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Thread: mass shootings in the u.s. This thread is 19 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 · «PREV / NEXT»
Blizzardboy
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posted July 18, 2016 02:36 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 02:41, 18 Jul 2016.

I think the Black Lives Matter motto is a good thought and so I'm supportive of it (I mean, it's not like there's anything about it that is bad), but for the reasons fred said, it's also half-thought-out. Black males murder black males by the bucket and there was never a "Black Lives Matter" movement that sprung up. They didn't give two ****s about black lives until a white cop became part of the equation. Then, and only then, they started mattering, because their life (or lack thereof) was converted into a utilitarian political weapon.

I think the vast majority of its advocates have good intentions and want to express their condolences to the black community.
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fred79
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posted July 18, 2016 02:39 AM

artu said:
@fred

You've been trying to save my life a lot recently but don't worry fred, I'm always polite to strangers.


lol, that was directed at everyone who seemed to be forgetting certain aspects of the issue at hand(i used your post as a response point; the entire post wasn't just for you. ). consider it another public service announcement.

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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 02:41 AM
Edited by Kayna at 02:48, 18 Jul 2016.

fred79 said:
Kayna said:
Can always offer a blow job to, while we're at it. But not to pay for the ticket... for free! Make sure you emphasize on the free part as you offer it, so he cannot arrest you for trying to bribe him.


yeah, we all know you hate cops. they're not on my list of favorite people either(for various reasons), but if you fail to understand their mentality, you fail to understand who can hold power over you. and that would be a mistake on your part.

there are actually good cops out there, man. i've met a couple. even if they had horrible flaws in their way of thinking.


I don't fail to understand them. Oh, I know. But still, isn't it sad that you're nicer than usual because you don't want to get shot at? How else would you explain getting your registrations before he even shows up? Pretty sad state of affairs.

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artu
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posted July 18, 2016 02:51 AM

Elodin said:
Did you read the link in my post? The article also discuses "unarmed" shootings.  In many such shootings the perp is beating the cop or trying to take the cops gun before shot. The term unarmed is deceptive.  It does not mean non-violent.

Yes, I've read it the other day when you first linked it somewhere else. The part about unarmed people getting shot mostly focused on exceptional events like by-standers getting accidentally shot or suspects trying to grab guns and so on. I thought, it was not enough to explain a ratio as drastic as 5 times more.

It's still a good point, though. When you read "unarmed" in a statistic, first thing that comes to your mind is someone getting shot while reaching for their wallet etc. But it isn't necessarily so. Especially, when you also consider the factors Blizz just mentioned.
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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 02:55 AM

Elodin said:


Did you read the link in my post?  Black cops & Hispanic cops are more likely to shoot blacks than white cops are.  Also whites are more likely to be shot in a violent confrontation than blacks are.


Numbers can be rearranged in many ways. One thing I noticed about these numbers, is that everybody seems more likely to shoot blacks than blacks to shoot them. Their race I mean. It's like everybody thinks black people are great targets, even other blacks!

Generalizing about race is a bad argument. When we give an opinion, we're supposed to try to aim at the truth, at the core of the subject. When you make criminal stats according to race, yes, some race pops up higher than others. But if you did crime statistics based on race AND divided them again in rich and poor, you would suddenly find a very smooth line, the percentages would be almost the same between each poor people of each race.

I find it better to generalize about organizations, governments, religions, etc... because in those circumstances, we are generalizing about people that are usually adults and made a choice in joining such groups already.

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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 03:03 AM

Salamandre said:
@artu, I was looking last week at this shocking video and even if I fully condemn the cops poor decisions, you can't say the guy didn't play the idiot, while 3 guns pointed at him.

people can be nuts sometimes. Cops must get a proper training and start protect people, not protect themselves in first place.


The first two shots were arguably justified. The last two shots weren't, it's to avoid possible lawsuits. No witnesses. But they have cameras on their bodies! Well, what's the point of a camera, if they have the audacity to release a video where two gun shots out of four isn't justified?

Something I noticed about people in the law, cops and those above, is that they seem to only need a flimsy cover up to get away with anything. The first two shots were justified and now the last two somehow doesn't count.

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Blizzardboy
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posted July 18, 2016 03:06 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 03:11, 18 Jul 2016.

Elodin said:
Black cops & Hispanic cops are more likely to shoot blacks than white cops are.


And this, I believe, is because many of these black & Hispanic cops grew up in said high-crime, disenfranchised communities and managed to survive it and become police officers, and they hold no illusions about the practical, sociological realities of these communities. They have an awareness that perhaps surpasses the average white officer.

So, if somebody wants to continue to push the envelope that cops are widely racist towards blacks, they really no choice but to posit that black cops themselves are racist towards blacks.
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fred79
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posted July 18, 2016 03:11 AM

Kayna said:
I don't fail to understand them. Oh, I know. But still, isn't it sad that you're nicer than usual because you don't want to get shot at? How else would you explain getting your registrations before he even shows up? Pretty sad state of affairs.


lol, you don't understand me at all. but that's fine, i'm not going to enlighten you. if you think i'm some spineless wimp who doesn't want to be face-raped by an authority figure, i'll let you go on thinking that. that's pretty funny, actually.

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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 03:22 AM

fred79 said:
Kayna said:
I don't fail to understand them. Oh, I know. But still, isn't it sad that you're nicer than usual because you don't want to get shot at? How else would you explain getting your registrations before he even shows up? Pretty sad state of affairs.


lol, you don't understand me at all. but that's fine, i'm not going to enlighten you. if you think i'm some spineless wimp who doesn't want to be face-raped by an authority figure, i'll let you go on thinking that. that's pretty funny, actually.


I wasn't thinking that. It was just a joke. I understand it's pointless to pick a fight that... won't lead to anything good anyways.

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fred79
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posted July 18, 2016 03:33 AM

you were trying to pick a fight over the internet? why? to what end? are you THAT bored, man?

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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 03:34 AM
Edited by Kayna at 03:35, 18 Jul 2016.

Picking a fight as in you with the cop. It's pointless to not obey them . The fight must be done in other manners, other angles than a silly traffic stop.

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posted July 18, 2016 03:53 AM

Kayna said:
The fight must be done in other manners, other angles than a silly traffic stop.


such as?

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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 06:09 AM
Edited by Kayna at 06:19, 18 Jul 2016.

fred79 said:
Kayna said:
The fight must be done in other manners, other angles than a silly traffic stop.


such as?


God. Way too long to explain lol. I'm not even sure the fight can be won in any way. It's a win win relationship between the state ( politicians, extremely rich people ) and it's enforcers ( Cops, military ). Scratch my back and I scratch yours. Cops are defended as part of that relationship, even the bad ones, for many reasons ; the main being to send a message to other, future cops.

If the job of a cop wasn't worth it, not as many would be interested in it, and it could all unravel for our overlords. So cops speaking out against other cops are harassed for the rest of their lives and bad cops are protected unless he was stupid enough to do his bad action in front of 50 witnesses. And heck, many times, that's not even enough pair of eyes to get the guy out of the force.

Standard tricks apply. Keep your phone always ready to record something. Get proof. Give out as little information as possible. Get off facebook and such. If you're already exposed, go protest in the streets. If you're not exposed, keep quiet, maybe you'll find something interesting to do in the future. I think the best thing would be to join them ( cops, military, politicians, extremely rich people ), pretend you're on their side, until a piece of really interesting information presents itself for you to expose. If you do that though, your life will most likely be ruined ; Chelsea Manning is done, Edward Snowden was smart enough to flee to Russia. Good for him. Something that will be even harder as years go by ; people are getting on social media like facebook and writing down their political opinions starting a young age now. The government can easily know who you are now. If they don't currently have the computers required to keep such amount of data, they will in the near future.

I think the biggest problem is to make people understand that they sometimes ruin the lives of citizens. It's hard because our society isn't as bad as many others, where cops get away with it even more often. Most people assume we live in a nice society and will all their lives, if they don't encounter any real problems. It's hard to explain to others the hidden threats since they sugar coat their crap so well and pick their victims carefully. It only happens to others, not to me. Destroying their image of righteousness is a good thing to do, so people can be prepared if one day they get in trouble with any one of them, but sometimes very difficult to do.

One of the greatest things that could be done for humanity imo would be to destroy all information all governments got on their citizens. They're just too good at it now. They can defeat their enemies and their -potential- enemies without ever fighting physically. The level of control they have over us now is so immense compared to the illusion of freedom we're being fed it's incredible.

Some may use violence if they want to. When someone's willing to put their lives on the line for something, well, it just happens. Our powers that be ( cops and above ) will never show that it works, and most likely will act stubborn and not bend to violence. It is, to me, not an honest reply but one where messages sent along with their interpretation is more important than the content. I don't think violence is a good solution, but I do think that just a little bit of violence here and there to wake them up and make them realize they will not always get away with it is good, even though it won't bring any real change. Never using violence would only make us predictable and tempt them into even more violence on us. Basic bully psychology 101.

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Salamandre
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posted July 18, 2016 01:38 PM

Sheriff David Clarke forgot he is black and he has a different viewpoint.

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artu
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posted July 18, 2016 02:47 PM

Salamandre said:
Sheriff David Clarke forgot he is black and he has a different viewpoint.

Lol at this part, it's so OSM:

- Sheriff, thatís a different conversation.
- Every time, every time you donít have a response to something I say, you say ďitís a different conversation.Ē
- We are having two different conversations. Iím talking aboutÖ Iím asking the questions here, youíre answering the questions by asking questions about some other subject weíre not discussing.
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Corribus
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posted July 18, 2016 02:50 PM
Edited by Corribus at 14:51, 18 Jul 2016.

From my view of the video I find that Lemon is a patronizing ass.
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artu
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posted July 18, 2016 02:59 PM

Right or wrong, the sheriff has an actual point of view, the other guy is mostly just trying to be politically correct and trying to lure the Sheriff into doing the same, because they are on live TV and he is the host.
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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 03:09 PM
Edited by Kayna at 15:11, 18 Jul 2016.

David Clarke has good points. It's just that, like almost everybody else, he doesn't see the bigger picture. What the little people want are cops that applies the law on each other as well as us. Failing to mention that is, to me, a lack of comprehension of the subject.

Besides, he says "there is no proof of racist cops", which is absurd. There was a video recently, a black guy started running away from a cop, he pulled a gun, shot him in the back, then dropped a tazer next to the body as a legal excuse to get away with it. A kid was nearby and recorded it on his phone. I guess everybody forgot that already.

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posted July 18, 2016 03:31 PM

So when you shot a white man in the back, is a police blunder and nobody has a reason to protest, when the suspect is black, is a racist thing and all colored people go frenzy. Seriously, I propose a free pass for felonies for all blacks, this way we don't have to worry anymore about racism.
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Kayna
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posted July 18, 2016 03:55 PM

People can protest what they want. They can also not protest if they don't want to. If blacks are taking the streets, it's because they were pushed to, if we take in consideration past history of slavery and such. They got more dots to connect, that's all.

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