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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 31, 2023 05:20 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 17:27, 31 Oct 2023.
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FirePaladin said:
With all due respect, I can't really say I've noticed any interest in any Forge other than Gregory Fulton's Forge (DoR), and I haven't seen anyone being enthusiastic about the idea of 100 Forges either. Just for the sake of being transparent and not getting anyone's hopes high about it. Besides, those graphics are regarded as unpolished by some, aka unpublishable.
Can then I ask for them only for collection purposes and not for distributing?
Or the only way is to use only remaining pucture and make a town screen only with it?
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted October 31, 2023 05:41 PM |
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Sure, I'll bring it up, but I for one don't expect anything. I wasn't allowed to dig out MDT Forge stuff for updating it either (those low poly gog horns are obnoxious to me, among other things). Not to antagonize, though, as we are friends and I understood their own, different opinion of such an initiative.
Well, it wouldn't be the first time someone ripped a 2D image of an unfinished town screen not meant to be used. Though the practice is often frowned upon.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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knook
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 01, 2023 01:42 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
Well, it wouldn't be the first time someone ripped a 2D image of an unfinished town screen not meant to be used. Though the practice is often frowned upon.
It was you who stole the sketch for Factory from HotA and never gave credit for it. You have zero right to say that someone is ripping your work because you are doing the same.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 01, 2023 02:11 PM |
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@knook
1. I was never part of MDT and did not participate in the development of MDT Forge.
2. To my knowledge, around the time of MDT Forge's development, both HotA members and MDT members (or at least one member, to my knowledge) were in contact with each other to some extent, mainly through a silly gag joke regarding Don_ko's drone, which was likened to a candlelight monster for some reason. You do have a keen eye, though. 
So, what I am saying is that HotA probably knew of this development, and back then they did go after people who wanted to eg. publish Cove for ERA. Otherwise, MDT was also in its very early days back then, and their work ethic might have not been formed properly yet. You know, some enthusiastic fellas, eagerly making their vision come to fruition.
P.S. If you are indeed a member of HotA or the likes and it's actually as you say, don't hesitate to tell me and I'll see how it can be handled. Regardless of whether this was a "rip" or not, we nowadays in DoR stay away from plagiarism as much as possible (I despise plagiarism, if you've read my message history, and I am the lead graphic designer of that project).
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted November 02, 2023 08:03 AM |
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knook said:
It was you who stole the sketch for Factory from HotA
Or no, its crime against all humanity that sketch was stolen without any mentions. HOTA must register all sketches and graphics in official deparments.
By the way, HOTA itself stole Cove ideas from Haven team. They were very angry and even stopped work on their own town.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted November 02, 2023 09:43 AM |
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2D image of an unfinished town screen not meant to be used
Ideas which are not used, are worthless.
Now we have a number of finished and playable Forge towns and everybody can enjoy them.
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The future of Heroes 3 is here!
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 02, 2023 04:08 PM |
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@Macron1
Can't say I'm a fan of all that stealing if true, but I'm not really going to have a conversation about early HotA's ethics, especially since I am not knowledgeable on that topic. I do know that the attitude of their core members has changed for the better in all those years (and many members have also joined and left).
Otherwise, I have forwarded your request. I'm awaiting a final reply (which might take a while, or not, I can't know).
@Warmonger
Well, I believe that old version of the town screen is worthless as is (bringing it up again, I do have in mind to reuse its few, better ideas, but that's another subject).
Both in HotA and DoR, town screens suffer enough changes that you could have at least one more town screen, going by those standards and/or the fact that building models and layout change so much. But these intermediary versions are all a build-up for the final, high quality one, which is meant to satisfy as many people as possible and match H3. It's an art in itself.
No offense intended, btw, but "finished and playable" is different based on whom you ask. I, for example, believe that the only public town which is fully playable is Cove, as far as visual quality concerns go (which also includes conceptual consistency and related traits - for example, Courtyard does not properly convey its tropes, tropes which are also not properly developed - the author knows this flaw and would like to fix it sometime). A high quality town ensures the lack of controversy around it, which in turn results in more players playing it, since it matches H3's standards better. Just like when building a car, you want to make it as serviceable, good-looking and sturdy as possible.
I also find the idea of "100 variations of this one town" fundamentally silly - just have one that's good to no longer create a reason for remixing it, it's like changing two creatures in Castle and a few buildings and you now have "Pink Castle" (I have a friend who really loves the idea of a recolored Pink Castle, don't ask). Some exceptions to this can exist, of course.
Lastly, I fully understand the viewpoint, it is fun for some to have plenty of versions of a particular concept, even if it doesn't match H3 entirely. I am simply saying that viewpoint doesn't match that of neither most of HotA's nor most of DoR's members. Which is fine, I essentially believe in a modding community where everyone is fit to have their own opinions and make what mods they want, so long as there's understanding between people and all that. We are modding a 24+ years old retro game, we're supposed to have fun and enjoy what we're doing, at the end of the day (be it remixing towns or releasing only what we consider to be the best).
Speaking of, maybe I should release my first more polished creature as a small mod on more platforms, sometime (I thought about this in the past as well, not just right now). Though I don't know how many would like it, because... it's kinda silly for some people (some of you might have seen it already).
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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LordCameron
Known Hero
Veteran of the Succession Wars
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posted November 03, 2023 03:06 AM |
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FirePaladin said:
No offense intended, btw, but "finished and playable" is different based on whom you ask. I, for example, believe that the only public town which is fully playable is Cove, as far as visual quality concerns go
What about Ruins Town?
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 03, 2023 02:13 PM |
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Well, there is a reason why fiorin is remaking it (and it looks quite promising, I love the rock giants especially). The old town screen doesn't seem to have more than a global light illuminating every side, among other flaws, including readability and the CGI look.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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fiorin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 03, 2023 03:18 PM |
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LordCameron said:
FirePaladin said:
No offense intended, btw, but "finished and playable" is different based on whom you ask. I, for example, believe that the only public town which is fully playable is Cove, as far as visual quality concerns go
What about Ruins Town?
Ruins town lives in our hearths.. and soon in our mods folder
FirePaladin said:
Well, there is a reason why fiorin is remaking it (and it looks quite promising, I love the rock giants especially). The old town screen doesn't seem to have more than a global light illuminating every side, among other flaws, including readability and the CGI look.
Give me some more days and we will be releasing the full alpha version for testing.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted November 03, 2023 03:23 PM |
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Can't wait to see it.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted December 17, 2023 02:38 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
@Macron1
Otherwise, I have forwarded your request. I'm awaiting a final reply (which might take a while, or not, I can't know).
Hello. Any news?
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Krs
Famous Hero
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posted December 17, 2023 10:40 PM |
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I really like what this mod brings to the game. So I have try to combine the alternative upgrades in a mod compilation. Together with HotA, WoG, Andruids and other stuff.
For the curious check out H3Evo in VCMI launcher.
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 18, 2023 12:02 AM |
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@Macron1
I reminded him of it again, he said he'll ask the other contributors about it, too.
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted December 18, 2023 02:34 PM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 15:11, 18 Dec 2023.
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I would say that, visually, Cove Town looks like a Disney theme park and is very ugly, with elements all over the place and lacks the unity of default town layouts.
In this department Ruins is much closer: It is a quieter, more down-to-earth look.
The forge towns, as they were based on NWC designs, are pretty close to the Conflux style of things or the BETA H3 town looks (when they were CGI rendered, before manual touch).
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Never changing = never improving
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fiorin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 18, 2023 03:35 PM |
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NimoStar said:
I would say that, visually, Cove Town looks like a Disney theme park and is very ugly, with elements all over the place and lacks the unity of default town layouts.
In this department Ruins is much closer: It is a quieter, more down-to-earth look.
The forge towns, as they were based on NWC designs, are pretty close to the Conflux style of things or the BETA H3 town looks (when they were CGI rendered, before manual touch).
From the Ruins perspective, the current townscreen buildings are ugly in a lot aspects, but was my way to rush to something to deliver asap. I´m still focused on delivering new models to replace the current ones. Better models, textures and colors 
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 18, 2023 04:07 PM |
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@NimoStar
I'm not really keen on debating the Cove town screen (though I do agree on one thing, the fact that it's just a bit too Disney-ish; pirates are cruel cutthroats, at the end of the day).
Regarding the Forge town screens, yes, the original town screen by NWC was a mess. Gregory Fulton did not believe that NWC's artists could do it, and the artist who made that screen (Phelan Sykes) also had resentments, according to Michael Wolf (who also suggested scrapping that town screen altogether).
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted December 18, 2023 04:08 PM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 16:09, 18 Dec 2023.
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I meant in the design concept, rather than necessarily in the polish of the implementation 
Also, there are plenty of "Passable" towns which would only need some polishing, such as Bastion/Oasis.
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Never changing = never improving
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FirePaladin
Legendary Hero
DoR Modder
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posted December 18, 2023 04:11 PM |
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Understood.
Yes, such towns do exist (but if you ask me, Bastion needs totally new creature graphics, whereas Oasis needs totally new town screen graphics).
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"Goblins use pistols because a shotgun recoil would kick them off the ground flying."
The Reckoning.... it's drawing near....
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