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Herry
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posted November 15, 2015 09:14 AM


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posted November 15, 2015 09:30 AM
Edited by fred79 at 09:33, 15 Nov 2015.

Herry said:



because that's the way that the mostly non-muslim media wants it. i would have thought that would be obvious by now. take some time to consider your sources, when listening to media or politicians. they all have agenda's; keep that in mind.

they're just trying to divide the people, and as artu posted, that plays into the terrorist's hands. that plays into the government's hands, too; because, as stevie posted, rampant terrorism will allow the government to tighten their grip on the populace, by using their fear against them, and using threats to general public safety to enforce stricter measures on the population, by whatever means the public will allow.

it'll all happen eventually(both the tighter grip on the populace by the governments of the world, and the rampant terrorism ever increasing). most people are too stupid and weak to think for themselves, or to even protect themselves from those who would harm them, be it government, terrorism, or otherwise.

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posted November 15, 2015 09:30 AM

Dude, to deny the existence of moderate Muslims is, beyond any reasonable doubt, an anti-Muslim prejudice. Not only that, but it’s most certainly destructive to any efforts to counter Islamic extremism. However, the majority of the Muslim world is not under the influence of a moderate version of Islam but rather a very extreme, violent one. Also, advocates of reform in the Muslim world are as marginalized and persecuted as any other non-Muslim minority and many parts of the Muslim world are extremely intolerant towards reform and criticism.

Those parts of the world are the recipient from where OUR immigration is triggered. There is no argument in the world which could help me to acknowledge why, a Muslim living in a sharia and jihad environment, convinced in his deepest soul that this is the way, would suddenly forget that, change his approach to all life question, and become a sheep just because he must live now a few thousand kilometers at left of right side. Certainly probably for those born or having already several former generations in the west, but with a such big and constant yearly immigration, it will not make it. We have ALL the proofs there.

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Zenofex
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posted November 15, 2015 09:54 AM

A bit of on-topic - Poland semi-officially announced that it won't accept more refugees, real or fictitious. The Eastern European members are likely to make similar announcements shortly, I don't really see how the Western part of the EU will manage to maintain any pro-refugee policy from now on, even if it wants it (and it doesn't, for the most part). It will get even more interesting in Germany where after the series of major government gaffes they want to return some of the refugees to the country of entrance in the EU - most often that is Greece.

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posted November 15, 2015 10:06 AM

Now that we've accepted millions of "refugees" in Europe, what could possibly go wrong when trying to get rid of them?
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posted November 15, 2015 10:20 AM
Edited by Pawek_13 at 10:34, 15 Nov 2015.

@Zenofex: Where did you get that piece of information? The onpy thing that I could find that was remotely related to what you wrote is an opinion made by soon-to-be (we had parliamental elections last month) minister of foreign affairs, who said that our country wouldn't accept any refugee that may have some kind of criminal background (yeah, they are difinitely able to check that. )

PS. Two additional piecies of information:
1. Soon-to-be government opposed any intake of refugees into Poland.
2. First refugees that are supposed to be in Poland will come to us in March 2016.

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Zenofex
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posted November 15, 2015 10:32 AM

For instance. Might be just political talking to gain support in advance but I don't see your new government crew having issues implementing that.

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posted November 15, 2015 12:12 PM

They can't deny refugees, that violates international law and EU court would fine Poland for it.
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Salamandre
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posted November 15, 2015 12:21 PM

Like it fines Israel for illegally occupying lands?

International laws must be changed and adapted to present times. We are facing a new and unprecedented situation, with possible dramatic outcomes.

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Pawek_13
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posted November 15, 2015 01:16 PM

Zenofex said:
For instance. Might be just political talking to gain support in advance but I don't see your new government crew having issues implementing that.

Wpolityce.pl is one of the most rightist websites in Poland. Rightist media in general are now extatic because of Law & Justice's victory and believe that after 8 years of Poland's degeneration because of Civic Platforms's rule our state will be restored because of new governement and president, both originating from Law & Justice.

However, their position in EU is quite weak compared to Civic Platform's, as their mildly anti-European policy is not popular in France and Germany, the statest that are mostly in charge of EU.  Unless this duo decides to not allow asylum seekers in, LaJ voice may play little to no role in changing quotas for Poland. Besides, Donald Tusk, President of the European Council, origins from Civic Platform, that has been constantly quarelling with LaJ for over 10 years, what dwarves their position even more. Additionally, most of LaJ politicians are, delicately speaking, foul-mouthed and this strait is seen very badly in diplomatic circles.

The last factor that plays a role in this iswue is Polish hierarchy of laws. On first place we have constitution, then we have laws established by EU and only on third place we have acts accepted by Polish Parliament and President. Because accepting refugees is not against Constitution, hence LaJ can'tdo much about it.

Overall, this statement is just muscle flexing to pander to rightist media's and their voters standpoint. As long as before mentioned duo and states like Greece and Italy don't change their decision, they may just talk about not accepting asylum seekers to Poland and still be obligated to do so.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 15, 2015 02:19 PM

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!


Refugees welcome to france or germany or where they want. Extremists not welcome.

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artu
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posted November 15, 2015 02:36 PM
Edited by artu at 14:37, 15 Nov 2015.

fred said:
they're just trying to divide the people, and as artu posted, that plays into the terrorist's hands. that plays into the government's hands, too;

Maybe in the US, where Muslim population is very insignificant and they want approval for their overseas foreign invasions. But in Europe, it's the opposite, the governments take in significant amount of Muslim immigrants as labor, the last thing they need is an extremely polarized community in which the locals and Muslims are constantly involved in hate crimes or riots. So, sometimes, they even get overzealous about the "multi-cultural" approach. I live in a Muslim country with a strong tradition of secularism and the mainstream left here is incredibly alert about political Islam and fundamentalism, a lot of the times, when the leftists here write articles or share their memories in interviews etc, they comment that whenever the issue of radical Islam comes as a subject in international summits, European Union projects and so on, the minute they start to talk about issues of Islam as a political conservative power which may get out of hand, the Western-European leftists accuse them of Islamophobia (which is quite ironic, really), racism or orthodoxy. Of course, I have nothing against multi-culturalism when it means tolerance and people from different cultural backgrounds co-existing peacefully but it must be blatantly obvious, for that to happen, everyone should accept that a secular constitution applies to all human beings no matter what their personal faith is. We don't have to reinvent the wheel here.  
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 15, 2015 03:53 PM




I think you get the message. Including the leftists here

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Zenofex
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posted November 15, 2015 04:29 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 16:30, 15 Nov 2015.

Pawek_13 said:
Wpolityce.pl is one of the most rightist websites in Poland. Rightist media in general are now extatic because of Law & Justice's victory and believe that after 8 years of Poland's degeneration because of Civic Platforms's rule our state will be restored because of new governement and president, both originating from Law & Justice.

However, their position in EU is quite weak compared to Civic Platform's, as their mildly anti-European policy is not popular in France and Germany, the statest that are mostly in charge of EU.  Unless this duo decides to not allow asylum seekers in, LaJ voice may play little to no role in changing quotas for Poland. Besides, Donald Tusk, President of the European Council, origins from Civic Platform, that has been constantly quarelling with LaJ for over 10 years, what dwarves their position even more. Additionally, most of LaJ politicians are, delicately speaking, foul-mouthed and this strait is seen very badly in diplomatic circles.

The last factor that plays a role in this iswue is Polish hierarchy of laws. On first place we have constitution, then we have laws established by EU and only on third place we have acts accepted by Polish Parliament and President. Because accepting refugees is not against Constitution, hence LaJ can'tdo much about it.

Overall, this statement is just muscle flexing to pander to rightist media's and their voters standpoint. As long as before mentioned duo and states like Greece and Italy don't change their decision, they may just talk about not accepting asylum seekers to Poland and still be obligated to do so.


It's possible that this is just trying to sound cool in front of the homies but right now the EU is VERY weak before its member states and risks to become even weaker or disappear altogether if it tries to enforce something which the participating countries find unacceptable. Especially considering the last events. Germany lost a lot of authority during this crisis, France will follow suit if it continues with its "mourn and talk" policy. There has been some discontent about their overemphasized role of "leaders" even before there have been any major problems, now they can only alienate the other members, especially those at the borders of the EU, if they try to play tough. They won't do that. Germany however might find itself in deep **** this very winter - the refugees, immigrants, jihadists and so on which Merkel summoned are not well-accommodated so if the weather is not merciful, riots may start which will only worsen the overall situation. Even if there are no more terrorist attacks, the problem is already big enough. The worst thing here however is that the awful mismanagement of this crisis brings voters to the camps of the far right and left so at one point Europe might meet the dawn with several or more xenophobic governments, capable of destroying in no time decades of development.

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Herry
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posted November 15, 2015 04:41 PM

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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 15, 2015 04:52 PM

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Galaad
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posted November 15, 2015 05:00 PM

Article from March recently bumped, another interesting read.

Islamic State is the cancer of modern capitalism, by Nafeez Ahmed.
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posted November 15, 2015 05:36 PM

Herry, please do not post images that violate the Code of Conduct. This includes images with language that is normally bypassed by filters.

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Kayna
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posted November 15, 2015 05:36 PM
Edited by Kayna at 18:10, 15 Nov 2015.

fred79 said:
they're just trying to divide the people, and as artu posted, that plays into the terrorist's hands.


I think this whole "I'm not gonna do what my enemy wants me to do" thing is what most people do when they don't really understand a situation. It's kind of an evolved form of child psychology. Personally I don't find any in depth scheme in their actions ; they're just sharing pain with us, and I'm not sure what we should or should not do in consequence to this.

Herry said:



Well, the ones on top has been dealt with lol.

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artu
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posted November 15, 2015 05:46 PM

Galaad said:
Article from March recently bumped, another interesting read.

Islamic State is the cancer of modern capitalism, by Nafeez Ahmed.

Yes, a good read indeed, the interview by Deniz Kahraman he mentios is quite famous here. Erdogan was overwhelmingly dedicated to throwing down Assad, even more than the US. He seems to back down on that temperorily after the latest events and a visit to Moscow, lol.
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