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fred79
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posted October 02, 2015 12:55 AM |
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Kayna said:
fred79 said:
@ kayna: you're hilarious, man. i'll have to keep that in mind in future discussions you're involved in. 
I just said "Americans are terrorists" just like many toss that "Muslims are terrorist" carelessly. Yes, don't take it seriously and laugh a bit 
actually kayna, i did take you seriously; because you didn't make it overly obvious that you were kidding. hence the heavy sarcasm in my post.
if you're making a joke, you should make it obvious. some people actually believe muslims are what's wrong with the world, and some people actually believe americans are all lard-ass douchebags who don't care about anyone except themselves. if you don't make it clear that you are joking, then people will take you seriously, and be offended.
not that being offended is really a big deal, given the seriousness of the topic at hand, though. i think the topic should definitely be taken more seriously, and more people should put thought into what they have to say about it. because the outcome of this migration could very well mean a drastic change in many countrys' social climate.
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artu
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posted October 02, 2015 06:15 AM |
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elodin said:
Jihadists commit acts of terror because they think it brings Allah joy and that he will reward them with lots of virgins in the afterlife.
No, once there is a war to recruit jihadists, that is a motivational factor, a straight-forward propaganda to enlist poorly educated people from zones of poverty or culture-shocked immigrants who react by demonizing the West etc. The ideological propaganda doesn't determine the causes, they don't act because of it, they act easier with it. (Just like it doesn't matter how many American troops from some smallville naively believe that they are fighting in the Middle East to bring democracy to the World and free the Iraqi people, has nothing to do with their actual reasons being there.)
In 1940's Indonesia or 1740's Istanbul or 1880's Egypt, Muslims weren't attacking Non-muslims, so that it shall bring joy to Allah and provide them with virgins. They had the same Quran and hadiths though. You can not analyze the jihadists correctly, if you ignore the political/economical side of this conflict. Religious fanaticism is there, yes, but it is not boiling up in an isolated environment where you can happily continue with your life had you not been a religious fanatic.
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blizzardboy
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posted October 03, 2015 05:37 AM |
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Yeah, that statement is a little bit embarrassing to read. Middle Eastern terrorism, as we currently know it, is more-or-less a product of post-WW1/WW2, and the ongoing conflict ever since then. It's not like there were Muslim terrorists slipping passage to the United States & Britain in the 19th century to suicidally blow up marketplaces because of democratic laws and to bribe God for their complimentary otherworldly harem. You need some sort of catalyst in order to excite radicalism within a community of people.
Of course, the Islamic state itself back then was highly imperialistic for many centuries, but it's not as though that's unique to the Middle East.
The power vacuum at the moment is gaping pretty wide: I'm not sure if we've ever seen something like IS since the Middle East was first colonized. If it gets further out of control, I'm beginning to wonder if the West won't eventually start to begrudgingly work with Assad and other governments, despite their deep differences, in order to do something about it. Similar to how the Allies begrudgingly cooperated with the USSR.
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posted October 03, 2015 05:57 AM |
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http://news.yahoo.com/german-far-mobilising-against-migrants-spy-chief-145317205.html
Berlin (AFP) - Germany's domestic intelligence chief warned Sunday of a radicalisation of right-wing groups amid a record influx of migrants, as xenophobic rallies and clashes shook several towns at the weekend.
President Joachim Gauck meanwhile warned of Germany's "finite capacity" to absorb refugees, cautioning against more "tensions between newcomers and established residents".
Domestic spy chief Hans-Georg Maassen said that "what we're seeing in connection with the refugee crisis is a mobilisation on the street of right-wing extremists, but also of some left-wing extremists" who oppose them.
He added, speaking on Deutschlandfunk public radio, that for the past few years his service had witnessed a "radicalisation" and "a greater willingness to use violence" by all extremist groups, including the far right, the anti-fascist far-left and Islamists. >
"Spy Chief Hans-Georg Maassen"
p.s. I want that name.
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blizzardboy
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posted October 04, 2015 05:04 AM |
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Threadtality.
blizzardboy wins.
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Hadji020
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posted October 05, 2015 01:59 AM |
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World War 3 is in the making, peeps... as foretold by Albert Pike.
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Kayna
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posted October 05, 2015 02:34 AM |
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Hadji020 said:
World War 3 is in the making, peeps... as foretold by Albert Pike.
Interesting guy. Didn't know who he was. His predictions are a tad too religious oriented, but I must say his third world war with zionists and muslims killing each other is spot on!
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posted October 05, 2015 05:14 PM |
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Kayna said:
Hadji020 said:
World War 3 is in the making, peeps... as foretold by Albert Pike.
Interesting guy. Didn't know who he was. His predictions are a tad too religious oriented, but I must say his third world war with zionists and muslims killing each other is spot on!
Oh you should check out Morals and Dogma, then you'll see what our world's elite is into.
https://www.google.nl/#q=%22Morals+and+dogma%22+lucifer
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Salamandre
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posted October 15, 2015 10:47 AM |
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posted October 15, 2015 03:27 PM |
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If anyone's interested, EU's current agenda on this ( among other things.
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Kayna
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posted October 15, 2015 03:43 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Pat Condell on this.
That guy's a bit too hateful though lul.
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Salamandre
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posted October 15, 2015 06:27 PM |
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artu
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posted October 15, 2015 07:21 PM |
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Well, you can say that when they hear about a rape, conservative muslims are more likely to think like "she had it coming" if the rape victim is dressed in a mini skirt or walking alone at night etc, but claiming "they are rapers because it's a cultural thing" is taking it a little bit too far. If you dont have some psychological disorder, you wont enjoy rape, no matter what your culture is. Thu cultural factors can only loosen your actions if you already have non-cultural issues.
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Salamandre
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posted October 15, 2015 08:16 PM |
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Yeah sure.
So the fact that in Sweden (highest rape rate in the world) there are 5% muslims while rape perpetrators are 77% muslims (check links) is surely not a culture problem but a psychological dysfunction. Well, it looks like that some cultures are more fragile to such dysfunctions, let's play semantics now.
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Kayna
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posted October 15, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Salamandre said:
What exactly you find hateful in his comments?
Honestly, I won't even bother checking out most of his videos to answer your question properly lul. I've seen a few of his videos, and what seems to be hateful about him is how often he brings up the Muslim subject and also his looks, his eyes, the air about him. He may or may not be speaking the truth about things, that judgment I defer to you.
He just might be a good candidate to become a sith lord! Look at Darth Sidious, he's quite the bad ass even though he doesn't look like much!
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posted October 15, 2015 08:47 PM |
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artu
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posted October 15, 2015 09:14 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Yeah sure.
So the fact that in Sweden (highest rape rate in the world) there are 5% muslims while rape perpetrators are 77% muslims (check links) is surely not a culture problem but a psychological dysfunction. Well, it looks like that some cultures are more fragile to such dysfunctions, let's play semantics now.
I will check this out again but I remember it came up in the past. Rape in Sweden is an interesting issue, there are many articles and blogs specifically about it, their statistics are very high (Some write that's because their law has a very broad definition of rape compared to other countries, I haven't looked into what that definition is.)
Anyway, some muslim from some small village coming to the big city, seeing pretty girls who are not wearing a headscarff, who freely talk with men smiling etc, starts thinking "well, girls are easy here" but eventually keeps getting rejected because he's... some villager who knows nothing about flirting and he's not exactly what you would call "a great catch." Then he gets frustrated, feels impotent and rapes a girl. (In many cases, rape is not about sexual hunger but a twisted, pathological form of trying to prove your manhood and authority desperately.) Yes, we have very similar cases here but it's not -at lest directly and completely- about what you would identify as Islamic culture. Islamic culture is a factor with it's "if women don't cover themselves, they will provoke men" mentality, I am not objecting to that at all. But take a young immigrant Muslim, who's a med student in a Western university and quite popular among girls etc, in that case, his culture would not lead him towards rape, Islamic roots is not the main issue here.
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Salamandre
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posted October 15, 2015 11:07 PM |
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posted October 15, 2015 11:49 PM |
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artu said:
Islamic culture is a factor with it's "if women don't cover themselves, they will provoke men" mentality, I am not objecting to that at all... Islamic roots is not the main issue here.
No, Islamic culture is the main issue. If guy is as brown as a mahogany table but thinks women should free the nipple I'm with him.
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artu
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posted October 16, 2015 02:43 AM |
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bloodsucker said:
artu said:
Islamic culture is a factor with it's "if women don't cover themselves, they will provoke men" mentality, I am not objecting to that at all... Islamic roots is not the main issue here.
No, Islamic culture is the main issue. If guy is as brown as a mahogany table but thinks women should free the nipple I'm with him.
Let me put it this way, if you go by the books, Islam is the darkest among Abrahamic religions when it comes to women and their sexuality but the other ones aren't exactly feminist manifestos either. The thing is, industrial urbanization and women taking their economical freedom, modern developments like birth control, condoms and a lot of other things I'll skip at the moment for sake of simplicity, caused drastic change in Western societies, so they had gradually left their traditions and norms about how a pious woman should always protect herself and if she acts suggestive, then a man will surely have his way with her. This didn't happen overnight, if you examine popular books, films, news papers etc even from the 1950's, and I'm not talking about ones from Islamic countries, you will notice that the idea of a woman who doesn't guard herself properly, means de facto, her asking to be sexually harassed, was a norm.
Most Muslims who immigrate to Europe come from parts of the world where that social change did not occur, at least not as significantly as in the West. So, they read their feudal book literally and form their cultural codes as a Christian from 12th century would. Now, these people wont need centuries to transform, a few generations will certainly do. (Sal is right about one thing, you need a controlled flow for that to happen, not hordes coming every year and creating their Sharia ghettos.) Yet, when you have people such as the one in the video saying things like "rape is their culture" as if European culture was a haven for women from the beginning, it will only result in more hostility, the immigrants will then picture themselves as people who wont be treated with respect no matter what they do, since they are categorically classified as rapists anyway.
The important thing to distinguish here is this, Islam, verses of Quran that is misogynistic should be criticised ruthlessly, immigrants who rape a woman should be punished without any multi-cultural "matter in mitigation" BS. But an attitude such as "this is your religion, so, your culture will always be this" should be avoided. Quran is a book that asks to be taken literally but the force of social transformation does not listen to any book or theological dispute, people's norms evolve even if they don't deliberately want them to. No religion can stand against that, they are simply not that strong.
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