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Maurice
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posted December 25, 2015 11:50 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 23:51, 25 Dec 2015.
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Salamandre said:
So for me the movie turned from StarWars to Cosmic Expendables, where the simple fact of being on the good side makes you invincible and where the bad guys miss all their shots.
When Obi Wan and Luke reach the Sandcrawler in Ep IV with the killed Jawa's, Obi Wan mentions that only Imperial Stormtroopers shoot that precise.
Later on, when the bunch rushes into the hangar towards the Falcon and Luke notices Obi Wan battling with Vader, stormtroopers from across the hangar are shooting at our main heroes. They all miss (the lot of them combined, not one even scores a glancing hit). Then Luke takes a shot at the door controls (further away from him than the stormtroopers trying to shoot our poor and rather stationary Luke) to shut down the blast doors, so Vader can't reach them - and he hits it in a single shot.
To quote you, apparently "the simple fact of being on the good side makes you invincible and where the bad guys miss all their shots."
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posted December 26, 2015 12:38 AM |
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Um, and whats the point? That once Luke got lucky and shoot right so is same as the whole non sense we got in the last sequel?
We have endless examples in that episode of Luke's fragility. There are several poetical moments, supported by epic music, where he is uncovered as vulnerable, as hesitant, as HUMAN. This way, you can balance the positive achievements with the out of luck ones. This is successful movie direction.
Basically, the last episode has not a single original idea, EVERYTHING is borrowed from previous then used in a jumble, without any real plot, there is no chemistry between actors (even the kiss between Rey and Fin ans the end looks so awkward and unexpected as they shared nothing else than running away all the time), the main bad guy has teenager tempers, he forgets to use his force skills when it matters; even the music is inexistent, I expect Williams had a stroke when he watched it and could only deliver a generic compilation that would be appropriate to the film.
Star Wars was never on the surface in terms of depth, it had poetry, compelling spiritual battles, growing momentums that led -almost always to a satisfying and well paced conclusion. For me, the last episode is on the same level as last Jurrasic Park, last Avengers, last four fantastics, or last [insert here legendary name], a successful recipe extended once more without any creativity, in order to supply the money making machine.
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posted December 26, 2015 05:51 AM |
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I think Han Solo's problem is his partner, chewbaca. The contrast between Han Solo's acting and Chewbaca's "rawr" is so absurd it makes me laugh.
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posted December 27, 2015 05:14 PM |
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Seriously Salamandre...
Episodes 4-6 all involve the band of protagonists getting away with zero casualties in outnumbered situations on multiple occasions. The Death Star. The Death Star Space Battle. Hoth. Cloud City. Tatooine (episode 6). Endor. Death Star II.
I think you're either being unfairly harsh on episode 7, or wearing rose-colored glasses towards the old episodes, or both.
I don't personally mind or think they overdo it too much. So they take liberty in stretching the luck of the main characters. Almost every show/movie does.
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posted December 27, 2015 05:21 PM |
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It is how I feel it.
I see nowhere me accusing people who liked this crap of wearing pink glasses. Or this thread is only for positive reviews? I already skipped your thread because you asked those with negative opinion to not post, so why you bother me here?
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posted December 27, 2015 05:46 PM |
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You're allowed to feel what you feel. Just saying. I don't think episode 7 is any more generous towards the protagonists than the other ones. There's a difference between not liking a movie and not liking movie because of something that you're willing to excuse in older episodes.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:11 PM |
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Yes perhaps.
But my main complaint is that none of actors have any charisma (for me) and, during the movie, I don't feel neither any positive chemistry between characters. Therefore I am more picky about details, because a) I feel indifferent when Fin is on screen b) Rey is bland, not as hot as Leia (at 20) or Portmann, c) Ford and Leia (the mummified one) are not as electric as they were before d) the bad guy is making me giggle while in previous I had a heart stroke each time Vader or the Sith made their appearance.
So is a sum of deceptions which leaves me more attentive to plot failures.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:17 PM |
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Rey would probably be hotter if she was fuller bodied, but I guess they wanted her kind of bony since she's a scavenger.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:20 PM |
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I think she can be very hot, but there was no male* in this episode worth of her (Fin is nowhere a handsome man) so finally we end by ignoring her femininity, as there is no manifestation of it.
*Edit: I am wrong, the first guy, the pilot was hot and charismatic. They should have kept him, replace Fin with, and make him and rey have sex by the end.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:30 PM |
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Rey is becoming a Jedi and I don't think she'll have a romance.
Maybe Carrie Fisher will snag Finn?
There are currently no romantic relationship developing, which I think is quite cool. It's going to gross past Avatar to the number 1 of all time and it doesn't have any romance 
Finn is a handsome man and definitely romance potential, but they're probably not going to have a black guy lead the romance role. It sounds awful, but seriously. Think about.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:37 PM |
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Rey's goodbye kiss with Finn didn't have any sexual innuendos. For her, Finn is like a brother and she feels responsible for him but clearly she has no interest in him as a future boyfriend material, what was especially clear after Finn asked her about 'a cute boyfriend.' Additionally, there are rumours of newly-casted actress for Episode VIII, which is also told to be Finn's girlfriend.
Speaking of Rey's body - Daisy Ridley had to gain quite a bit of muscle for this role. She was thinner before being cast for Star Wars.
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posted December 27, 2015 06:40 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Maybe Carrie Fisher will snag Finn?
Of no, this will be a form of blatant racism.
On a serious note, I think Fin's beauty is not the one we expect in such movie, and to trigger a romance. He is rather puffy guy. Okay, I am not gay so my advice is clearly noobish, but I would much prefer a guy like Will Smith or Samuel Jackson (such type I mean, ofc they too old) in such roles, they have both comic and dramatic potential, which Fin doesn't seem to have, YET.
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Maurice
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posted December 27, 2015 07:39 PM |
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Salamandre said:
(Fin is nowhere a handsome man)
I don't mean this in any form of criticism, purely out of curiousity: why do you keep calling him "Fin", instead of "Finn"? The latter is the correct name, but I guess there may be a reason why you call him like you do?
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posted December 27, 2015 07:42 PM |
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I saw it in french version, had no idea that is two "n" and didn't pay attention much. Sorry, Finn then.
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posted December 27, 2015 09:22 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Rey's goodbye kiss with Finn didn't have any sexual innuendos. For her, Finn is like a brother and she feels responsible for him but clearly she has no interest in him as a future boyfriend material, what was especially clear after Finn asked her about 'a cute boyfriend.' Additionally, there are rumours of newly-casted actress for Episode VIII, which is also told to be Finn's girlfriend.
Speaking of Rey's body - Daisy Ridley had to gain quite a bit of muscle for this role. She was thinner before being cast for Star Wars.
I thought Finn and Rey were like the new version of Luke and Han, with Rey being a Jedi but more like Han, and Finn being more like Luke but with a darker past.
Episode VIII had better be great.This one was like a huge teaser for it. 
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Maurice
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posted December 27, 2015 10:37 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I saw it in french version, had no idea that is two "n" and didn't pay attention much. Sorry, Finn then.
No need to be sorry; I guess French dubbing is to blame here  .
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posted January 03, 2016 12:57 AM |
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Edited by Minion at 01:46, 03 Jan 2016.
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Salamandre said:
So for me the movie turned from StarWars to Cosmic Expendables, where the simple fact of being on the good side makes you invincible and where the bad guys miss all their shots.
This is somewhat ironic considering almost in all of movie history there aren't worse shooters than Stormtroopers in the original Star Wars trilogy
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posted January 03, 2016 01:10 AM |
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Salamandre said:
I think she can be very hot, but there was no male* in this episode worth of her (Fin is nowhere a handsome man) so finally we end by ignoring her femininity, as there is no manifestation of it.
Yeah but he got a big junk though. Carrie Fisher will definitely grab him if no other girl does.
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posted January 03, 2016 10:15 PM |
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lol The only question is, who do we have to bribe to make a Leia/Finn romance.
In other news: The Force Awakens has officially sailed past the Titanic and will pass Avatar within a few days (US domestic sales). It's still further behind in worldwide sales, but that's only because it's not releasing in China till the 9th.
I saw it for the 3rd time yesterday, and each time I watch it, I become more impressed with what fantastic new actors we have and J.J. Abrams' intelligent directing. I notice little details I didn't pick up on before, such as Rey wearing Finn's jacket while she is outside in the cold, and then Finn wearing his jacket again once he's back inside the Starkiller base. What a gentleman. Steven Spielberg has also said that he's gone to see it three times and will likely go again.
The atmosphere & visuals: superb work, and not overly dependent on CGI.
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posted January 03, 2016 10:23 PM |
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It's a solid opener to this third part of the saga for me, and they did very well with the original characters as well as introducing the new, and the plot was similar enough to A New Hope but also with enough tweaks to make it work.
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