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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 15, 2015 01:59 PM |
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Akul said:
I consider H5 a good game: it was fine on release and the two expansions just made it into an objectively better game than H3.
No. It is better on some aspects, like skill system and such, but it still looks ugly so it depends if player cares about visuals or not. Also you need extra fan content like Quantomas AI if you don't want to wait for ages between turns and the like.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 15, 2015 02:12 PM |
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Galaad said:
Akul said:
I consider H5 a good game: it was fine on release and the two expansions just made it into an objectively better game than H3.
No. It is better on some aspects, like skill system and such, but it still looks ugly so it depends if player cares about visuals or not. Also you need extra fan content like Quantomas AI if you don't want to wait for ages between turns and the like.
didn't even notice that excerpt, yeah sorry but any post that claims Heroes 3 had sucked on release and Heroes 5 was fine can't be taken seriously lol
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 15, 2015 02:21 PM |
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verriker said:
frankly, I don't understand anyone who comes with this revisionist idea that RoE 1.0 wasn't an excellent game on launch, it came virtually the barest minimum of bugs, with more content up front than any other Heroes game and expansions only piled on more stuff lol
Me neither. It seems that bugged releaseshave become a staple of the gaming industry (sadly...) and many people can't comprehend a fact that it can be different.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 15, 2015 03:28 PM |
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Galaad said:
Akul said:
I consider H5 a good game: it was fine on release and the two expansions just made it into an objectively better game than H3.
No. It is better on some aspects, like skill system and such, but it still looks ugly so it depends if player cares about visuals or not. Also you need extra fan content like Quantomas AI if you don't want to wait for ages between turns and the like.
Well art style is obviously subjective, I actually like Hero 5's art style, cartoony units and all. Unlike many H7 units, each unit in H5 is visually very distinct and can clearly be seen on the adventure map. It's true that wait times were bad back in the days, but when I play on my current computer, wait times are quite acceptable, even with 8 players on the map and playing without Quantomas AI patch. But yeah, H5 Vanilla had very big problems, that's indisputable.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 15, 2015 03:40 PM |
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Art-style is subjective not going to argue here, but a drastic change of art-style between titles is not. Then yes, is my personal preference to dive in the original world from h2 or h3, and a wish I lost hope for to see these with modern technology and graphics. I agree with you about visibility which is better in h5 than h7. I have to admit I'm a bit shocked you find the AI turns acceptable without EE, but maybe I'm just less tolerant than you are on that matter.
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SkySlam
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 15, 2015 05:05 PM |
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I enjoyed the cartoony art style of H5 as well, and that is VERY different from H6 and H7.
Also, vanilla H5 was terrible and no one can deny that, but it showed a lot of potential, at least to me.
I can't say the same about H7 and I fear there won't be a TotE to save the day.
Honestly, between H2, H3 and H5, the stranger in the art style department is H3 to me. Infact, it's the title I enjoyed the less among those three, but as you all said: art is obviously subjective.
On the other hand, what is clearly objective is that the art direction of H7 is terrible, because it all looks bland and confused. Something similar happened with H6: it's often hard to tell one unit from another, I don't know if it's about the color schemes of each faction, but I remember for sure that it didn't happen in H5, and it was still 3D. And yeah, it was still Ubi...
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted October 15, 2015 07:31 PM |
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H5 also took a strange (imo) approach with many units. Showing too much skin like the Titans being stripped of their armor. Or the manticore being just plain ugly.
I liked their inferno a lot though.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 15, 2015 07:47 PM |
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Where do the people get the idea that H3 was bad at release?
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted October 15, 2015 09:56 PM |
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Maybe they mistook Ubi's H3 HD?
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted October 15, 2015 10:01 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:45, 15 Oct 2015.
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Galaad said:
I have to admit I'm a bit shocked you find the AI turns acceptable without EE, but maybe I'm just less tolerant than you are on that matter.
My wait times without the Quantomas AI are quite fast as well, I never even knew it was a problem until I started visiting here.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted October 15, 2015 10:25 PM |
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EnergyZ said:
Maybe they mistook Ubi's H3 HD?
That would explain things 
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FiReFTW
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 17, 2015 10:11 AM |
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 21, 2015 05:06 AM |
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As I see it, a team looks for work to survive financially then Heroes 7 is proposed to them. I mean this is a job to take, the fact that you can or cannot do it within quality doesn't matter, you get offered a job, you jump on and hope for the best. Only somebody still living with his mum in his thirties would play humble then refuse a job which pays. Real life is different.
Now, if things failed, none is to blame; or maybe a bit Ubi for not looking for a super team, but Ubi is a company, not a Heroes fan. It just browse teams list then probably assign games in function of lowest price cost. Frenchies are not expensive, no need to shower, to eat super meals, to sleep in clean sheets and so on (Marzih, if you read this, I hope you taste jokes). And this is how H7 born, offer and demand, the lowest price won. And that 50 people from HC which think they are the equivalent of judge Dreed are unhappy, it doesn't matter the slightest, the game will still sell enough to make profit. I see already half of you bought it.
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Elvin 
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 21, 2015 08:16 AM |
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
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SkySlam
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 21, 2015 09:25 AM |
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Edited by SkySlam at 09:28, 21 Oct 2015.
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Salamandre said:
The game will still sell enough to make profit.
This time, maybe.
Do you really think that the hundreds of angry customers on Steam, these forums, or those who bought CE will do the same mistake again for Heroes VIII?
Some of them will, because people never learn but I'm sure many players will think twice before preordering/insta-buying the next 50$+ title in the series only to receive a buggy beta.
In my personal case, I preordered Heroes VI, got slapped in the face, and decided not to preorder/buy Heroes VII.
I've learned my lesson years ago, probably some people need more time.
Will I buy Heroes VII eventually? That goes without saying, because I love the series no matter how butchered it gets, but I will get it only on sale and after patches/expansion(s).
Your philosophy of "Ubi will get away with this mess anyway" is dangerous for the series, and time will tell how wrong it is.
You can quote me on this for Heroes VIII, IF there will be one! 
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 21, 2015 09:31 AM |
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Original post has a tricky question. As biggest culprit I would say Erwan, but Ubi executives, devs and fans who keep buying crappy products are to blame also.
frostymuaddib said:
Where do the people get the idea that H3 was bad at release?
Well I wouldn't say bad, but just unimpressive at launch(compared to h2). I remember that I tried h3, but went back to h2 as it felt more extensive at the time. It was only with expansions that h3 was more of upgrade(to me personally at least).
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted October 21, 2015 08:50 PM |
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RoE had pretty much everything from the start. The game was technically completed with the RMG introduced in Armageddon's Blade, Shadow of Death added almost nothing gameplay-wise (except the very good campaign of course). Not sure how one can like Heroes III + the expansions and not like enough Heroes III RoE on its own when the latter is 95% of the end product.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 21, 2015 09:34 PM |
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And H3 with HD mod (the russian one, not ubipee) today is almost the perfect game. Fast, fluid, no worthless informations, few clicks, AI okay and awesome editor. Fans don't keep working on a game so long if game was mediocre at start.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted October 21, 2015 10:48 PM |
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For me Heroes III remains one of the most enjoyable ever, even RoE with nothing else. The expansions and then mods and various improvements only add to the charm and not change what makes the game excellent.
The following ones just came out short for me. I know there are fans of those games that devoted many hours of play, and I'm not against that, I don't hate them entirely. But III is still the best.
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fred79
Disgraceful
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 22, 2015 04:01 AM |
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lol, i just realized that i misspelled "continuous". i need to stop creating threads after a lack of sleep.  
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