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Celfious
Celfious


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From earth
posted March 11, 2016 02:13 AM
Edited by Celfious at 02:16, 11 Mar 2016.

On a mission to save the world? Should we or not?

Let me first point out the context that we are all in different parts of the world.

I have over the years developed a high respect for your intelligence's here. Allow me to appeal to that 1% of faith you may have that we can figure out a way to make this world a better place on a massive scale. I look outside my door into the world and everyone validates that "we cant do **** about it" and "We are at the mercy of our leaders"

Acceptance is the trend which  people promote as it is the warm fuzzy feeling thing to do. 'Just work on your own life, help people you see, feed a duck'. Well thats great, but what about the part where acceptance destroys the world?


All KINDS of bull**** going on in this world
It is seemingly endless actually,


But My question is to you comes in many forms.
-Do you wish you could change the world?
-Do you believe in universal principles regarding sustenance and better treatment towards creatures?
-What do you think could happen if .1% of the world organized with a solid unity in the name of change and higher evolution"?


The government wants no part of this, especially -my government the states


Main Question
Should we try or just do whatever our human desires want?
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yogi
yogi


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of picnics
posted March 11, 2016 02:40 AM
Edited by yogi at 02:52, 11 Mar 2016.

"be the change you wish to see in the world."


embodying our ideals leaves little time to even notice the rest of the world.
dont let the propaganda distract you.


you are not alone, others of us are out here.  we're just working too diligently to draw attention to ourselves.

"the meek shall inherit the earth."

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fred79
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posted March 11, 2016 03:51 AM

we're doomed. there isn't enough people who care, that are willing to do what it takes to fix what we've done, and to prevent further damage on both society, and on the planet we inhabit. the human race can barely handle itself(not like it changes enough to improve), let alone it's impact on the planet.

we have been on a steady downward spiral for decades. the pace only picks up, because nobody wants to think that they can't procreate. and nobody wants to try to enforce that. not even china, anymore. and why? because they need more factory workers. their factories absolutely destroy their environment, and they(who was once so sane as to prohibit more than one birth) have chosen income, over the planet. just like every other nation has for the past hundred years or so(there are some that, i think, were on the right track; but as i am vague on the historical timeline, i cannot point them out specifically. the mayans come to mind, but i'm not sure. now, only tribes of indians who haven't changed since the stone age have my respect, as a group).

i just recently watched some footage of some place in the middle east(i forget the country), burning hundreds of chocolate bars, with the boxes they came in. all because of a recall. other people have destroyed albums, movies, or books by the piles, because they disagreed with them for whatever reason. fast food restaraunts, which feed millions daily, throw away tons of food each day, because it is uneaten, and giving it away to hungry people is not in their company rule books. where i live, i still can only recycle certain items, and the islands of trash in the ocean are growing. there's wide-spread fracking to look forward to, because the cash to be made from fossil fuel apparently outweighs engines that can run on water or electric(if i remember right, some car company bought the blueprints for a car or engine that runs off of water, off of an inventor years ago. that car/engine will never see the light of day; because the planet is 70%(and ever gaining) water. much less profit to be made from that). more forest is cut down every day, to make room for new housing, ever-expanding construction of whatever, and just because new houses are SUPPOSED to be "blank templates" for prospective homeowners(and if they want a tree, they can BUY one and have it planted), trees that have stood for hundreds of years are being cut down by the thousands on old(soon to be new) home properties. i hear chainsaws all the time, and it makes me sick that they're not being used on the amateur lumberjacks instead.

then there's society itself, and how it's continually changing in favor of those who oversee the mostly dumb populace. but i'm not going to get into human society. because snow 'em, that's why. they're ruining everything; the environments, themselves, their futures, other species... everything. humanity keeps preaching like it's this shining example, this special snowflake of creation and evolution; and it's just a virus that can exploit everything it comes into contact with.

so, to sum everything up: there's nothing we can do, because not enough people want to stop procreating. because not enough people want to apply the minimum effort to recycle everything they can. because not enough people are putting the future of humanity, and the future of the planet, over money; and their own dumb, never-ending cycle of stupidity that never changes course, but just keeps getting worse. things have evolved to the point to where there is no turning back, and most people don't care enough to change. at the rate we are now, the negative FAR outweighs the good; and it grows more every day. all you have to do is pay attention to the weather to know what's slowly but surely coming. i'd say this summer, actually. but i never think we have long anyway.

i only hope that i'm there at the end of humanity. i want to be among the last standing. and when it's dead, i hope that whatever replaces us has the sense to learn from our mistakes. i hope that they are able to understand the damage we caused, and to not become a repeat of our way of life, since the dawn of our awareness.

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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted March 11, 2016 03:58 AM
Edited by artu at 03:59, 11 Mar 2016.

Quote:
-What do you think could happen if .1% of the world organized with a solid unity in the name of change and higher evolution"?

They would disagree about the way to do it.

About very very basic stuff, more than 1 percent agree anyway. Slavery is not good, murder should be illegal and you should eat your vegetables. But choosing and applying "the proper way" to change things systematically become very sophisticated as the factors and participants that determine the outcome vary more and more.
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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted March 11, 2016 11:21 AM

The burden of salvation is not on us. We are the destroyers in need of it.
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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Qapla'
posted March 11, 2016 11:26 AM

Come with me if you want to live.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


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posted March 11, 2016 11:38 AM

The road to change the world starts with yourself and your immediate surroundings; most of the time, looking at the big picture and feeling impotent to change it is just a convenient way to lose sight of the things well in your reach to influence.

There is no universal recipe for changing the world for the better - virtually everything has side effects.

Now, it IS true, that there ARE a couple of positions and people in the world whose powers are massive enough to influence the whole world, but not in any way they want, most easily in the destructive department. Constructive, positive devlopment is something else entirely.

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Stevie
Stevie


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posted March 11, 2016 11:46 AM
Edited by Stevie at 11:54, 11 Mar 2016.

JollyJoker said:
The road to change the world starts with yourself and your immediate surroundings; most of the time, looking at the big picture and feeling impotent to change it is just a convenient way to lose sight of the things well in your reach to influence.


Or maybe it's just how reality presents itself? Change is possible but only to a certain extent, and that's never enough. I too believe it starts with yourself, but I don't think it's the kind that saves the world. In fact, it makes you see even better how humanity is doomed to consume and destroy itself until there's nothing left.

As such, I see salvation as something entirely out of our grasp. We shouldn't even bother thinking beyond the personal level, and by that I mean Christ.
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Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


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Scourge of God
posted March 11, 2016 11:59 AM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 12:01, 11 Mar 2016.

Quote:
Should we try or just do whatever our human desires want?


You reap what you sow, and not because of some omnipotent bugger sending you to the depths of hell, but because everything you ever to in life always has an effect. """Good""" intentions alone do not breed desireable outcomes. It is our actions that define how we are percieved by our surroundings, and your actions inturn are a product of your state of mind (sometimes by the absence of self control for instance). Thus, the way you think influences your surroundings almost by default (no matter whether you are able to percieve it or not, your very presence always has an effect, even if its just someone taking a glancing look at you, it has an effect).

Personally I like to look into people's eyes (passers by) as I wander around, and seriously I'm willing to live for people's smiles - they're often accompanied by a unique glint in their eyes that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. And no I don't strut around starring people down, it's more of a momentary and fleeting connection.  
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JollyJoker
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posted March 11, 2016 12:53 PM

Stevie said:

Or maybe it's just how reality presents itself? Change is possible but only to a certain extent, and that's never enough. I too believe it starts with yourself, but I don't think it's the kind that saves the world. In fact, it makes you see even better how humanity is doomed to consume and destroy itself until there's nothing left.

I disagree with the "doomed" part. Humanity may or may not walk that road - but destruction is always a possibility even if it's not our fault. It's just that the balance has changed; once, tens and hundred thousands of years ago, destruction could have been the result of any kind of adversity, like the Neandertalers got axed. Now, we present a danger ourselves, but that's only due to our increasing capacity to avoid destruction as a result of adversity or even prevent it.
Survival has been a tough battle, tooth and nail over a very long time, and I wouldn't want to have lived in earlier times

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted March 11, 2016 02:12 PM

Humanity is not doomed. Quite the contrary. Unless we get drawn into nuclear war, there's a bright and shining future for the ordinary person. The list of things that civilization "fixed" compared to years up to 1900 is insanely long. For example, you don't need a smith anymore to pull out a tooth for you (without a painkiller ofc).

Society degeneration is another matter. Gaming is a good example. Before gamefaqs, people in general played games to beat them. Nowadays, many people can't even bother to play games. Instead, they watch them streamed online (making millionaires out of random dudes screaming to the microphone - hi pewdiepie). There's millions of detailed guides on how to "beat" every part of the game - in form of videos on Youtube - you don't even need to figure out anything, you just copypaste.

To hell with such degenerate "gaming". And sure, you don't have to do that, but we're talking about societies here, not individuals, and societies are overwhelmingly lazy even when it comes to pleasing activity like playing video games.
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Stevie
Stevie


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posted March 11, 2016 02:39 PM
Edited by Stevie at 16:03, 11 Mar 2016.

Wtf? So between the depleting resources, increasing terrain infertility, lower oxygen levels and atmospheric degradation, massive deforestation, decreasing quality of potable water and food, global warming, overpopulation, deadly outbreaks, pollution, wars, social issues, moral decadence, trampled rights and liberties, destructive corporation interests, our leaders becoming more batsnow crazy by the minute and who knows what other alarming issues, your biggest concerns reference to gaming?

Humanity is doomed alright.
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yogi
yogi


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Famous Hero
of picnics
posted March 11, 2016 03:08 PM
Edited by yogi at 15:09, 11 Mar 2016.

http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/international-news/13630-world-public-forum-an-intellectual-journey.html


old i know, but seemed appropriate.

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted March 11, 2016 04:49 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 16:50, 11 Mar 2016.

Stevie said:
Wtf? So between the depleting resources, increasing terrain infertility, lower oxygen levels and atmospheric degradation, massive deforestation, decreasing quality of potable water and food, global warming, overpopulation, deadly outbreaks, pollution, wars, social issues, moral decadence, trampled rights and liberties, destructive corporation interests, our leaders becoming more batsnow crazy by the minute and who knows what other alarming issues, your biggest concerns reference to gaming?

Humanity is doomed alright.


Of course, because I didn't mention them it automatically means I don't acknowledge them. Cool line of thought.

Also, sue me for mentioning gaming on a forum about a VIDEO GAME.
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Tsar-Ivor
Tsar-Ivor


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Scourge of God
posted March 11, 2016 05:00 PM

Stevie said:
Wtf? So between the depleting resources, increasing terrain infertility, lower oxygen levels and atmospheric degradation, massive deforestation, decreasing quality of potable water and food, global warming, overpopulation, deadly outbreaks, pollution, wars, social issues, moral decadence, trampled rights and liberties, destructive corporation interests, our leaders becoming more batsnow crazy by the minute and who knows what other alarming issues, your biggest concerns reference to gaming?

Humanity is doomed alright.


You adapt or die.
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mvassilev
mvassilev


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posted March 11, 2016 05:52 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 17:59, 11 Mar 2016.

Doomforge said:
There's millions of detailed guides on how to "beat" every part of the game - in form of videos on Youtube - you don't even need to figure out anything, you just copypaste.
If they get more enjoyment that way, what's wrong with it? I speak from experience when I say that getting stuck in a game is quite frustrating, and it's nice that there are abundant online resources that help me avoid it. Some people enjoy the challenge, but I prefer to progress unimpeded and just enjoy the experience. It's why I don't play puzzle games and also why I cheat in World Builder every time I play Civ IV.

It's kind of annoying that "playing games should be a struggle" has become such a popular opinion. Different people get different things out of gaming.

Edit: As for the general point, technology is better than ever, crime in the US is at an all-time low, social norms are improving for the most part (though some wail and gnash their teeth and call it "degeneracy"), teen pregnancy is low - things are good. They could certainly be better in some areas, and working to improve them can be worthwhile, but for the most part I think pessimism is unwarranted.
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Corribus
Corribus

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The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted March 11, 2016 06:01 PM
Edited by Corribus at 18:01, 11 Mar 2016.

Agree with that completely.
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fred79
fred79


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posted March 11, 2016 07:02 PM

mvassilev said:
crime in the US is at an all-time low


just where are you getting your information?

because everything i see on the news and hear at night, tells me the exact opposite. i have no doubts, that if i was a part of the same circles i used to be in, that i would know first-hand, the rampant crime that was ever-increasing.

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Corribus
Corribus

Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted March 11, 2016 07:05 PM

Not just in the us.  Violence everywhere is decreasing and there is plenty of science to show it.
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fred79
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posted March 11, 2016 07:11 PM

not where i live.

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