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posted March 22, 2016 04:54 PM

Doomforge said:
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am i the only one thinking that these attacks, the migration and everything that was allowed thus far, are part of a plan to establish nwo


Didn't you say in another discussion that you don't believe in NWO or other tinfoil crap theories?

I'll write a thread about this so called "NWO" later, feel yourself invited in for a discussion



i don't believe there is a name for it, as i don't believe it exists... yet. but if the human race doesn't self-destruct, or if something doesn't wipe us out, i have no doubt in my mind, that it WILL exist. it is only the natural course of things, seeing how technology is advancing, and population is ever-increasing. the grip on the public will be much more difficult as everything progresses beyond control. it is something that the powers of the world will NEED to accomplish, if they want to keep the pawns below them under control. or maybe not. maybe they can keep us under control by surveillance and propaganda alone.

regardless, it's what I would do, if i were a power, faced with overthrow, anarchy, overpopulation, depleted natural resources, etc. i see the logic in control over the whipped masses. if I see it, it only stands to reason that OTHERS will too. especially, if they are in power, and want to remain as such, indefinitely(as an organization(s)).

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posted March 23, 2016 08:36 AM

But you don't need a centralized government to maintain the effect. Invisible hand is better, cleaner, more efficient. The impact that banks and corporations (especially military corporations) have on politics is obvious and has nothing to do with the silly NWO concept, neither will it ever lead to one. Back seat beats front line in this case.

European crisis is mostly Merkel's idea of combating the aging society. Too bad her choice of physical workers is a rather unstable one.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:09 PM
Edited by fred79 at 17:11, 23 Mar 2016.

Doomforge said:
But you don't need a centralized government to maintain the effect. Invisible hand is better, cleaner, more efficient. The impact that banks and corporations (especially military corporations) have on politics is obvious and has nothing to do with the silly NWO concept, neither will it ever lead to one. Back seat beats front line in this case.


true enough; for now, at least. in that case, we're already where we'll be, with our own individual governments/corporations/agencies.

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i have a question: is ANYONE satisfied with their government? does EVERYONE feel that they are not being represented as a people, by the people who govern them?

and if unsatisfied, and feeling unrepresented and more like cannon fodder to those over you, WHY is no one doing anything about it? are we all going to continue to let them run us over as they have for decades, for as long as they will?

what am i even saying? it's not logistically possible for the commoners of the world to unite under one banner, as a kind of reverse NWO, to overthrow those who only suck on them like leeches and use them to fight their battles...

the systems need reset.

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posted March 23, 2016 05:15 PM

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WHY is no one doing anything about it?


There is nothing to be done about it. You can make manifests, you can organize rallies - all you'll accomplish is freezing your butt off if the day is cold enough. Nobody cares. The "elected body" doesn't give a rat's behind.


fred79 said:
what am i even saying? it's not logistically possible for the commoners of the world to unite under one banner, as a kind of reverse NWO, to overthrow those who only suck on them like leeches and use them to fight their battles...

the systems need reset.


That's what Lenin said. The effect? the people who overthrew their dicators became dictators themselves.

It's human nature you'd have to change, and that is simply not possible.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:24 PM

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It's human nature you'd have to change, and that is simply not possible.


i've said that before many times. i'd just like to see the people TRY to make a change, now. a drastic one.

what comes after, is fine, as long as people in that generation rise up again, ad infinitum.

i think that, eventually, things will be righted(assuming that at the same time people pull their heads out of their asses regarding procreation control, mass-recycling, the complete eradication of the use of oil and other environmental ruination, etc). because you'll be effectively designing a better system of government. and maybe through that, you'll be designing a better populace.

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posted March 23, 2016 05:31 PM

Doomforge said:
fred79 said:
WHY is no one doing anything about it?


There is nothing to be done about it.

Anarchy? A good old-fashioned riot? Torch the parliament?
The state only has the power to represent you if it can protect you and care for your well-being.
Failing that means that they are just aristocracy and the French revolution showed us how to deal with them.

I'm not a bloodthirsty person btw but looking at how PC the current generation kids are - who are supposed to be protesting the most since they are getting snowed the most by the system - I have little hope for such action. Remember the occupy Wallstreet movement? Remember that they were just sitting on their asses singing kumbaya and doing jazz-hands voting? A fatload of good they got done.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:35 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 17:38, 23 Mar 2016.

Future of the world lies in North America. Europe was lost more then 100 years ago. Its a never going to be fixed.

In 50-100 years Europe will be in some sort of Islamic Middle Ages or some Nazi like anti-arab Dictatorship. Be smart - emigrate to America. I'm serious. It wont be much different for us, but it will be for our grad children. And there will be nothing to do in Europe in the next 50-100 years. It seems like we are at the brink of histories end. Besides, America is already cooler place.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:38 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:38, 23 Mar 2016.

fred79 said:
Doomforge said:
It's human nature you'd have to change, and that is simply not possible.


i've said that before many times. i'd just like to see the people TRY to make a change, now. a drastic one.



But they already did and bolshevism sucked butt.

fuChris said:
Anarchy? A good old-fashioned riot? Torch the parliament?
The state only has the power to represent you if it can protect you and care for your well-being.
Failing that means that they are just aristocracy and the French revolution showed us how to deal with them.


Whatever replaces those you kill, torch or banish will be even worse than them. French revolution actually IS a pretty good example, but not exactly in a way you intended it to be
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posted March 23, 2016 05:38 PM
Edited by fred79 at 17:39, 23 Mar 2016.

@ fuChris: it's because not enough people are involved. think of the million man march in washington. you have to have enough of a presence, to let them know you mean business.

at this point, a 2 million man march(with ALL races), with everyone ARMED, will be enough to show them that people mean business.

they have to be broken of the idea that we'll let them do whatever they want. until that happens, nothing will change. they haven't been reminded who's boss, in FAR too long.

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posted March 23, 2016 05:39 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:40, 23 Mar 2016.

fred79 said:
at this point, a 2 million man march(with ALL races), with everyone ARMED, will be enough to show them that people mean business.


And what are you going to do with your arms? combat the police/army? kill them all, then kill the politicians? what then? Whomever gets promoted via the putsch becomes another politician, just a more malicious one, just like history proves.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:42 PM

Doomforge said:
fred79 said:
at this point, a 2 million man march(with ALL races), with everyone ARMED, will be enough to show them that people mean business.


And what are you going to do with your arms? combat the police/army? kill them all, then kill the politicians? what then? Whomever gets promoted via the putsch becomes another politician, just a more malicious one, just like history proves.


See? My point is the right one
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posted March 23, 2016 05:48 PM

Nobody needs to bee killed but they need to be scared sh*tless that is for sure. The only reason they get away with BS is because they fell they they can. Torch their fancy villas and luxury cars and they'll think again.

VokialBG said:
Future of the world lies in North America. Europe was lost more then 100 years ago. Its a never going to be fixed.

In 50-100 years Europe will be in some sort of Islamic Middle Ages or some Nazi like anti-arab Dictatorship. Be smart - emigrate to America. I'm serious. It wont be much different for us, but it will be for our grad children. And there will be nothing to do in Europe in the next 50-100 years. It seems like we are at the brink of histories end. Besides, America is already cooler place.

As soon as they ban gun ownership, fix their healthcare system and education system and I'm there. Otherwise Canada and Australia are way more attractive and Australia is a F'ed up place as well. I mean they voted for Tony Abbott ffs.
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posted March 23, 2016 05:49 PM

Doomforge said:
fred79 said:
at this point, a 2 million man march(with ALL races), with everyone ARMED, will be enough to show them that people mean business.


And what are you going to do with your arms? combat the police/army? kill them all, then kill the politicians? what then? Whomever gets promoted via the putsch becomes another politician, just a more malicious one, just like history proves.


i didn't say anything about combat. just a presence, that gets them sweating. they need to at least be NERVOUS. if it is a behavior you are trying to modify, fear is a great motivator. give them a REASON to listen to the people, and to give a snow.

hey, if people have to be more violent to do the right thing, i'm all for it. it's not like PEACE ever worked effectively. peace is only laughed at, by those in power. if the only thing they understand is what they cause(war), then why not? i'm down. let me know when the people plan on unifying(). i'll be there to weed out the dissident infiltrators. i can smell the enemy a mile away.

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posted March 23, 2016 05:52 PM

It's never about sheer numbers, for something to be called a revolution and not just some uprising where heads roll only to be replaced by similar ones, you need a new social class with a fresh way of doing things. Resourcefulness and being able to produce some level of wealth for the majority matters. In 18th and 19th centuries the bourgeoisie revolutions against the aristocrats (the American and French ones are the most well known) were able to change things permanently because the bourgeoisie were already getting stronger than the aristocrats and their way of producing wealth was much more practical. Working-class revolutions against the bourgeoisie always failed though, or ended up in tyrannies from which people wanted to escape. Because they didnt actually have a better model to replace things. This is of course a very oversimplified summary of things, yet, in the end, it always comes down to what alternative you can offer.
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posted March 23, 2016 06:08 PM

@ artu(in case i get ninja'd): i can offer peace, a clean environment, and freedom with responsibilities.

if i am turned down, i can offer a quick or slow death, depending on my mood and how many people turn me down.

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posted March 23, 2016 06:25 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 18:26, 23 Mar 2016.

fred79 said:
i didn't say anything about combat. just a presence, that gets them sweating. they need to at least be NERVOUS. if it is a behavior you are trying to modify, fear is a great motivator. give them a REASON to listen to the people, and to give a snow.


Nervous? what of?
They have private security, police, special forces and a whole army to act under their will. Nobody cares about a bunch of civilians, armed or not.

Besides...

90% of those civilians have taken loans for 30-40 years to buy a disfunctional pathetic 30m^2 flat and will never risk ANYTHING because they can't afford losing it and going homeless. (at least that's what happens here).

The rest makes good money and does not care. Why would they care? they are rich, and live good, comfortable lives. Those are rather rarely people who want to change anything at all. Any "revolution" would mean their precious houses and cars going in flames.

fred79 said:
hey, if people have to be more violent to do the right thing, i'm all for it. it's not like PEACE ever worked effectively. peace is only laughed at, by those in power. if the only thing they understand is what they cause(war), then why not? i'm down. let me know when the people plan on unifying(). i'll be there to weed out the dissident infiltrators. i can smell the enemy a mile away.


The only thing violence can accomplish is a good bunch of people dead. Current politicians will be replaced by new ones, elected by rifles rather than votes, and you can expect things to go south and hit mexico REALLY soon: civil wars, chaos, unemployment, gangs rising to control whole cities, starvation, rapes, properties going in flames, children abused and killed, and everything else violence leads to.


There is literally no way out of the world we see now other than a full-blown nuclear war. But that's just a big fat GAME OVER for everybody.
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posted March 23, 2016 06:32 PM

fred79 said:
@ artu(in case i get ninja'd): i can offer peace, a clean environment, and freedom with responsibilities.

These are all end results you wish for, fredmuffin. Not a potential system to achieve them.
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posted March 23, 2016 07:54 PM

artu said:
fred79 said:
@ artu(in case i get ninja'd): i can offer peace, a clean environment, and freedom with responsibilities.

These are all end results you wish for, fredmuffin. Not a potential system to achieve them.


lol, that's what the second sentence is for:

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if i am turned down, i can offer a quick or slow death, depending on my mood and how many people turn me down.


self explanatory, really.

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posted March 23, 2016 07:57 PM

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There is literally no way out of the world we see now other than a full-blown nuclear war. But that's just a big fat GAME OVER for everybody.


way to piss on my dreams.

oh well, there's always submitting to systematic slavery, right? it's so IN this year. and the last XXX years. and the future XXX years.

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posted March 23, 2016 09:24 PM

Well, one can still aim to break away from "the system", on a personal level. I have no hope for society as a whole, because it's conditioned to work the way it works - it's like expecting the fire to soak you instead of burning you.
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