was not that occupied trying to balance all factions. The example of Paladins and Crusaders reminds me that it was nice playing with them because they were weak and they were humans. There were not this angelical tosh just yet. Still, they could be powerful when they had a powerful hero leading them. Each faction felt much more unique, not forced upgrades just for the sake of having them. The game felt much alive too, and you couldn't care less to lore whilst having fun with it. Given that I'm not a Multiplayer guy, I felt like Multiplayer feature killed part of the fun for me, because it was when there was this need of making balancing much more evident.
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posted October 09, 2015 09:02 PM
Edited by Laser70 at 21:05, 09 Oct 2015.

Quite honestly, if you want my opinion, it would probably be better if the heroes community set to create a game like that themselves. Waiting and hoping is something I've learned not to do anymore. But i'm not desperate, I'm still capable of enjoying Heroes 2 in reduced doses.

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posted October 09, 2015 09:08 PM

The problem is there is no need for a new game if that is what we want. H2 is my favorite of the franchise, but if I want to play it a remake is the last thing I am going to play. Instead I am going to play the original in a XP virtual machine. As long as all we want is the old we don't need a sequel after all the old games are still there.
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Laser70
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posted October 09, 2015 09:52 PM

I didn't know people still held H II as the primary favorite, nice to know it still have spirit in the community, because it's high on my rank too. Actually going to re-install it today.

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Mediczero
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posted October 10, 2015 11:56 AM

Damn-it guys, you makes me want to play HII... Any ideas where I can get it cheaply..?

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