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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 26, 2015 09:24 AM

I know you can help but... Extremly means like amputations are acceptable only threre is no way. Target our lif is not life but  God. W don't escape from pain.  Be like Christ not exclude doctors and cures. I read that saints like Chiara Badano Luce don't wants anti pain cures because he lost correct thinking. That is a choice... Thinking about Christ really help...

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 10:18 AM

I don't see any logic in this.

I mean, isn't hell eternal suffering? Now, if you CAN withstand permanent pain - where does that leave hell? And if suffering pain is even a good thing - why don't we all go to hell then?

Are there really merits in the idea of having to endure permanent pain in life in order to avoid permanent pain when it's over?

Keep in mind that even JC suffered only a limited amount of time, not for a few dozen years...

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 26, 2015 12:17 PM

In hell is a spiritual pain as an effect missig God. Innocent suffering is opposite. God is near suffer man. Sufferer is like Christ.
Pain is not a good. But effect. Like eg. war. But if you can't avoid it you must fight. If you retreat you are coward. Fighting with courage is your glory. If your retreant no glory just shame. Glory is good for you and is most important, more than pain. You can also tell. God , I'm suffering for sins of people. It's a victim. They don't go to hell because someone suffer for them. It's te highest sense of pain. God know who want suffer for other pepole. And ALWAYS receive. Nothing waste! God define how many is need. So if is full pain will stop. eg. Doctor cure you. Absolutly logical.

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 04:13 PM

It's not logical, it's religious nonsense that ignores all realities.

ALways the same judgemental empty "rules" that make no sense, except making people feeling bad who ARE suffering anyway, but can't stand it anymore. "Coward"? "Courage?" speak for yourself.

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Svartzorn
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posted December 26, 2015 04:17 PM

I'm not evengoing in the religious thing. Said I won't do it before.
I'm just saying it's not really saving someone's life if you are literally killing that person through the usage of painkillers of any sort.
Drugs are not prohibited for political reasons, but for moral reasons and for societal reasons. They are way too much dangerous to be fully legalized.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 04:53 PM

Svartzorn said:
I'm not evengoing in the religious thing. Said I won't do it before.
I'm just saying it's not really saving someone's life if you are literally killing that person through the usage of painkillers of any sort.
That's true. Heroin doesn't qualify, though. Other painkillers have much more serious side effects. Addiction/tolerance doesn't kill.
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Drugs are not prohibited for political reasons, but for moral reasons and for societal reasons. They are way too much dangerous to be fully legalized.
WAnd here we are yet again in the realm of nonsense on one hand and opinion based of non-information on the other.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted December 26, 2015 04:57 PM

Pain and pleasure are more tied than you think.

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 26, 2015 05:04 PM

I don't say anything about <judgemental empty "rules">. I told all the time, how to help. Using medicine, cures etc. I told about sense of suffer. If you reject <"Coward", "Courage"> it's your choice. But... Just think about... how will look our World if nobody fought with Hitler because courage, coward are ,,nonsenses"? These aren't nonsenses. Soldiers are dying for us. It's victim. The same thing is feeling pain for sins of people. Like Christ. I now it's hard to comprehend. It's spiritual wisdom, but it's true. Highest true.

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Homer171
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posted December 26, 2015 05:24 PM

I understand Christ pain and we get our strenght from that. Feeling pain as compassion is one but feeling pain from desease or illness does not 'reward' you in any way.

If you are ok whit your conditions and not like: "Why God, why me?" After that there is no hidden meaning in pain. If you are not blaming God of you'r suffering you are in clear waters. You know it's part of the fallen world, we have problems like everyone else.

About spiritual side, when you knowlage the basics and not being bitter, there is little spiritual gain about you'r own ilness, compared to relationship what God can offered. Granted that man does not seek God until it's desperate hours but when you are child of God and not runnig away, pain on self does not glorify you/God.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 05:41 PM

God, whether he exists or not, has absolutely nothing to do with pain and suffering - if he had, he'd be responsible, but that's something everyone is denying.
Some are babbling about God "testing" someone - but that would AGAIN mean, God being responsible, and that means back to step 1.

Suffering from constant pain because of some illness has no sense - there is no plan behind it, and there is no gain in fighting it or withstanding it and no shame in succumbing to it and taking painkillers.

It's just a possibility in life, something that may happen or not, like accidents and so on. You don't prove anything to anyone with how you handle pain.

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Svartzorn
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posted December 26, 2015 05:48 PM

Man, what an arrogant douche.
I'm out.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 06:26 PM

And not a second too early.

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Svartzorn
Svartzorn


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posted December 26, 2015 06:31 PM - penalty applied by Corribus on 27 Dec 2015.

And he's still going! What a douche! Jesus!
Let's not hear Markkur out and try to help him with his problems. Let's instead make this about some douche trying to sell his bread on the drug question. While we are at it, let's make this about the douche's little ego, that needs to be stroked on the internet.
Humanity has failed.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 07:20 PM

You are talking too much about yourself - and you don't stand to what you write. Now, why am I not surprised?

If you think you can HELP a guy who IS already believing in Jesus Christ and suffering from a massive lead poisoning and chronic pain you are seriously deluded. What do you expect him after all these years - having never even HEARD about acupuncture?

There is neither a magic needle nor a magic potion anywhere, and telling a fellow Christian crap about his own belief is no help either.

My dentist had an accident shattering a discin the neck completely. He fought against the pain with everything there is - inclusing learning everything about acupunctire, setting the needles himself, more or less all the time. In the end he took the chance and got an articficial one. He says it's way better and everything that comes he can handle now.

Why do I tell that? There is a certain level of pain you can stand and live with and and help with harmless, but quite effective (in certain situation) stuff. And then there is stuff you just CANNOT live with over a long time.

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 26, 2015 07:53 PM

I told that in extremly situation doctor can cut hand or leg. Cure sometimes destroy something to rescue life. And ok! But you must go to REAL doctors and they evaluated. Not you. It must be TRUE extremly situation. But that is only material side. We have most important spiritual side. Sense of pain. It really help go to Christ. This is not true that God doing nothig. Dead on the cross? THAT IS NOTHING?! Jesus go to core of darkness! All people, all times TOGETHER doesn't suffer like Christ! THIS IS THE ANSWER!

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JollyJoker
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posted December 26, 2015 08:08 PM

May come as a surprise to you, but they do have REAL doctors in Canada and in the UK. And THEY work with Diamorphine, because it's the best known pain killer.

And as I said, I know Markkur for a long time , and he really doesn't know any preaching because he's a convinced Christian who truly believes in JC.
HE is the one with the pain problem, not me, and hw knows the Bible just fine. However, he ISN'T Jesus Christ, he's just a human being who can't stand the constant pain anymore.

I wonder whether any of you "helpful" guys have any first-hand XP with constant chronic pain.

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Corribus
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posted December 27, 2015 12:02 AM

@Svartzorn

Insults are a violation of the Code of Conduct, and you have been penalized accordingly.
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Svartzorn
Svartzorn


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posted December 27, 2015 01:10 AM

Fine with that, Modman.
Cheers.
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fred79
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posted December 27, 2015 06:50 AM

@ markkur: jesus, man. what did you ever see in that job to sacrifice your health the way you did? money alone isn't worth it, man; no matter how much it is. but i'm sure you obviously know that by now(i don't mean to attack you with what you undoubtedly already know; it just blows my mind why anyone would put themselves through such a hellish job). for instance, i worked as a table-clearer/dishwasher once, for a week. in that job, i was clearing steel and heavy ceramic plates. in that week, i had to ride home on a bike every day. just one week of that with my back, and i said, "snow that". my back hurt so bad for one week, that i no longer saw the wage worth it(and it was only slightly above minimum wage anyway). but the worst job i ever had, was working at a foam-plastics plant. the pace was so hellish, and the inside of that mothersnower was so hot, that i had to keep running to a nearby water fountain in 6-second intervals every 10 minutes or so, just to drink water; because i had sweat every bit of moisture out in that short time. that feeling when you felt your pores start sweating again, man... it was like a million little sips of iced tea on a hot day.

again, i held THAT bullsnow job for just one week. no way am i going to sacrifice my body(my life at one go, maybe; but not my body gradually over a period of time) for some bullsnow paycheck, just to make someone else rich. i'm not that kind of guy.

you asked about the origin of my scoliosis? to be honest, i'm not sure; it could be either due to something hereditary, or because of my posture(or both). regardless, i started developing it in grade school. i was always slouching, because for a long, long time, i was always miserable(emotionally). it was this feeling that caused me to slouch. it was that feeling that caused me to try to shrink into myself and withdraw from the outside world to the point where it was nearly immaterial. i've been miserable most my life, and things like keeping proper posture isn't something i saw as particularly important. it doesn't help now, or growing up, that i can't sleep on my back(which is supposedly good to help stretch your back out after a day of having it compacted vertically) because i'll have unending nightmares if i do. i sleep on my sides, and i tend to sleep curled up, not quite a ball, but with my head tucked down, and my knees brought up. in short, i sleep in a defensive position. if that's a habit i picked up that stuck with me since my childhood(maybe how i protected myself during those times i hid under the table?), i don't know. but i still do it. i don't like leaving myself exposed, regardless.

i think the reasoning for my scoliosis, is simply bad posture; with a bit of genetics thrown in. the physical pain that came later, was a result of the emotional pain i felt growing up. i wanted to hide from the world; because it never made much sense to me(just moreover needlessly hostile). it makes sense, that i would do what i could to make that happen physically, as well as mentally. at first it was fear causing it, then it became anger. if you were to see my posture, you'd have a hard time telling the two emotions apart. people say i look angry all the time, though. the shape of my neck bends my head down; i'm constantly having to straighten it myself, because it hurts from between my shoulderblades to where the neck meets the spine; from it's constant position(only faintly, compared to the rest of my back). my tailbone juts out like my mom's did(she had to have a good chunk, if not all of, hers removed); meaning that i can't do sit-ups, because i'd be rocking on a knuckle, and removing skin really fast(down to bleeding pretty fast) until i'd be missing a patch of skin over my tailbone. it is impossible for me to actually sit up straight, as well. i don't know which spinal bones are snowed(by name), but i'm pretty sure it's nearly all of them. in the military, i had considered getting steel bars put into my spine to straighten and reinforce it.

my cousin is going to a chiropractor, and he's trying to push the idea on me; as he had bad issues with his back due to scoliosis, a dirtbike accident, and a car crash, and his doctor is supposedly helping him feel better.

myself, i'm skeptical, because my mom and i used to go to one when i was a teen, and it only worked as long as we kept going. i'm sure i could use some back-cracking, but i don't think that's really going to help me at this point. as for pain meds, i don't need them(because my pain tolerance takes care of the bulk of the pain).

lol, that could be one reason why my anger is a hair-trigger thing: anger is the first emotion i feel, when i feel pain. and anger deadens pain. kinda like an automatic defense mechanism.

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted December 27, 2015 10:01 AM
Edited by Baronus at 10:04, 27 Dec 2015.

Hard remedy like morfina is not a wonderfull solution. You must take it more, more, more... Till you in fact sleep. You are addicted to death. It's only if it's no another way.
Warlocks are possed by real demons. Beware. This is not a legend. They are harmfull really.
The better thing is pray: My God not mine but your prefer will be. And go to real doctor. God will tell you and doctor what to do. If doctor make mistake, God rescue you. Always to God...

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