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Kayna
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posted December 21, 2015 08:59 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 21:04, 21 Dec 2015.
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Star Wars 7 Spoiler Review
SPOILER ALERT!
You've been warned. For the thread, my first post won't really contain any but I'm not responsible for future posts ha.
I want to say that I find the new Star Wars even a little better than the first three. I give it a solid 8 on 10. It's fun, action packed, just not an intelligent plot and characters aren't -that- memorable.
J.J. Abrams was chosen by Disney because he is a master at copying previous movies, and that's what he did. This star wars' plot is like the same than the 3 first star wars all cramped together in one tight movie.
All the young actors without too much screen time did a great job. This was a pleasant surprise. The movie didn't have enough scenes between action moments to breathe and give more depth to our main characters, which made for a decent, but not exceptional, attachment. Still, better a cramped movie than one that is too long, and if we look back at the first three movies, George Lucas never really did a great job at making his characters memorable, even with all those long moments of dialogue.
Almost all the plot scenes are tied together with luck or coincidences, so often that even the force can't explain them all. This makes for a stupid movie covered up with action, fun and good acting. I'm tired of stupidities like a huge planet contraception blown out by firing 2 missiles at a specific weak point.
Still, having equally memorable characters but with all 3 original movies rolled into one is better, because damn, the first 3 movies were extremely long. It's also miles ahead of the 3 recent prequels, movies made by a depressed George Lucas that didn't even want to go out to film his last 3 movies. The Disney big boss are indeed geniuses, but money is their number one goal, which means to please the four quadrants. Pleasing the four quadrants mean not going on any path that isn't for everyone, and thus, Star Wars will never have unique plots to offer. Under Disney, Star Wars will always be good, but never be a real, artistic masterpiece.
8 on 10. What's your take on the new Star Wars?
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Blizzardboy
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posted December 21, 2015 09:02 PM |
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Mods, please look at the tavern feedback thread. We don't need two star wars discussion threads.
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Maurice
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posted December 21, 2015 10:13 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 22:14, 21 Dec 2015.
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But this one goes open about containing spoilers, while the other one doesn't. I would split them up with different aim: one that is open about the movie for people who've seen it (and contains spoilers) and one that is speculating about it, without spoilers.
As for the movie, I really liked it and enjoyed watching it, but like many science fiction movies it takes the cake on awful concepts on the science department.
First of all, the super weapon absorbs the power of the central star to power up itself. Not only does this require a funnel that stretches across the starsystem itself seemingly with just the installation on the planetary body and no auxilary constructions, but furthermore, when it goes to fire again, it is said that it totally absorbs the power of the central star to fire. There are so many scientific stupidities here, it's unbelievable:
- A small planet harboring the entire energy of the central star?
- Since it already fired once before, how did it charge up that first time?
- It's an ice planet, so obviously it isn't very warm there ... yet, it absorbed the energy of the central star. Even if the containment inside the planet is shielded, the beam itself would incinerate everything on the planet surface for miles around the intake shute.
Also, the beam travels through hyperspace, according to what's said - then yet, why could we all see it? Even Kylo Ren is observing the beam travelling - yet, we don't see ships that travel through hyperspace, so why do we see the beam?
The Hosnian system, which was blown away, is a quarter of the official Galactic chart of the Star Wars universe away from the planet with the stronghold of Maz Katana. Given the distance, the light from the Hosnian system getting blown away takes thousands of years to reach that place - and even when it does, it's pretty much impossible to discern, given how small the planets are at that distance.
Quite frankly, when they mentioned the name of the super weapon to be "Starkiller", I assumed it would destroy the central star of the targeted system, blowing away all planets along with it.
It was very clear the actors were all young and trying to fill a role that was a slight bit too large for their experience. The acting of Daisy Ridley (Rey) was a bit wooden at times, but then again, wasn't that the same for Mark Hamill during episode IV? It didn't really bother me, in any case.
People say the same about Adam Driver (Kylo Ren), that he doesn't come across as a convincing bad guy like Darth Vader or Count Dooku, but in my eyes, that was exactly the point. Darth Vader and the other Darths of the previous movies all had a long span of experience, they were well trained and had a cold en controlled approach. Not so the case with Kylo Ren: he was a young dog, imbalanced and his training wasn't complete (said so by Supreme Leader Snoke near the end). That he has emotional control issues is clear up to twice when he trashes some computer terminals in his anger, something no Sith in the movies ever did. Also, he quickly controlled Rey during the assault on Maz Katana's stronghold, but in their confrontation at the end, he failed hard - partially due to her increased Force powers, but also because he was totally imbalanced and losing control (killing his own father had a serious emotional impact on him, too).
His role was not to try to fill the big shoes of Darth Vader but to show that he was trying, something in which he succeeded wonderfully well.
Overall I tend to give it 8/10. It's an entertaining movie and physics liberties aside, very enjoyable to watch. It's clearly a Star Wars movie, yet with its own style. I have high hopes for Episode VIII and hope to see a more mature Rey as well as more mature and stable Kylo Ren  .
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Gryphs
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posted December 21, 2015 10:22 PM |
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I was thinking the same with Starkiller base, but I kind of stopped trying to make sense of Star War's tech after the Death Star.
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Kayna
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posted December 21, 2015 10:58 PM |
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Edited by Kayna at 22:59, 21 Dec 2015.
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Indeed, I liked the vulnerability of our new bad guy. As in inexperienced. Darth Vader could've been far more interesting as well, had George Lucas told us the complete story in his movie, like how his suit is made without any insulation so his master can kill him at any moment with his lightning, how he can only breathe in specific capsules, and stuff like that.
Also, the first order looks too much like damn Nazi's.
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Gryphs
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posted December 21, 2015 11:04 PM |
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Kayna said:
Also, the first order looks too much like damn Nazi's.
I loved that to be honest. I mean it really gave that rally before they fired their weapon a good evil feel.
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posted December 22, 2015 01:49 AM |
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I'm not a huge fan of SW. I watched Episodes 3, 5 and 6 a couple of weeks ago more in the attempt to understand a bit of the history.
Went watching 7 on Saturday. I was marginally pleased with the result, somehow expecting some events to happen the way they happened, but the movie felt alive and, in spite of all CG, it didn't felt overwhelming like Episode 1-2.
Hopefully, perhaps, next movies take a bit of a more somber demeanor as things get more and more intense. Still felt the movie only 'too happy' for such galaxy menace.
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Homer171
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posted December 22, 2015 02:01 AM |
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You copycat 
I'll give a review of it, later.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 22, 2015 04:14 PM |
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Empire and 1st order both looked like nazi copycats...
I agree with Maurice and Kayna on Ren.
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Kayna
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posted December 23, 2015 03:23 AM |
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blizzardboy
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posted December 23, 2015 04:32 PM |
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Kayna said:
Also, the first order looks too much like damn Nazi's.
It was a pretty generic military salute, but yeah, I know what you mean.
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frostymuaddib
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posted December 23, 2015 04:44 PM |
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Maurice said:
Quite frankly, when they mentioned the name of the super weapon to be "Starkiller", I assumed it would destroy the central star of the targeted system, blowing away all planets along with it.
I think that was a nod to Luke's original surname. Lucas wanted to name him Luke Starkiller
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 23, 2015 05:51 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Maurice said:
Quite frankly, when they mentioned the name of the super weapon to be "Starkiller", I assumed it would destroy the central star of the targeted system, blowing away all planets along with it.
I think that was a nod to Luke's original surname. Lucas wanted to name him Luke Starkiller
Correct. And he was in the earlier scripts.
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Maurice
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posted December 23, 2015 07:13 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
I think that was a nod to Luke's original surname. Lucas wanted to name him Luke Starkiller
Yeah, I know . It was just that I thought they would make the weapon live up to its name. I guess they felt it more original to once again blow up individual planets.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 23, 2015 07:22 PM |
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Honestly, a weapon destroying entire star systems instantly is nothing original and feels like overpower... so, Starkiller and Death Star better. 
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Storm-Giant
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posted December 23, 2015 10:27 PM |
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Finally got to watch ep VII with my friends. And I enjoyed it!
First things first, the movie isn't perfect by any means. It recycles waaaay too much from the original series (ep IV in particular) and at many points it was way too predictable. Respecting the first trilogy is fine by me, however, in this film they go too far for my taste...
That aside, it recaptures the essence of the original trilogy, and most importantly, the film serves well when it comes to reconnect with the original trilogy (and their characters) while introducing the new ones. Poe Dameron was great, but we didn't see him enough to give a proper opinion. Rey was stiff sometimes, yet I see potential in her character (I guess we'll explore her past in the next film). Finn was okay, but he didn't quite convince me. Kylo Ren was fantastic, he never finished his training with any master, his past comes to haunt him and that plays very well in explaining his instability.
It's a good thing they didn't explain everything in the first movie, at some point I was fearing they would throw you everything at your face here
IMO episodes VIII are IX will be what truly make or break this trilogy. Ep VII does a good job at introducing the new chars & recapturing the SW feeling, and that's what I was hoping they didn't mess up. So yay from me in this aspect
Lowish eights sounds like a fair rating for this film. Not a masterpiece, but certainly not a bad one. Can't wait to see it in the original dub.
PS: Mixed feelings with the soundtrack. I loved some of the new scores, but others went unnoticed to me, like they didn't had the same presence than in other films
Edit: forgot about Captain Phasma...I wonder why
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Gryphs
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posted December 23, 2015 11:04 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Edit: forgot about Captain Phasma...I wonder why
I hope they give her a more important role next time.
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The_green_drag
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posted December 24, 2015 01:08 AM |
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@stormgiant
Nice review I feel pretty much the same about most points. Although I thought Finn was a cool character and I thought the actor did a good job. He didn't seem 100% human to me, which is what I would have wanted from a renegade clone trooper. He seems to have a kind of programmed way of thinking and I loved it.
Totally agree about the music. Idk if it's because it needs time to set in and for me to see the rest of the movies...but I didn't get that "wow" feeling I get when I see the other films. Even the prequels had some great tracks. But I heard nothing even close to the music during the Hoth battle for instance, or when Luke is looking at the sunset in episode 4.
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Pawek_13
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posted December 24, 2015 12:56 PM |
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@Storm-Giant and @The_Green_Drag:
I had had a similar attitude towards the soundtrack until I began listening to it. Now I can safely say it is as good as in every other "Star Wars" movie.
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Storm-Giant
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posted December 24, 2015 01:43 PM |
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I'm not doubting its quality, just...I didn't took notice of it on some parts. Which is strange, I love SW music and I usually feel when watching the other trilogies
BTW, Han Solo was...Han Solo. It may sound dumb, but Harrisond Ford performed exactly as an aged Solo should do. There was no "baaah, Ford is too old for this snow" like after Cristal Skull, here he was back to his scoundrel persona, no complains
Sadly Carrie Fisher acting was subpar, age hasn't been too kind on her.
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