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markkur
markkur


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Once upon a time
posted December 25, 2015 02:29 PM

Rambling with Pain

@ Fred

Brought this here since maybe this year JJ would like to celebrate his birthday next year too. If he says Yes, then I will delete any pain reference in his B-day thread.<LOL> He should be the only one mentioning pain on the day. I'm too helpful for my own good.


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@ markkur: my scoliosis causes unending back pain, but i only realize that pain is there when i take heavy pain medication; because then i realize what is missing. meaning, my pain has been so constant, and it's been so long, that i don't realize it's there anymore(i can't feel it), until i take strong pain medication. after that pain medication wears off, the pain coming back from my scoliosis makes it hard to move, at least for a couple hours or so. which is why i no longer take pain medication. i'd rather be blissfully unaware.

it must really suck to not have that kind of pain go away, or at least to be so constant that you are numb to it. it may sound weird, but have you tried increasing your pain threshold by other means, in order for the pain you feel currently to be less intense? have you tried electrotherapy yet?


I tried everything. The first was 'physical therapy'. I did a solid month of daily-visits to a rehab-clinic. This was before I understood what was happening to my bones and so I was a very willing dupe. After the month? No change. Then my logic started bypassing the rhetoric & preset Dogma of Medical professionals. "If I used all of my body all my life, how in the heck is this stuff going make a difference?" You see most MDs, by default, think every person has been a lazy, idle couch-denizen.

I worked with lead for 22 years. You will find this hard to believe but for one stretch of a year and a half I worked 6 ten hour days and each day lifted on average 30,000 pounds. That is about 180,000 pounds each week. One week would probably be more than the average man lifts in his lifetime. When the surgeon cut my back open, he said he'd never seen back muscles like mine. Most of us had terrible carpal-tunnel; on my right wrist I had a solid lumb as large as my thumb and worked every day like that.

The other baddy about lead is that our body stores the stuff in the marrow of our bones. Since lead is poison, I suspect it contaminated the "cell-communications" in my spine and ofc, all hell would eventually break-loose as evident from my Aky-Spon symptoms. (rampant bone-spurs too)

I know this is what happened but imagine some poor lad like me getting anywhere in a court of law? In the end, I accepted the work, so the sad-song is on me but then again they could have told us all just HOW deadly the stuff could be and that their protections were mere guesses and data-collection. But in America? it is...business 1st!!! Interesting to note; today I think the whole industry is moved to other shores where the bother of worker health is of no concern.


Magic juice was given to me and more pills tried than I ever thought possible could exist. At times, Designer stuff, fresh from the pill-press or capsule-stuffer. No avail and worse, almost without fail...they made things worse. One, I did not quit till it was too late, was the <ahem> harmless N-saids like Ibuprofen. After prescribed daily doses of 2000 mg for a few years, I had to quit once I found I had not been able to feel the damage inflicted on my entire digestive-track caused by the toxic stuff. Seriously, when I quit that crap it had all the side-effects of coming off any serious narcotic. I never was an alcoholic but I have witnessed the DTs (that terrible shaking) in others and mine was nearly as bad for a few days. When your nerves are buzzing like an electrical-plant, sleep is not easy.

I did a trial run of the electrical therapy stuff for weeks and the result was it absolutely irritated my entire nervous system; now I know why Frankenstein was so angry in the movies. My logic finally yelled; "If my nerve-highways are clogged beyond belief already, why would I introduce more interference?"

Pain is relative but I think my pain is truly severe and if any were to step into it out of the blue? I think it would be a tad shocking. Years back my thoracic region began fusing together on its own. I'm blessed, some folks have paid for that. My cervical has formed a large bone-knot in the center of my neck. My lumbar is pinching both sciatic nerves, thus my legs have lighting bolts shooting down to my toes and causing my legs to suddenly jolt in reaction. Can be a bit tricky when holding a glass of liquid.

I'll organize my thoughts later one, I just woke, sort-of.

Fred, If you're able tell me how your stuff came about.

Anyone else can post about Pain and anything that revolves around the stuff. Pain is no private party. I believe it is far better to read and discuss this stuff and at any time in life. Pain seems to show up in most lives in some form or another.

In the meantime...Merry Christmas HC  
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Celfious
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posted December 25, 2015 02:41 PM

Yes about twice a month now I get severe pain for about an hour. I would call it upper abdominal but it feels like the exact spot where people would punch someone so they lose their breath for a bit. Solar plexus I believe it is called.

Sometimes the pain is so bad, while other times it's simply hard to bear with. Over the past couple of years I have determined that sitting, standing, stretching, or anything else doesn't help make the pain any more bearable. I used to sit and wait things out but now I'll try to take the attitude of walking or working instead of sitting. The pain is there and relaxing doesn't help so I might as well bear with it and stuff..

Sometimes it is keep I over pain. Hard to breath and please don't ever take offense if I tell you to leave me alone. I understand people thinking getting in my space asking for explanations and offering advice but really hurts to talk so leave me alone I'm sorry.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 25, 2015 02:46 PM
Edited by Drakon-Deus at 14:49, 25 Dec 2015.

Both physical and emotional pain are powerful instruments of change. I know that.

Merry Xmas!

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Sleeping_Sun
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posted December 25, 2015 04:16 PM

I hope that none of you will ever experience a severe pain in the sack 'tween your legs. I experienced this pain because I have a cyst there... Imagine that someone puts a cannon ball inside the sack: It is big, heavy, it hurts, and you have no idea what to do with it or how to ease the pain... I can assure you that you won't be able to sit, lay, stand, and practically your entire existence becomes the embodiment of pain. It is not good if you move, but it is not good if you are still. The area that is engulfed in pain is the lower part of the stomach, the sack, and from there the pain continues through your legs, almost all the way down to the knees... Fortunately, it is over. But from time to time, the pulsing pain returns for a day or two.

Merry jingle bells!

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Homer171
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posted December 25, 2015 06:00 PM

Good think i eat before i came here

I somewhat hate the saying: There's something to learn from every experience, what does not kill you, makes you stronger.

Not completely a lie but does not help you much when you're in pain. Yeah, thank you, now i feel so much better, I might say.

Pain is annoying, fear, death, all that can be dealth whit but pain

Well, I guess there is something to learn from anything, hey now aim doing it! Lesson is, there is none
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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 25, 2015 06:44 PM

What does not kill you can make you weaker physically and emotionally for sure, but if and when you OVERCOME the pain, you do become better.

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Sleeping_Sun
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posted December 25, 2015 07:59 PM

The more you are exposed to pain the more you are able to endure it. That's what I believe. Also...

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Baronus
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posted December 25, 2015 08:04 PM

Pain and suffering in our fell World are like a fight. In M&M we have a lot of fight. Real war is like ocean of pain. People are dying, are wounded, all it is horrible. In peace time we have pain. Why? See Bible and firstborn sin. We all are fell. This is in our failed nature. Pain is from satan. He gives it our. See Jobs history. God measure it for our good. Satan can't give it more. Its our fight in this World.
Spirit pain is worst. Especialy when man is bad and harm people. Christ life in our planet it was pain. And the worst Jesus pain was spirit pain. Therefore that people turn down His Sacrifice. And going to hell... This is the worst. All people who suffer innocent are like Jesus. Join my pain to His pain... That is the best. Thinking about Jesus Cross Road help in pain. It is the best cure. I don't tell it's simple but this is the best.
I wish you all good and God! Courage!

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Salamandre
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posted December 25, 2015 08:24 PM

Ghost registered a second account?

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Baronus
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posted December 25, 2015 09:36 PM
Edited by Baronus at 21:37, 25 Dec 2015.

If it to me that no, me is me.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 25, 2015 09:57 PM

"Spiritual pain" is not a really good term though, I just prefer physical and emotional, for what it's worth.

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Baronus
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posted December 25, 2015 11:30 PM

All kinds of pain are our experience. No of these is pleasant. All are good for our spirit. God knows, we don't.

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Svartzorn
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posted December 25, 2015 11:49 PM

Markkur, have you tried Acupuncture? Just a guess.
Seems to me that everyone here is pretty f-ed up o_o I have no  such predicaments in my life fortunately.
I'd basically go with what Baronus said on an increased level.
Aaaaand... Sleeping_Sun, I do have a cyst in there as well, but it only bothers me every once in a while. Hurts like the sh*ts, but I think it's not the worst case.
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Sleeping_Sun
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posted December 26, 2015 12:07 AM

@Svartzorn
Yo, sack cyst brother! When the cyst appeared it was really nasty because it was getting bigger. And the more it got bigger the more pressure it put on the surrounding organs/tissue/whatever... Anyway, for me it was a living hell, and I wouldn't want even my arch enemy to go through the same experience... The pulses that occasionally return aren't that disabling, but as you say they really hurt...

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 12:12 AM

Markkur, the best advice I can give you is go to Canada and legally get heroin, which is allowed as painkiller in Canada and in Britain - it's still the best pain killer, has less side effects thaneverything comparable and the only downside is - it's addictive, but when you suffer from permanent pain, you are addicted to painkillers anyway, right?
That may sound like a radical idea, but it isn't. The purpose is to kill a maximum of pain with a minimum of RELEVANT side effects - case closed.

I don't believe in senseless suffering. Why would you deal with animals more "human" than with humans?

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Svartzorn
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posted December 26, 2015 01:14 AM

Uuuh... are we talking about this guy getting a lot of drugs/medication without considering the side effects this amount of drug usage will do to him?
Heroin? Really? Won't that destroy him quite literally?
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markkur
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posted December 26, 2015 08:18 AM

JollyJoker said:
Markkur, the best advice I can give you is go to Canada and legally get heroin, which is allowed as painkiller in Canada and in Britain - it's still the best pain killer, has less side effects thaneverything comparable and the only downside is - it's addictive, but when you suffer from permanent pain, you are addicted to painkillers anyway, right?
That may sound like a radical idea, but it isn't. The purpose is to kill a maximum of pain with a minimum of RELEVANT side effects - case closed.

I don't believe in senseless suffering. Why would you deal with animals more "human" than with humans?


Thanks JJ. I cannot travel far in a car, way to much torture by every freakin' road-bump. I have no moola anyway.

I have to highlight your last comment. America is a very strange place because it seriously lacks Logic when It comes to drugs. You see, Big-Drug-Companies rule our lives.

If you actually have horrible pain you are treated, at best, as a charlatan seeking a buzz and at worst, low-life-scum only seeking euphoria.

I went to a "new pain clinic" for a consultation. I listened to the nice smug lady give me her <ahem> program details. After a decade of failure from so many know-it-all experts, I asked; "And what if I jump through all of your hoops, ring all of your bells and blow all of your whistles and it turns out that I do need the narcotics to survive a bit longer in a lessened state of misery? She would under no circumstance prescribe a proven narcotic; that's the compassion people face now.

The real drug addicts are the target for all Government red-tape and no one seems to care that what the Gov. conjures actually causes serious pain and problems for real damn patients.

But when it comes to peddling drugs that are made by Big-Pharma? Everything under the sun comes at the duped masses 24/7/365. Hell, take a pill for anything...any reason whatsoever. And side-effects? they are listed as the pills can cause anything including what the hell the patient is trying to flee. But hey man, business is GOOD.

As far as addiction. Here's the truth, believe it or not; but it is an absolute fact and since I am an ex-hippy I damn well know what I am talking about. When pain gets intense it is not a "high" or euphoric state that people like me seek , it is only a "REDUCED" pain-level that we seek so we can FUNCTION 'somewhat' normally. (yells not directed at you JJ)

I have only read about one...one mind you...MD/surgeon that understands this fact.

The unbelievable BS that swirls around anything to do with healthcare in these United States is anything but united and about as evil as Scrooge's comment; "If they are going to die, they better do so and decrease the surplus population."

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 08:46 AM
Edited by JollyJoker at 09:02, 26 Dec 2015.

@ Svartzorn

Based on what are you asking that?

You might want to inform yourself about these things.
Heroin - or, more correctly, Diamorphine - has basically (only) 2 side effects, constipation and addiction (the same, actually, than ALL opioids).
You have to accept that when you have CHRONIC problems, everything you do to weaken the effect of the problem is also chronic, which means, the side effect of addiction doesn't matter because you won't stop taking it anyway (why would you?). Instead, the problem that comes with addiction is higher tolerance (which means, you need more of the same), however, to actually avoid that, you are usually switched to an opioid that you won't have a tolerance for (for some time).

You do NOT need to shoot the stuff, although this is the most effective way to use it (the dosage is lowest, although using needles comes with its own risk).

There is absolutely no reason not to use the best stuff available (that it's forbidden in many countries has only political reasons), because side effects and risks of the weaker variants are absolutely the same or even worse (and Markkur described and suffered from some of them).

Chronic pain simply erodes you. You as a Christian should know that chronic pain is the most common thing used to describe "hell", so this is something everyone wants to avoid, because it reduces life to suffering. It is also very well known that anti-depressants (which may have extremely unpleasant side-effects as well and will generally need a very careful experimentation phase until the right one is found, if any, for a person) allow the pain medication to be reduced, simply because with chronic pain the effect of the permanence of the problem, so that you actually suffering under the knowledge that it won't stop as much as from the actual pain (it's like "Chinese Water Torture": a drop isn't much, but it adds and when it doesn't stop it becomes excruciating).
You know, suffering (or taking and withstanding pain) is NOT a virtue, and you are supposed to walk on Jesus's road or something. It doesn't make you a better person or qualify you for anything, but instead just ruins life for you.

With one of the side effects of IV use of Diamorphine being euphoria ... you can call this another bird with the same stone.

EDIT: @ Markkur

I see you answered while I typed.

It's part of our Christian heritage, that suffering (pain) has something heroical (following the example of Jesus), and it's also a belief based on that, that the effect of a medication must not be positive in any non-medical way. It's like being rewarded for being sick or something like that.

US are a hopeless case with regard to drugs. If they didn't concentrate on their "war on drugs", but instead had researched the coca leaf ... but, no.

Anyway - with all the lead in you, I suppose that your whole system is so weakened that you will indeed get every possible side effect of everything you try, and with your experience so far it's probably wisest to always assume you WILL suffer from side effects.

That more or less leaves only the opioids.

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Baronus
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posted December 26, 2015 09:00 AM
Edited by Baronus at 09:14, 26 Dec 2015.

Cures yes, hard drugs no. We have a lot of cures. I know that pain is big. But hard drugs are suicide. All drugs are addition on whole life (marijuana too). All must be with consultation with doctors. Use all confirmated medical way. I don't think that "healeres" help. They only take money and deceive. I'm not a doctor. I only can pray fot you.

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 09:10 AM

You know, life is addictive and kills as well, eventually; chronic pain gets you on a pretty cold turkey regarding that addiction, and on a pretty permanent one as well.

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