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Tsar-Ivor
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posted November 14, 2015 03:05 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
They must have thousands of AK-47s stockpiled in an abandoned Doritos factory somewhere if they're selling for 300 dollars.
Ak-47 is a misleading name, every variant that looks and functions pretty much as good ol' Ak has a different name, and by logic price as well.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 14, 2015 03:12 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
Drakon-Deus said:
Anyways, anti-terrorism should mean defense, and not more senseless offense.
Hahaha, yeah, do remember those wily politicians count deterrence as "defense", also a pre-emptive strike is also ironically "defensive".
What I meant, defend our homeland with military forces, not destroy other land. Meh face. Offense works better in Civ 
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posted November 14, 2015 03:30 PM |
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Salamandre said:
You are not inventing the wheel. This issue has been already discussed here. But the fact is also that not everyone agrees or supported european interference in Iraq, Syria or backing Israel. And if it is still discussed into refugees thread, is precisely because, at the root of all, it is about two incompatible cultures. Less they interfere, better things will go.
These deaths in France are getting more attention than those millions I mentioned.. nobody can deny it. Not everybody agrees, but everybody is paying the taxes which are used in these conflicts. A protest and they can sleep. If they were half as outraged about paying taxes that get people killed as they are about these attacks, i cant help but feel things would be a lot different.
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posted November 14, 2015 03:59 PM |
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artu said:
you will kill 1000, 2000 will rush in to join "the cause" willingly.
Yeah. A half assed intervention with a few air strikes here and there is the worse way to go. I think we should all make peace with them or go all out.
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markkur
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posted November 14, 2015 04:46 PM |
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I remember a female refugee saying "she wanted security but since her family had none at home she had to flee." I'm sharing nothing earth-shattering, but that's the deal. People cannot live normally when militants dictate life. i.e. "If you don't support us, you are against us." This discussion is all about Control. And all nations talk about is protection at home or bombing.
Idk what the answer is in the M.E. but it seems the "rest of the WORLD" (not just the USA or one or two other reluctant nations) needs to band together and stabilize the entire region. The approach of dealing with one nation only to have another receive the radicals is stopping nothing in the long run.
I have to wonder. Many here might not like this but since selling-arms is big-business it seems to me the West doesn't really want world-wide peace anyway. Think about this; considering no developed nation around the world has an economy (jobs) that could easily absorb their standing army, I wonder if there will ever be peace and a time when all current defense budgets are re-directed to the benefit of the people.
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Elodin
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posted November 14, 2015 05:42 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 17:44, 14 Nov 2015.
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It has been reported that the passport found on one of the suicide bombers identifies him as one of the "refugees" that recently came to France and all terrorists who died are believed to have come from Syria. In taking in the refugees France has sentenced some of it's own people to death as I predicted near the beginning of this thread. Obama has done the same for the US as the first is the "refugees" the US is accepting have arrived in New Orleans.
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Stevie
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posted November 14, 2015 05:59 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:00, 14 Nov 2015.
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You predicted nothing different from what a lot of people here have been saying all along. The terrorist threat was crystal clear from the very beginning. If there were any disregarding it as a real issue then it must've been those social justice idiots living in their own little idealistic fantasy worlds.
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Kayna
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posted November 14, 2015 06:02 PM |
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Fun fact : Aljazeera didn't cover France's attack at all. Not even a 2 minute video. >.>
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 14, 2015 06:39 PM |
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Kayna said:
artu said:
you will kill 1000, 2000 will rush in to join "the cause" willingly.
Yeah. A half assed intervention with a few air strikes here and there is the worse way to go. I think we should all make peace with them or go all out.
And I think that counter-offensive only means more war. Either defense or peace. And I mean real defense and real peace.
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Kayna
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posted November 14, 2015 06:53 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 18:59, 14 Nov 2015.
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Drakon-Deus said:
And I think that counter-offensive only means more war. Either defense or peace. And I mean real defense and real peace.
Going all out means more than a counter offensive. It would also be closing all borders and allowing no Muslim in under any circumstance, rather than participating in Syria's war while making their citizens believe that everything is fine. If France was targeted, it's not because they're the biggest player around, but rather because they were easy targets.
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artu
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posted November 14, 2015 07:17 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:19, 14 Nov 2015.
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Elodin said:
It has been reported that the passport found on one of the suicide bombers identifies him as one of the "refugees" that recently came to France and all terrorists who died are believed to have come from Syria. In taking in the refugees France has sentenced some of it's own people to death as I predicted near the beginning of this thread. Obama has done the same for the US as the first is the "refugees" the US is accepting have arrived in New Orleans.
Yes, and this type of attack organized by secret cells happened before again and again in New York, London, Istanbul, Madrid, Lebanon, Ankara... Almost all of these were before the refugee crisis and it's not like the refugee situation enables them to attack by itself. The refugees, accumulating in numbers, do not form brigades and go into trench war right in the middle of Paris. It took ISIS only 8 people to execute such an attack and they can sneak in that amount of people to anywhere, anytime with or without the refugees. If anything, they probably prefer the polarization escalating and it might be the very reason they pulled this one off, to put the refugees on the run even in a worse situation and to mold a West that is more biased against any Muslim, it would perfectly fit their agenda.
I can relate to people who are cautious about the refugees because of problems concerning assimilation or economy when so many enters at once, I also think it's needless to mention that security measures about who is entering and not should be tighter than usual in such a situation. But the methods of ISIS or El Kaide do not directly overlap with the existence of refugees. This is not something new, caused by them. Why are you not so action-friendly when it comes to the real juice, Saudi Arabia Wahabisim who finances those cells in the first place? The way to prevent such attacks is not throwing out millions because of 8 terrorists, that 8 can be recruited with or without them, it's not that easy. A LOT should change in the Middle-East and only actual social change can end this for good. For that actual change, reform from their side is naturally a responsibility and there's not much reason to be optimistic about it, but the neo-liberal politics should also change. If religious and ethnic conflict is provoked whenever it suits some "higher" interests, in today's world, it won't remain a local issue.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 14, 2015 07:31 PM |
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Kayna said:
If France was targeted, it's not because they're the biggest player around, but rather because they were easy targets.
Kinda.
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GunFred
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posted November 14, 2015 11:02 PM |
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Such terrible news to be greeted by in the morning and my condolences to the french people which should not have to endure this again. It is easier to sympathize when it hits closer to home like Norway and France rather than some less reputable far away nation which experiences this terror every day.
Would not this be a good time for the UN to get more involved in Syria? The UN has taken sides in wars before right and I can't imagine anyone standing up in front of the world and say "let's not destroy IS".
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blizzardboy
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posted November 15, 2015 03:41 AM |
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I suppose in this sausage-fest forum of callous adult males it's easy to skip the part where you offer condolences, but I too extend my sympathies for those people here who might be affected by this on a far more personal level than I am. It's very sad to see such a beautiful city being marred by this kind of hatred and violence. I hope its people and especially its leaders are strong & diligent in the face of this crisis, and that they make the wisest decisions possible for its welfare.
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fred79
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posted November 15, 2015 04:00 AM |
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artu said:
Fair point, in a way. Although, I'm informed that it's quite easy to get your hands on AK-47's or explosives in Europe these days, if you have the right underground connections. After the Yugoslavian conflict ended, all that weapon and armory ended up in the hands of Balkan mafias and now, an AK-47 is sold for like 300 dollars in the black market.
this was something i wondered as well. if it was syrian refugees who committed the acts, i was wondering if they had actually snuck in disassembled ak's. but the ak barrels, even if they were fully detached from the receivers(which i don't think they are, but i could be wrong), would still be too long to hide inside backpacks, unless they were using compact versions. in which case, they could quite easily be hidden in backpacks, along with mags, ammo, and whatever else.
but this isn't factoring in the black market in europe, which i have no knowledge of whatsoever. unless you're talking about hard drugs that middle-eastern kids peddle in amsterdam for tourists.
300 dollars is a hell of a deal, as things are usually pricier on the street(illegally purchased, i mean. here in the states, ak's and their variants are going for anywhere between 500-700 dollars apiece, and have been for nearly a year. and these being sold, are only single-fire, and not the full-auto jobs that are usual in the rest of the world). that would suggest that they have stockpiles of them, or proper financing, or that they are just selling at that price for ideological reasons.
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Kayna
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posted November 15, 2015 07:38 AM |
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Some reports indicate they used the Playstation 4 as a way to communicate. Picture them meeting in a shooting game like call of duty and writing messages to each other using a disappearing spray of bullets on a wall. No amount of internet spying will find that.
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Herry
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posted November 15, 2015 08:11 AM |
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"The first casualty of war is truth."
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Zenofex
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posted November 15, 2015 08:19 AM |
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artu said:
Why are you not so action-friendly when it comes to the real juice, Saudi Arabia Wahabisim who finances those cells in the first place?
Indeed. The Saudi king could book a Riviera beach for himself and his entourage and the French government was fairly hospitable. The same person indirectly patronages acts of terror and directly supports the spread of ultra-conservative Islam but suddenly everybody forgets about that, including the French. To be frank, many people in the West - not only in France - have to ask their own governments quite a few inconvenient questions and root out the guilty from their own houses before screaming for righteous "war on terror". The policy which breeds jihadists dilberately or not is a far greater problem than the jihadists themselves.
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Herry
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posted November 15, 2015 08:33 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 17:35, 15 Nov 2015.
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Mod edit: Image removed, violated code of conduct.
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Salamandre
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posted November 15, 2015 08:57 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 17:35, 15 Nov 2015.
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Oh please. And the pure hazard makes that the ******** are always muslims.
The leader of ISIS has a doctor diploma delivered by Islamic Theology University from Baghdad. If the muslims living in west are indeed, for the major part, moderate, is because we don't let them snow around. It suffice to look at any muslim based country to see how moderate they are indeed.
A radical is only an impatient muslim.
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