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kiryu133
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posted November 03, 2015 04:31 PM |
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Everyone reacts differently to different behavior. There is no guarantee being rough and violent will help her at all and could possibly cause her to become even more dismissive. Everyone is an individual and demands different treatment which means that, yes, everyone has the need (and right) of special treatment. Because everyone is different and there is no one way of dealing with problematic people.
Even so, screaming at and pulling students is unacceptable under any circumstances. Being aggressive should never be the answer. Frankly, A teacher that can't deal with this isn't fit to be a teacher either.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted November 03, 2015 04:33 PM |
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I agree, kyriu133, but as usual, it's easier said than done to be a fair teacher or a policeman. And people have different ideas about methods as well.
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posted November 03, 2015 05:44 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 17:45, 03 Nov 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Everyone is an individual and demands different treatment which means that, yes, everyone has the need (and right) of special treatment. Because everyone is different and there is no one way of dealing with problematic people.
so how exactly do you propose society deals with individuals? only allow specifically-designed laws and rules to apply to certain people? that's asinine.
society has been productive for a reason: things work when everyone works together. according to you, everyone should be catered to, based on their personalities. lol, wtf, what is this i don't even, etc, etc.
this is exactly the kind of thinking that will lead to societal collapse. which it is gradually progressing to, because "individuality" is prevailing among different types of people. it is becoming a SIN to stop someone from being an "individual", either as one person, or a group. society is choking on this way of thinking, because it is being forced down everyone's throat. and to what end? what will be the end result of this? peace and brotherhood? try again. "individualism" only further seperates the masses.
one question, kiryu: why do you think it is that ants and other organized colonies of insects are so efficient at what they do?
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posted November 03, 2015 06:06 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted November 03, 2015 06:07 PM |
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So what do you propose? Anyone not strong enough to carry themselves gets left behind to hopefully off themselves in quiet cause the strong can't be asked to support the weak?
Ha, don't make me laugh, society would indeed collapse if people thought that way. The girl needs help, period, her conduct was disruptive aye, but the situation would've been dealt cleanly if it were in the UK, how dumb must the school be to not be aware of her circumstances, to our knowledge this is a first instance event, we don't know whether she's always disruptive or w/e.
At the end of the day all that matters is the cop was an idiot, the way he took her down was anything but bloody clean. You treat people like animals and you expect to get positive results, nice.
Americans are confused as to how our police can opperate without guns. Well we're surprised that American cops are so inapt that they need guns. To have an officer at the school only happens in the most extraordinary circumstances, even theft, assault and battery which are criminal offences are often dealt with appropriately by the school.
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Stevie
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posted November 03, 2015 06:25 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:27, 03 Nov 2015.
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At the end of the day all that matters to me is that a bratty kid not listening to reason even when faced with the police got what she rightfully deserved. You may double think your way into it, going around different scenarios, but that just wishful thinking that just manages to miss the point - sometimes things degenerate to the level where the ONLY answer is physical force. And if you cannot make peace with that for whatever idealistic reason or SJW bullsnow, then all I'm left to hope for is that the day will come when you'll have to face such a situation. Trust me, it's an eye opener, it'll do you good.
Note: not specifically replying to anyone.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted November 03, 2015 06:29 PM |
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Force? How did it come to that lol, what broken system requires THAT kind of force? Lol, we have chavs a plenty that resist and are disrputive, but you have to have a teacher and principle of extreme incompetence to have so little control.
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Stevie
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posted November 03, 2015 07:02 PM |
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When understanding of authority fails, fear of authority is all that's left. I'm training to become a teacher, my family's been in the business for generations, and I've seen things for myself so believe me I'd know. The guy went overboard, I'll give you that, but he was not wrong in principle. Oh, and I definitely do not agree with the teacher and principal being incompetent, they actually played it by the book. Plus, their field competence is determined by the intellectual and educational results they bring, not by managing the temper tantrums their students might have.
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posted November 03, 2015 07:24 PM |
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A teacher or any authority must command respect. That I agree with.
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fred79
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posted November 03, 2015 07:36 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 19:39, 03 Nov 2015.
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Tsar-Ivor said:
So what do you propose? Anyone not strong enough to carry themselves gets left behind to hopefully off themselves in quiet cause the strong can't be asked to support the weak?
Ha, don't make me laugh, society would indeed collapse if people thought that way. The girl needs help, period, her conduct was disruptive aye, but the situation would've been dealt cleanly if it were in the UK, how dumb must the school be to not be aware of her circumstances, to our knowledge this is a first instance event, we don't know whether she's always disruptive or w/e.
At the end of the day all that matters is the cop was an idiot, the way he took her down was anything but bloody clean. You treat people like animals and you expect to get positive results, nice.
Americans are confused as to how our police can opperate without guns. Well we're surprised that American cops are so inapt that they need guns. To have an officer at the school only happens in the most extraordinary circumstances, even theft, assault and battery which are criminal offences are often dealt with appropriately by the school.
it looks like you were replying to me with this(correct me if i'm wrong), so i'll reply.
what does the strong and the weak have to do with anything? i never alluded to anything of the sort. what i said was, order should be enforced across the board, because no one is special, or should be treated as such.
the cop did his job how a cop is supposed to do their job:
1. he asked nicely, and was met with noncompliance.
2. he warned her that he would have to take action if he was met with further noncompliance.
3. and he took action just like he said he would. it got somewhat violent when she further resisted, and attempted to attack the officer.
he was called in because others couldn't get the kid to comply. this is how cops have to deal with unruly people. they ENFORCE rules and laws(that's what they're there for).
what gets me, is that this is in a school. a school is for snowing learning, not using whatever technological gadget to communicate to whoever. that's what people are supposed to do AFTER or BEFORE school. why i even have to point this out, is beyond me. i feel like i'm explaining things like i would to children, ffs(which she WASN'T, btw. she was an teenager).
i know that cops get violent with people, and many times with lack of reason, but this ISN'T one of those instances. people are certainly mistaken that it is, though.
and tsar, i never mentioned foreign cops and how they deal with situations, because that doesn't apply in this particular situation. this was just a cop doing his job. in many other instances, not so(and i would be on the other side of this argument, if that were the case). but this one, yes; the cop was doing his job the way he's supposed to.
BECAUSE cop violence is aired more and more(hell, ALL violence is aired more and more), people see things differently here. you have to see it on a case-by-case basis, which everything is.
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posted November 03, 2015 07:37 PM |
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And in China, the mayor of london Boris Johnson rams into a young kid while playing some rugby-like game and no one even cares a damn. Ayy nature, you're scary.
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posted November 03, 2015 07:41 PM |
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She was disrupting the class. The teacher tried several times to correct her. She continued her disruptive behavior. The teacher told her to get out but she would not.
The teacher called in a councillor. She too was ignored.
The school called the cops. The cop tried to reason with her. She ignored the cop even when warned she would be arrested. The cop gave her orders to submit to arrest. She would not. The cop made a move to take her into custody. She punched him in the face. He drug her out of the classroom.
She is an entitled brat who most likely was not disciplined at home an thus never learned to submit to authority. As a result she will continue to be a blight on society.
Sadly whenever a white cop has any sort of use of force to arrest a black person he has a high probability of losing his job these days. Political correctness destroys societies and lives.
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posted November 03, 2015 07:48 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:49, 03 Nov 2015.
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The thing that bothers me the most from all this is that you have to explain this type of things to adults in the 21st century. Because for some reason society cannot comprehend use of physical force against the unruly, especially when it comes to kids. No, everyone is misunderstood and needs special treatment...
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posted November 03, 2015 07:50 PM |
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Elodin said:
Political correctness destroys societies and lives.
i agree. it's just another form of individualism that is used to further seperate, and more often than not, used to abuse the masses. it's funny, because it comes in the form of equality, when it is really anything but.
just like feminism, come to think of it.
just like how the patriot act came in the form of "civilian safety", too. most people don't read into things as much as they should, and only take them at their face value.
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kiryu133
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posted November 03, 2015 07:59 PM |
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You never, ever use violence or force against stundents or children. Never ever. No buts, exceptions or infringements. If you use force on childre, how do you think they're going to act when adult? Violent, forceful and disruptive is how they'll end up. The only way of dealing with unruly youth is calmly. If that doesn't wor you are to be Patient and understanding and let the child figure it out. This is basic stuff. You are never to be aggressive, abusive, violent or any of the sort. NEVER.
Stevie said:
No, everyone is misunderstood and needs special treatment...
No, Violence creates violence.
Elodin said:
Treating people with respect destroys societies and lives.
Oh snow off. That's a bunch of bull. You just want an excuse to be an snow.
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posted November 03, 2015 08:08 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Stevie said:
No, everyone is misunderstood and needs special treatment...
No, Violence creates violence.
Violence and physical correction are two fundamentally different things in scope - one is destructive and one is constructive. I'm not about to teach educational psychology here, I'm done.
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posted November 03, 2015 08:16 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 20:19, 03 Nov 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
You never, ever use violence or force against stundents or children. Never ever. No buts, exceptions or infringements. If you use force on childre, how do you think they're going to act when adult? Violent, forceful and disruptive is how they'll end up. The only way of dealing with unruly youth is calmly. If that doesn't wor you are to be Patient and understanding and let the child figure it out. This is basic stuff. You are never to be aggressive, abusive, violent or any of the sort. NEVER.
Stevie said:
No, everyone is misunderstood and needs special treatment...
No, Violence creates violence.
Elodin said:
Treating people with respect destroys societies and lives.
Oh snow off. That's a bunch of bull. You just want an excuse to be an snow.
how very adult of you. i apologize for not being able to reach you. maybe i should try harder? i'll use softer words, if what i have said so far was too intimidating. let me know if you wish to continue. i wouldn't want to force my ideas on you, merely teach you that the world is not this fantasy that you seem to think it is.
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posted November 03, 2015 08:19 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The only way of dealing with unruly youth is calmly.
And since children are extremely sensitive and knowledgeable they will understand that being unruly is bad, because momma said it's bad, it's not like they ever rebel against their parents.
What is it with people to reason in such absolutes? A slap isn't equal as a beating and isn't equal to abuse, there is a difference between slapping a kid because he's unruly and slapping him for the sake of it.
It's bad to take the belt and whiplash a kid, but don't tell me a slap is equal to lashes of a whip, sometimes people have to be turned to reason through violence, or do you think people are all so understanding.
Besides, politically correct behaviour disrupts society, it isn't treating people with respect, it's treating them as children, censoring the mean words won't help people to become more assertive, instead it will make them extremely sensitive once somebody actually insults them.
Yes, there are sensitive people, no, their problem isn't solved by catering to them, instead you should help them become more assertive, because there are terrible people, and those are terribly difficult to change. And by terrible people I mean normal people, because apparently nowadays it takes a little joke to make people mad, go figure...
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posted November 03, 2015 08:21 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 20:22, 03 Nov 2015.
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kiryu133 said:
Elodin said:
Treating people with respect destroys societies and lives.
Oh snow off. That's a bunch of bull. You just want an excuse to be an snow.
Please edit your post as you made up a statement and falsely attributed attributed it to me.
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posted November 03, 2015 08:24 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
The only way of dealing with unruly youth is calmly.
oh, i could just address this one. in fact, i feel compelled to. i can't TELL you how many times i've seen THIS one work. at the stores, in the parking lots, at the mall, on the streets, even with the daycare parents my mom deals with...
just... countless times, that dealing with unruly youth calmly, works. 
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