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posted September 17, 2015 08:48 AM |
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EU's refugee crisis
First of all, there are around 2 million refugees, mainly from Syria, in Turkey as per the official reports which is an enormous quantity compared to the amount of refugees or emigrants (depending on the point of view) in any of the EU countries currently. The stream toward the EU and particularly Germany tends to get bigger but even before the first million was reached, the so-called "united Europe" has already failed to show any sort of unity and the national governments of some members - including Germany - preferred to deal with the issue on national level. On the background there is the usual bureaucratic chaos and slogans with little real substance behind them.
As far as I'm concerned this is the second recent case (after Ukraine) when the EU is in a complete disarray, unable to trigger within its own structures anything even remotely effective internally and externally. This time however there is nobody to negotiate with and threat with sanctions, the problem is 100% internal (of course I'm not talking about the reasons why are there refugees in the first place where some EU countries, or rather NATO countries from the EU, have *****s on their pants just like the oversea "friend" who ****ed up the entire Middle East). Sovereignty of individual states within the union has never been so emphasized to such an extent before, even though it is not theoretically at odds with the concept of the EU. It looks like that whatever the outcome of this crisis is, there is no chance the EU to remain the same. If it survives.
Anyway, there's much to discuss here. Thoughts?
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posted September 17, 2015 09:37 AM |
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The birth of a federal border guard and possibly a joint military force as well, borders will be shut to these people and kept under watch.
Well, that's what will happen eventually, it takes time because...you know 
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posted September 17, 2015 10:53 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Anyway, there's much to discuss here.
There's not that much to discuss actually. This things happened before and it's only natural they get prioritized at a national level. EU up, EU down, nothing's ever gonna be the same again.. okay, lol. Quite melodramatic OP.
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Zenofex
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posted September 17, 2015 11:01 AM |
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Yeah, I'm trying to reach for the heart of the community and soften it up a bit so they can show some sympathy for the eurodrama. Problem?
When has something of that magnitude happened before anyway? In EU's history that is.
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EnergyZ
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posted September 17, 2015 11:03 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Yeah, I'm trying to reach for the heart of the community and soften it up a bit so they can show some sympathy for the eurodrama. Problem?
When has something of that magnitude happened before anyway? In EU's history that is.
World War II?
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Zenofex
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posted September 17, 2015 11:04 AM |
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Read the question again and give it another try. 
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Stevie
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posted September 17, 2015 11:42 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Yeah, I'm trying to reach for the heart of the community and soften it up a bit so they can show some sympathy for the eurodrama. Problem?
Oh, no problem whatsoever, all fine by me. Pardon me for assuming you wanted to come across as serious on the issue.
Zenofex said:
When has something of that magnitude happened before anyway? In EU's history that is.
What relevance does EU's history specifically have here when the states composing it come with a historical baggage of WW1 and WW2 just for starters? None.
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Zenofex
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posted September 17, 2015 11:56 AM |
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What relevance? The topic is about the EU, for example. Seriously, if you have nothing to say, just say nothing.
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posted September 17, 2015 12:13 PM |
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Refugees are in difficult situation...they should have right to stay if they are not criminals or homosexualists as long as there is no peace and prosperity in countries of origin. Especially children... Immigrants should never have possibility to get citizenship. They should work. No work and perspectives in Poland ever for Poles. So they escape to Germany even if accommodation were given. Many countries want bomb Syria. Not many sending troops there...Maybe that is what it was made for...deliberate war caused by military industry and other factors...spend a lot of money for warfare equipment on our expense...give red-tape immigrants to take care...take our attention from other important problems to that war...
Troops sent to Afghanistan and Iraq didn't give those country prosperity. They should be glad because of fake elections were done and some humanitarian help were delivered instead of creation of sound economy and eradication of criminality...
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posted September 17, 2015 12:21 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Zenofex said:
Yeah, I'm trying to reach for the heart of the community and soften it up a bit so they can show some sympathy for the eurodrama. Problem?
When has something of that magnitude happened before anyway? In EU's history that is.
World War II?
The EU is -ideally- about to unite Europe as the very name itself suggests, where as WW 1 and 2 is about European powers at each other's throat to get on top.
With his question and his original post, Zenofex presents the problem as a lack of union policies and solidarity anyway. So, it's quite pointless to compare times when there was no motivation, plan or even the ideal to bring together Europe as a single, solid political agent.
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posted September 17, 2015 12:55 PM |
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Zenofex said:
What relevance? The topic is about the EU, for example. Seriously, if you have nothing to say, just say nothing.
Then I'll leave you to your own devices as you seem so hellbent on the be-all and end-all presence of the EU on this issue.
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posted September 17, 2015 12:56 PM |
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phe said:
Refugees are in difficult situation...they should have right to stay if they are not criminals or homosexualists as long as there is no peace and prosperity in countries of origin.
What do you have against homosexuals? I would say gay immigrants are even better, as they are far less likely to have children. Therefore you won't have the problem with immigrant children who grew up in your country when you want to send them back again.
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posted September 17, 2015 01:01 PM |
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Despite the conflict, these are still economically driven refugees... many are males... and cowards in my eyes. Ive got uncles with war traumas bcause they stayed to protect Bosnia in the 90s, but they stayed and their devotion helped keep territory for the Bosniaks. These Syrians couldve joined with the Kurdish forces in the north, but now theyll add to the already significant amount of pussies in western european countries. Then there's the threat of terrorists coming along. World War 3 is being set up by the world's elite here, just like they set the Balkan wars up, since Yugoslavia's socialist regime wasnt failing, like the Eastern Block, Warszaw Pact countries failed after the fall of the Berlin wall. This ofcourse was a thorn in the side of the powers that be, who wanted to show the world that Capitalism (greed) was superior to Socialism.
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posted September 17, 2015 02:36 PM |
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my solidarity goes to the Hungarian border patrol lads. I salute you.
These aren't war refugees, they're economic migrants. Their behaviour says it all.
With all that food wasted for them, the red cross should've fed the homeless, the elderly and the single moms with 2+ kids.
But hey, you're all welcom in Lithuania.
each refugee will get 600 euro. meanwhile the minimum monthly wage is 300 euro, elderly pensions are 250 at the very best, average monthly salary ir 554 euro.
Bleep the locals who are living in poverty, let's help those "muslims".
The only Muslim I tolerate in Lithuania is the Tatar minority. They're good people. also the lebanese medical students aren't that bad either.
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posted September 17, 2015 02:48 PM |
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@Kip
Same here. People were a majority against this heavy sudden immigration bull, but then media used that famous pic of the dead kid to force discussion jump to emotional levels, label everyone against as fascist and inhuman, then shackle any attempt to argue calmly about.
Then now they talk about initiate financial penalties against east EU countries which do not share our "generosity". Europe.
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posted September 17, 2015 02:53 PM |
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I say let them come. If we can't successfully integrate these people into our societies effectively we have failed as nations.
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EnergyZ
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posted September 17, 2015 02:55 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
I say let them come. If we can't successfully integrate these people into our societies effectively we have failed as nations.
It is possible that some of them are extremists. Simply put, if they don't meet expectations, they may start blowing things up.
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kipshasz
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posted September 17, 2015 02:57 PM |
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I was never moved by the pic of that drowned kid. It felt fake. And it is. as the kid was found on another place, and just moved to make the photo.
Also, I'm not entirely sure, but I really don't think that drowned bodies wash up in a pose like that.
There are some of course, who think that this immigrant crisis is orchestrated by none other, but the Czar of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
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Salamandre
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posted September 17, 2015 02:59 PM |
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Kiryu, our EU nations have a great history behind, their greatness does not depend on their capacity to integrate billions of muslims, which for the most, are intolerant, homophobes and extremely resistant to any other values different from theirs, just to let you know whats about as you seem to deliberately ignore this aspect.
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kiryu133
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posted September 17, 2015 03:02 PM |
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kipshasz said:
I was never moved by the pic of that drowned kid. It felt fake. And it is. as the kid was found on another place, and just moved to make the photo.
That was found to be made up in order to put dirt on that side.
kipshasz said:
There are some of course, who think that this immigrant crisis is orchestrated by none other, but the Czar of Russia, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
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EnergyZ said:
It is possible that some of them are extremists. Simply put, if they don't meet expectations, they may start blowing things up.
truly there is no easy answer to this. Check-ups and snow is too extreme. But clearly we need some sort of control over this. That said, there are extremists everywhere. Remember Breivik? They're not exclusively immigrants/muslims.
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