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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 06:46 AM |
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The 5 Istari
I would want to be either Radagast or one of the Blue.
Because Gandalf takes a lot of hard work plus real good self control, and Saruman takes hard work plus a real lack of virtue and being a real ******* , in the books he wanted to fight Sauron's troops and get the Ring for himself. It just happened that Rohan was between them. And the Ents. Too bad. 
How about you, Hc-ers ?
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fred79
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posted December 08, 2015 06:58 AM |
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obviously radagast, without the bird snow.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 07:15 AM |
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Good, then I can take up the mantle of one of the Blues.
They supposedly went to the East to stop Sauron's influence. Tolkien didn't finish writing about them, and maybe he didn't even want to write more. Some things are best left up to the imagination of the viewers. And of course, readers.
In the books, Radagast alerted the Eagle King about Gandalf and Saruman. In the first movie, it was that moth.
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posted December 08, 2015 07:21 AM |
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I should reread the books at some point. My 13-year-old hormone raging mind probably glanced over so many little details that I would much better appreciate now. I don't recall Radagast being mentioned at all in the books.
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posted December 08, 2015 07:27 AM |
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The blue wizards are automatically exempt, cause I have no frickin' idea who they are.
I think I would go with Saruman. He's a nice guy, albeit a bit misunderstood. He just wanted to entrepreneur new industries with the help of providing jobs for unemployed orcs, who were, mind you, historically maltreated by the sanctimonious bourgeoisie in Gondor, Rohan, and Rivendell. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of good honest labor, renovation, industrial expansion, and unlimited power over the mortals of Middle Earth.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 07:28 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
I should reread the books at some point. My 13-year-old hormone raging mind probably glanced over so many little details that I would much better appreciate now. I don't recall Radagast being mentioned at all in the books.
Very little actually, and mainly in The Hobbit and in Fellowship. Some fans say that he failed in his mission, as did all the others, aside from Gandalf. Some say he didn't, and the Blues were helpful. it's all opinion now.
blizzardboy said:
The blue wizards are automatically exempt, cause I have no frickin' idea who they are.
I think I would go with Saruman. He's a nice, albiet a bit misunderstood. He just wanted to entrepreneur new industries with the help of providing jobs for orcs, who were, mind you, historically maltreated by the bourgeoisie in Gondor, Rohan, and Rivendell.
The Blues were never described in detail. In fact, even their names are up for debate. lol.
Saruman would not have screwed up so badly if he was more generous to the Ents. But Tolkien was against too much industrialism, and he used Saurman as the baddie for that. And the Orcs were not all evil, many had no choice but to fight for the Dark lord. It's true that many were savages or at the very least primitive, but I feel for them.
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posted December 08, 2015 07:43 AM |
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I had the impression at one point that the Eagle King was one of the Istari, but I guess they're just their own race.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 07:54 AM |
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The Eagles do favors for them, but they're not exactly subordinates. Gandalf made that clear.
And, why did they have to give Beorn a minimal role and make him so mellow in those Hobbit films? In the book, he was a real badass. Cruel, but just.
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posted December 08, 2015 10:55 AM |
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They all have beards so none. 
If I had to pick though I would choose Radagast because he has nature stuff so it works I guess? I would choose Saruman but lets face it even if he did win Eru would have zapped him cold.
Drakon-Deus said:
And, why did they have to give Beorn a minimal role and make him so mellow in those Hobbit films? In the book, he was a real badass. Cruel, but just.
Because the books were not just CG walking and battle scenes.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 11:05 AM |
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The LOTR trilogy has its minor faults, but it was awesome for me, and still is.
The Hobbit trilogy. well, not so good, definitely a few steps back in quality overall. But not terrible either.
The Hobbit should not have been stretched over three films, the second one I dislike especially. And most of the fight scenes, sadly.
Radagast is cool, it's a bit unfair that Gandalf and Saruman got to fight it out while he was in the sidelines. And the Blues were there just for them to be five, I guess. Tolkien didn't care much about them.
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posted December 08, 2015 11:35 AM |
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A pity too, I would have liked some background on them or at least some hints of their work on middle earth. Sadly they were not within the scope of the story.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:28 PM |
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That permeates through many a setting, especially Dragon Age nowadays, where a lot of the 'lore' is vague, unclear or cryptic. Much like Kip said in one of his posts, I loved the russian's fan-fic extension to LotR and it gave Radagast a well-deserved nod. I just could not look back at the ridiculous depiction in the movies in the same way then.
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posted December 08, 2015 04:44 PM |
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TDL said:
That permeates through many a setting, especially Dragon Age nowadays, where a lot of the 'lore' is vague, unclear or cryptic. Much like Kip said in one of his posts, I loved the russian's fan-fic extension to LotR and it gave Radagast a well-deserved nod. I just could not look back at the ridiculous depiction in the movies in the same way then.
When I was in my early teens, I had an idea of the five Istari staying together, and Alatar and Pallando, the Blues, were there to keep balance between the other three, who had greater powers, but in different areas and with different means to accomplish peace and order. And they had to cast votes on decisions, so at least three had to be "for".
Maybe I should write, at least to have it written.
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posted December 08, 2015 05:02 PM |
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Your irony does no justice to either case. You should really have read the book to appreciate how well it was written.
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posted December 08, 2015 05:05 PM |
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What irony and what book? I have read The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion. You blame me for not knowing about Russian fan-fiction ?
I do not have a palantir, you know. 
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fred79
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posted December 08, 2015 05:38 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
I do not have a palantir, you know.
i do. two, actually. i carry them in a sack. you can peer into them, if you like. 
LOL, sorry, had to mayne.
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posted December 08, 2015 05:41 PM |
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fred79 said:
Drakon-Deus said:
I do not have a palantir, you know.
i do. two, actually. i carry them in a sack. you can peer into them, if you like.
LOL, sorry, had to mayne.
No thanks. But if you know how can I make my clothes whiter after fighting a big demon, I am listening.
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posted December 08, 2015 05:44 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
No thanks. But if you know how can I make my clothes whiter after fighting a big demon, I am listening.
i can make your whites more yellow if you fight MY "big demon".
lol, dude, you set yourself up for that one. can't blame anyone but yourself.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 08, 2015 05:52 PM |
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fred79 said:
Drakon-Deus said:
No thanks. But if you know how can I make my clothes whiter after fighting a big demon, I am listening.
i can make your whites more yellow if you fight MY "big demon".
lol, dude, you set yourself up for that one. can't blame anyone but yourself.
I don't blame me or you, because it was amusing.
And in Romanian we sometimes say the word "cock" for the "big demon", or we have a feminine term. Yep, feminine terms for both the male and the female sexual organs.
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posted December 08, 2015 08:17 PM |
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Beorn scenes where cut down because actors drug use went public. What a snow 
Does those 'Mages' appear in Silmarillion? I have never read any LotR world books  I know they aren't my style (too slow). I think i could start whit Silmarillion one day maybe. In LotR movies I often think: What happened before? Story of Sauron interest me, is it told any better in stories before Hobbit? What are these Mages anyway, some sort spirit guardians or.. they are not humans thats for sure..
In this days standards are these books good? I have respect what these books started and many consider them as masterpieces even today. Does the books make you love the world, might be my guestion.
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