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Ebonheart
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posted September 18, 2015 10:52 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Ghettization is not approved by me 
spaghetti on snowing bread... seriously?!
@Ebony
I ain't reading that. There's enough bigoted, falsified "facts" SD propaganda pressed into my face at every turn already and I don't want any more of it. I've read it all already.
I spent more than 30 minutes writing that text to try to explain to you why I feel and think as I do and with facts to back it up.
The least you can do is to read it, even if you do not agree with me.
edit: Do not call me Ebony. That is racist. I am white, not brown/black (in case you have not noticed, you are the racist).
The Sweden Democrats are now above 25% (and I suspect it to be more), so basically I shall take your attitude as a sign. A sign that shows to me that you do not want democracy. You want dictatorship, where everything that is acceptable is what you think is correct.
Well here's a bitter truth for you: In a democracy everyone has the right to believe whatever they wish. That includes you, me and everyone else.
If you can't stand that I slam pure reason and facts in your face, then do me and everyone else trying to invest time to clear the matter up for you a favor, quit your politically correct and baseless yapping and begone.
Edit: I am off for today. Good night folks.
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Neraus
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posted September 18, 2015 11:00 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
I am confident that is what he meant. 
Exactly, it is an heinous crime and should be punished with death!
How dare you despoil our treasured foods!
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xerox
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posted September 18, 2015 11:04 PM |
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For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
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EnergyZ
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posted September 18, 2015 11:09 PM |
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xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
Oh? And when the country has too much of an unemployment rate, and they have to stay, it is a blessing?
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted September 18, 2015 11:21 PM |
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xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse.
Over 700 million,to be precise. 
For me, this cartoon perfectly describes the refugee crisis: 
If we have to let them into Europe, then let them in. Around ten thousand refugees, that Poland is supposed to take care after, isn't that much, especially if they are dispersed across the country (what is very likely to happen.) However, I doubt that they want to stay in here, as Poland is right next to Germany and very close to Scandinavia, so when they get an opportunity, they will flee from the state (maybe with few exceptions.) Because of that, refugees are even less of a problem to me.
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OhforfSake
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Initiate
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posted September 18, 2015 11:25 PM |
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Odds are they'll want to live where their family lives. That's why I imagine the majority is aiming for Germany and Sweden.
Fortunately Germany has like 80 million people, 1 or 2 more or less doesn't make any difference and then our racist politicians will be happy.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted September 18, 2015 11:31 PM |
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Heh, I needed these last few posts
thanks guys  
Yeah, it's important to try and spread people out in order to avoid separation.
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Stevie
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posted September 18, 2015 11:33 PM |
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xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
So according to you, Europe needs more mouths to feed and unemployment rate? Let alone crime rate, cultural and religious dissensions and the very real terror threat?
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xerox
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posted September 18, 2015 11:43 PM |
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There are 500 millon in the European Union, that's what I meant.
EnergyZ said:
xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
Oh? And when the country has too much of an unemployment rate, and they have to stay, it is a blessing?
Economics is not a zero-sum game. By that false logic, baby booms would cause mass unemployment. Instead, a larger population makes for a larger economy, which benefits all.
Stevie said:
xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
So according to you, Europe needs more mouths to feed and unemployment rate? Let alone crime rate, cultural and religious dissensions and the very real terror threat?
What Europe needs is more people to support those that do not support themselves. Primarily the huge number of growing elderly people. We need immigration to keep up the work force but OF COURSE we can't just let people in and then do nothing. There will be cultural tensions and there has to be policy changes regarding the naturalization of these new citizens. But closing the borders will only cause the doom of these people, and in the long-term, the doom of European prosperity aswell.
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Over himself, over his own
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted September 18, 2015 11:47 PM |
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If any disaster occurred outside, I guarantee very few from EU would refuse millions of americans, or russians, or chinese -the list would be long- to come in. It would be indeed a blessing and a joy to help.
Muslims, on the other side, modify the structure and general layout of the countries they immigrate in then create tensions, denying this would be foolish. Such countries, for the most with rich, uniques and secular cultures, have the sovereign right of refusing or accepting such enforced changes. Thats why only a referendum should allow any definitive decision regarding refugees or even immigration on a large scale.
Not emotional and individual attitudes, which often come from immature or not socially yet productive people. Or political oriented attitudes, because it is known poverty-stricken people will vote for the one who feeds them, preferably free of charge.
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted September 18, 2015 11:57 PM |
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Xerox just read my long post on page 4. It should give you enough answers to why people here reply as they do.
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EnergyZ
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posted September 19, 2015 12:03 AM |
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xerox said:
There are 500 millon in the European Union, that's what I meant.
EnergyZ said:
xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
Oh? And when the country has too much of an unemployment rate, and they have to stay, it is a blessing?
Economics is not a zero-sum game. By that false logic, baby booms would cause mass unemployment. Instead, a larger population makes for a larger economy, which benefits all.
Even today people are raising issues that in some dozen years, Earth will be overcrowded, meaning more water, food and other things will be even in greater demand. In other words, one should severly reduce unemployment rate before starting to accept so many people at once, for ours and their sake. It just isn't practical that a bunch of people are waiting months for a job and now have to wait with 200 more people.
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Stevie
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posted September 19, 2015 12:04 AM |
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xerox said:
Stevie said:
xerox said:
For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.
So according to you, Europe needs more mouths to feed and unemployment rate? Let alone crime rate, cultural and religious dissensions and the very real terror threat?
What Europe needs is more people to support those that do not support themselves. Primarily the huge number of growing elderly people. We need immigration to keep up the work force but OF COURSE we can't just let people in and then do nothing. There will be cultural tensions and there has to be policy changes regarding the naturalization of these new citizens. But closing the borders will only cause the doom of these people, and in the long-term, the doom of European prosperity aswell.
Em, no, what Europe needs is more people that do not support themselves to support themselves. And in what world do you associate the already high unemployment rates of European countries with a necessity of supplementing demographics?
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Kayna
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posted September 19, 2015 01:08 AM |
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xerox said:
and in the long-term, the doom of European prosperity aswell.
Just one, well placed false statement at the end.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted September 19, 2015 02:49 AM |
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Friends, I won't let this thread turn into a thread about insulting muslims, or any religion or ethnic group for that matter. It's not there yet, but heading in that direction.
Closing a thread a second time means the closing will be permanent.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted September 19, 2015 03:35 AM |
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Neraus said:
We've had 200 years of Muslim domination, the resident Byzantines were either slaughtered or reduced to Dhimmis, the seconds at least survived, but they had laws prohibiting them to hold public office and building new churches, fortunately Sicily being Sicily our Arabs were kinder and didn't go on rampages against the local Greeks, and brought new meals and fruits (to which we're grateful, I consider that as a scarce repayment for the Greeks that were murdered, but hey, that made us the greatest cuisine in the world) when the Normans came they allowed the Arabs to stay under regulation, which at the difference of the previous rulers meant that the Saracens could maintain their privileges, coins would maintain the Arabic script, at the cost of a tax, the result was a cohesive population of Normans, Byzantines and the Arabs that stayed (Many left due to being ruled by an infidel), still today we can see the result of that, we had an unique style of architecture and art in the Middle Ages and even our language maintains a lot of Arabic influences, that's integration, taking the best from both worlds and fusing it together.
I'm not sure exactly what you're refering to here but if by local Greeks you mean the conquest of Byzantine by the Ottomans, they were neither slaughtered nor assimilated (in the bad sense of the word.) We naturally have very different standards nowadays, especially since the mid 20th century when people saw what racism could result in by the extreme Nazi example, but if you dont look at the situation anachronically, back in 16th or 17th century, being a Dhimmi was quite a comfortable situation compared to how the Church treated minorities, it literally means protected person, non-muslims (if they belonged to an Abrahamic religion) had to pay a special tax called Cizye, other than that, they could live and practice their religion anyway they see fit as long as they didnt revolt against the empire. The Ottoman Empire was not a colonial empire, it was a classical one modeled very much like Rome, for example, if two Greeks or Armenians had an issue between each other, they perfectly had the right to solve it by their own courts and tradition. If they had an issue with a Muslim, than Islamic law would step in but that was not puritan Sharia law either, it was a hybrid law merged with a law called Orfi Hukuk, which is based on practical solutions to new problems that Islamic law do not cover. (For example, there is nothing in Sharia law about forging false currency, so they had to invent their own rules about that.) This is nothing brutal if you compare it to how any non-christian was treated in the Western kingdoms those days. The real ethnical or religious clashes arrived after the French Revolution and the rise of nationalism which set up a chain of events that involved a lot of action versus reaction but that's another story. Bottomline is, Greeks who comfortably stayed as Greeks by the standards of those ages were a very significant portion of the population here till mid 1950's.
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted September 19, 2015 09:59 AM |
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Corribus said:
Friends, I won't let this thread turn into a thread about insulting muslims, or any religion or ethnic group for that matter. It's not there yet, but heading in that direction.
Closing a thread a second time means the closing will be permanent.
Just close the thread Corribus. It is just full of arguments against the immigration and those arguments are not even read, taken seriously or replied to by those who think differently.
Not to mention that each argument containing the word "muslims" is full of spite (I am not going to argue if it is for good or bad reasons here) and so you can probably expect the thread to move down this lane.
Oh yea, I am also tired of being called a racist. Hand me the "anti-culture" stamp if you will, but lay off the racist card.
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Zenofex
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posted September 19, 2015 10:10 AM |
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The thread was actually intended to focus on EU's policy or rather lack of policy regarding the issue, not the regular "Muslims causing trouble" stuff - there is another thread for the latter. You can't separate the two though so this "evolution" of the discussion is hardly surprising.
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Stevie
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posted September 19, 2015 10:16 AM |
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Corribus said:
Friends, I won't let this thread turn into a thread about insulting muslims, or any religion or ethnic group for that matter. It's not there yet, but heading in that direction.
Closing a thread a second time means the closing will be permanent.
If you're using the "insulting muslims" card on us to prevent the truth from being spoken, then you're restricting freedom of speech. It would be ludicrous to think that the issue has no deep implications at a religious / ethnic level.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted September 19, 2015 10:19 AM |
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Freedom of speech doesn't exist. But in this case it would be freedom of reply, because without the muslim card, there is no possible response to the irresponsible argument "let them all in". And yes, the lack of coherence in Europe policies is the clash between emotional and real. Yes, we want to help. Oh, not them again!
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