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posted June 21, 2016 03:57 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 04:02, 21 Jun 2016.

There are more productive ways to stifle Islamic influence on a cultural level. One example that stands out for me is a movie in 2005 called Kingdom of Heaven, which one Harvard historian called "Osama bin Laden's version of history". Instead of worrying about ducks acting and quacking like ducks, we should be thumbing down and ostracizing morons like Ridley Scott who are fully integrated into Western society and make money by selling completely bizarre, and inane propaganda. I'm pointing out a film director, but there are many politicians who also follow a make-believe narrative of life for personal gain (garnishing votes? I don't know.). I'm sure France has them too, otherwise its people wouldn't be turning to the far right. The far right doesn't need real solutions to get votes. It just needs the mainstream to lose its mind.

Muslims as a demographic might not be the best group at integrating for various reasons, but I think dishonest (or just stupid?) Westerners have the lion's share of blame for France's problem .
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posted June 21, 2016 04:31 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 04:34, 21 Jun 2016.

Salamandre said:
I didn't define anything, its you who insist on words, I have no idea why.

I don't care how we name it.

Was just replying to the nationality meaningless. Someone which offers allegiance to another state/organization and harms in the name of aforementioned state/organization is punished by law, this exists in every constitution. In France it is 30 years jail and, until 1980, deprivation of nationality.


There's nothing in the US constitution about how to deal with traitors (I think).

Omar is (was) a mass murderer and also an American citizen. People can't scapegoat this by calling it a foreign attack. Which is what they are doing: they are scapegoating.
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posted June 21, 2016 04:33 AM

Hollywood wont show you the way. That Ridley Scott movie was okay in terms of not demonizing historical figures, but everybody with a common sense or high school education already knew that. The dualism was still there though, as if the world was divided into 2 on an eternal jumpstart.

Anyway, I just had the most terrible fight with my girlfriend. I am drunk, "Keep your hands on the wheel, your eyes upon the road" kind of drunk, and that's something all of us go through whether we drink or not, when war comes, it's frustration and you have to detect it and keep your head above sinking level, you have to breathe, you have to breathe with struggle and remind yourself nobody else has the responsibility to make it easier for you. Anyway, I'm kind of out of context, sometimes you just have to not care and keep on writing.
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posted June 21, 2016 04:34 AM

@Blizardboy

No, the internet is not a country.  The shooter did not identify himself as a citizen of the internet.  He did identify himself as a member of the "califate."  The Islamic State.  He pledged totality to the leader of that nation.  He described himself as a soldier of that nation.

The internet is a tool used to recruit jihadists.  ISIS does not have to send someone to a house to recruit a person.  This is not the middle ages.  They are recruiting using modern technology.

Mateen did take a couple of trips to Saudi Arabia but I do not know if he met with any  jihadists there, but such a meeting was not necessary for him to attack the United States on the behalf of ISIS.  

Mateen became a traitot, declared loyalty to an entity we are at war with and attacked on behalf of that entity.


This is one of the ways Islamic terrorists are waging war on the West.  Recruiting Muslims who are already here rather than sending a group from the Middle East.

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posted June 21, 2016 04:35 AM

blizzardboy said:
There's nothing in the US constitution about how to deal with traitors (I think).


Edward Snowden would love you.

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posted June 21, 2016 04:41 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 04:50, 21 Jun 2016.

Seriously, I don't think there's any articles that specifically talk about that if I remember correctly. I'm not 100% though. I don't really pay attention to the US constitution and am open to correction on this from somebody more knowledgeable.

The French constitution would have had a bigger emphasis on enemies of the state due to the circumstances of when it was being written. It had a highly advanced military & secure borders that rivaled Great Britain and cared a lot more about internal threats.
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posted June 21, 2016 05:00 AM

Article 3 Section 3 gives Congress authority to define and punish treason.

In my opinion one of the charges Mateen's wide and any other US citizen who helped him is treason.


Here is the definition & punishment for treason in the US.

US Code 18 Title 1 Chapter 115 Code 2381

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States."

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posted June 21, 2016 05:21 AM

Right, Elodin beat me to it. The Constitution has quite a bit to say about traitors.

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posted June 21, 2016 05:23 AM

Still. Who wouldn't want a wife that doesn't rat you out even when about to kill people. Such loyalty.

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posted June 21, 2016 09:33 AM

Guys, please. Terror ORGANIZATIONS/GROUPS are nothing new. Arguably, the Jews started with it against the Romans in Galilea, but the IRA has been founded in 1858. It wasn't a nation or state, as wasn't the RAF out of Germany or the ETA. Or the anti-Israel terror groups.
Nor is IS. Just because it's called Islamic STATE, it ISN'T one.

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posted June 21, 2016 09:47 AM

Em? Isis, although it uses terrorism as a tactic, is not a terrorist organization, is a pseudo state led by conventional army, ~30 000 fighters. It holds territory in both Syria and Iraq, maintains extensive military capabilities, controls lines of communication, commands infrastructure, funds itself from taxes and engages in sophisticated military operations. Terrorists actions are a very tiny part of its activities.

Al Qaeda, for example, had only a few dozens of active members, attacked only civilians and could never engage in conventional fight.

To fight it, you must properly define it.

So, please.

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posted June 21, 2016 09:57 AM

I fail to see what the name has to do with the substance. Besides, there's this thing called "state terrorism" if it sounds better to you - many of the modern states with solid footprints in the international relations practice it. That's not to say that ISIS is a real state - it lacks administration, borders, population, recognition and many other things which are the bare minimum for defining an entity as a state. Forcefully controlling some territory doesn't make them a state any more than a gang of bandits who "rule" some neighbourhood.

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posted June 21, 2016 10:03 AM

It has administration, as it collects taxes. It builds infrastructures, provides electricity, water, pays salaries and runs nearly everything from bakeries and banks to schools, courts and mosques. Well, the Islamic vision of all that.

Borders are flexible, depending on military success, but that's not unique. Israel does the same thing.

But yes, names mean nothing.

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posted June 21, 2016 10:32 AM

It is no STATE. The name is propaganda. It's an organization that fights for the formation of a state in an area that has been shaken with wars, civil wars and unrest basically since after the founding of Israel - within the borders of existing states.
You can compare it with any armed independence organization or maybe with the Chinese Warlord era 100 years ago. Except, of course, that their "claims" involve a couple of countries.

It will never be recognized.

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posted June 21, 2016 11:21 AM

It's not even that. ISIS is at best a proxy for other states, it's not like there have been some civil uprising or other type of revolution that led to its creation, even in Syria there are sufficient evidences that all the "depose the bloodthirsty Assad" mess has been triggered from the outside. Its financial umbilical cord leads to the "good Muslims" like Saudi Arabia and Qatar who fight the "bad Muslims" like Syria and Iran with the indirect and sometimes quite direct help of the democratic world. Statehood is not in the plans and has never been in the plans of ISIS' founders, at best they can hope for creating some protectorate under another state or generating a climate for annexation or de facto occupation of territories to "restore peace" or "guarantee security".

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posted June 21, 2016 02:41 PM

ISIS began as a very small terrorist organization.  It is now also a State for all the reasons Salamandre mentioned.  The terrorist organization conquered parts of other nations to form a nation they claim to be the califate.


The leader of ISIS claims to be the political and religious successor  theIslamic prophet Muhammad.  The goal of the terrorist group ISIS was never just to tertorize and remain just another terorist group.  Their goal was to establish a califate, an Islamic nation ruled by the sucessor of Muhammad.  They want this califate to be worldwide.  No other nation has a right to exist and all religions but Islam are to be eliminated.


This is the nation, terrorist group, religious ideology we are at war with. We can pretend there is no war but they will wage war on us nonetheless. They do not seek us to recognize them as just another nation.  The demand to be the only nation. One nation, one world in submission to Allah.
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posted June 21, 2016 03:18 PM

Elodin said:

This is the nation, terrorist group, religious ideology we are at war with. We can pretend there is no war but they will wage war on us nonetheless. They do not seek us to recognize them as just another nation.  The demand to be the only nation. One nation, one world in submission to Allah.


Sounds a lot like the Christian inquisition during the Middle Ages. Though that kind of "terrorism" lasted for hundreds of years and nobody could fight against it.
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posted July 11, 2016 05:54 AM
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Texas Open Carry Laws Blurred Lines Between Suspects and Marchers

DALLAS — As a demonstration against police shootings made its way downtown here on Thursday, it differed from others around the country in one startling way: Twenty to 30 of the marchers showed up with AR-15s and other types of military-style rifles and wore them openly, with the straps slung across their shoulders and backs.

In Texas, it was not only legal. It was commonplace.

The state has long been a bastion of pro-gun sentiment and the kind of place where both Democrats and Republicans openly talk about the guns they own and carry, on their person, in their vehicles, at their offices, at their homes and even in the halls of the Texas Capitol. And in recent years, as gun rights continued to expand, activists have exploited a decades-old freedom to openly carry a rifle in public by showing up at demonstrations with their so-called long guns.

Advocates have carried their rifles at the Alamo in San Antonio and outside mosques in the Dallas suburbs. But city and county leaders said the presence of armed protesters openly carrying rifles on Thursday through downtown Dallas had created confusion for the police as the attack unfolded, and in its immediate aftermath made it more difficult for officers to distinguish between suspects and marchers.

Two men who were armed and a woman who was with them were detained, fueling an early, errant theory by the police that there was more than one gunman.

Mayor Mike Rawlings of Dallas suggested in an interview on Sunday that, in the wake of the attack, he supported tightening the state’s gun laws to restrict the carrying of rifles and shotguns in public.

“There should be some way to say I shouldn’t be bringing my shotgun to a Mavericks game or to a protest because something crazy should happen,” said Mr. Rawlings, a Democrat. “I just want to come back to common sense.”

The state’s open-carry culture, the mayor said, had imperiled people on the streets of Dallas. “This is the first time — but a very concrete time — that I think a law can hurt citizens, police and not protect them,” he said, adding that he was not anti-gun and that he owned a shotgun himself. “I think it’s amazing when you think that there is a gunfight going on, and you are supposed to be able to sort who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.”

According to the authorities, Micah Johnson, 25, opened fire on police officers who were accompanying marchers protesting policing practices. Mr. Johnson, who had been in the Army Reserve, used a rifle to fire from a parking garage and while on foot on the streets below, killing five police officers.

The Dallas police chief, David O. Brown, described to CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday the amount of confusion the armed protesters initially caused.

He said the event had attracted “20 or 30 people” who “showed up with AR-15 rifles slung across their shoulder.”

“They were wearing gas masks,” Mr. Brown said. “They were wearing bulletproof vests and camo fatigues, for effect, for whatever reason.”

When the shooting started, “they began to run,” he said. And because they ran in the middle of the shooting, he said, the police on the scene viewed them as suspects. “Someone is shooting at you from a perched position, and people are running with AR-15s and camo gear and gas masks and bulletproof vests, they are suspects, until we eliminate that.”

“Doesn’t make sense to us, but that’s their right in Texas,” he said. He did not say whether he supported restricting the carrying of rifles on the streets.

On Saturday, President Obama also told reporters that one of the challenges for the Dallas officers who were being shot at was that Texas was an open-carry state. “Imagine if you’re a police officer and you’re trying to sort out who is shooting at you and there are a bunch of people who have got guns on them,” Mr. Obama said.

One of the state’s most prominent open-carry activists, C. J. Grisham, the founder and president of Open Carry Texas, disputed the extent of the confusion caused by marchers carrying rifles. In videos from the scene, he said, “you can see that police are walking right past people who are open-carrying rifles and it’s not a problem. So obviously it’s not that difficult to tell who the good guys and the bad guys are.”

It was unclear what effect the comments from Mr. Rawlings, Chief Brown and Mr. Obama would have on Texas gun laws. Pro-gun Republicans control the governor’s office, the State Legislature and all but one of the nearly 30 statewide elected offices.

Alejandro Garcia, a spokesman for Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, said that Mr. Patrick was “not surprised the president and antigun forces are once again attempting to use a shooting tragedy to score points for their own political agenda.”

The Rev. Terry Holcomb, an open-carry leader and a pastor of the Crossroads Baptist Church in Oakhurst, Tex., said he and others would oppose any efforts to ban the open carrying of so-called long guns as a result of the Dallas attack. “You would expect something like this in New York or California, but it will not see the light of day in Texas,” Mr. Holcomb said. “Let’s just call it for what it is: The liberal left is anti-Constitution and anti-liberty.”

Even Democrats said they were not optimistic that substantial changes to Texas gun laws were in store.

“From my perspective, I don’t see anything changing in Texas,” said Representative Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat, who represents El Paso.

The legality of carrying a rifle on the streets is just one element of a gun culture that continues to define and divide the state. It is not just that many Texans are armed. It is that many are allowed to display the fact that they are armed, and more now do so than at any point in modern Texas history.

Beyond the carrying of rifles in public — a tactic used by a small group of pro-gun advocates — more than one million Texans have state-issued permits to carry concealed handguns. Last year, the Legislature voted to give those with concealed-carry licenses the option of carrying their weapons unconcealed, in holsters on their hips or on their shoulders. That law, which is now in effect, did not affect the carrying of rifles in public.

Lawmakers also allowed students and faculty members at Texas’ public and private universities to carry concealed handguns into classrooms and other campus buildings. The law, which has drawn fierce opposition at many universities, takes effect on Aug. 1.

Amid the confusion on the scene, the Dallas police on Thursday released a picture on social media of one of the armed marchers. The police called the man “a person of interest” and asked for the public’s help in identifying him. That man, Mark Hughes, turned himself in and was later released. The other armed man was not allowed to legally carry a gun, and the police arrested him on a misdemeanor charge. He appeared to still be in custody on Sunday. A woman who was with the two men and who was detained was later released.

A lawyer for Mr. Hughes said that his client was simply exercising his rights in Texas when carrying his rifle at a demonstration. The lawyer, Michael C. Campbell Jr., said, “He’s within the parameters of the law.”
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posted July 12, 2016 01:04 AM

Why should a basic Constitutional right be licenced at all?  Everyone should be free to carry a gun openly or concealed, no liscense required.  


The vast majority of times when you may need a gun for self defense no cop is going to be around.  

I have a right to live so I have a right to defend my life.  That is ONE of the reasons for the Second Ammendment.  Another to to deter government tyranny.  Thomas Jefferson wrote that it is the right and duty of every able bodied citizens to be at all times armed.  An armed population will mitigate crime, terrorism, and tyranny.  As acts of terror continue to increase in frequency & severity it becomes more & more important for everyone to be armed.  We must be as determined to defend ourselves and others as terrorists are to kill us.



Those who hate the thought of other people carrying guns should just live in states that oppress Constitutional rights and pretend that makes them safer.

Gun free zones create danger, not safety.  


Oh, and the Dallas shooter was shooting from a garage, not from the street where some folks were marching armed.

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posted July 12, 2016 01:46 AM

People hold too much faith in the constitution. If the constitution has a flaw in it, will it influence us for all eternity?

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