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Salamandre
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posted May 12, 2016 09:21 PM |
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Well, we can hope. Personally I don't consider Civ 5 was a blast, rather mediocre and filled with wrong decisions, in my opinion. While I played 2-3-4 for years and dozens of games each, Civ5 survived 2-3 months in my HD. Hopefully there were mods, otherwise I would have put it down after 1 week.
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verriker
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posted May 12, 2016 10:05 PM |
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at least they are the original, legitimate developers,
even if they cock things right up the duff, they are the ones with the prestige and the legacy to protect, it's not a case of some bunch of imposter frauds (such as Erwin) coming in and damaging the series with stupidity and ignorance, if Firaxis themselves screw it up I think it would have been screwed up one way or the other lol
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Avirosb
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posted May 13, 2016 01:52 PM |
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fuChris said:
Stevie said:
There's such a playful vibe I'm getting from them, it's just perfect.
That playful vibe makes it look like a mobile game. A pretty extremely detailed game but still, these kind of cartoony graphics were the problem for many people with H5.
Civ IV didn't look like a mobile game?
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Galaad
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posted May 13, 2016 02:03 PM |
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I think the screens look fantastic, just got V there is currently a -75% deal on steam.
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Stevie
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posted May 13, 2016 02:20 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Well, we can hope. Personally I don't consider Civ 5 was a blast, rather mediocre and filled with wrong decisions, in my opinion. While I played 2-3-4 for years and dozens of games each, Civ5 survived 2-3 months in my HD. Hopefully there were mods, otherwise I would have put it down after 1 week.
It's admirable how you're still upholding this opinion of yours without backing off at all, except for the fact that you're contrarian to what it is arguably one of the best games ever created. This is way beyond bias now, it's a syndrome of being opposed to good changes, innovation and differences overall. I was under the impression that it was limited to the Heroes series where if anything is different from the sacred cow of Heroes 3 (even for good reasons) it's outright heresy, but now I'm convinced it's just the way you're wired. This is not as much of a critique as you might read, I'm just genuinely disappointed how a person of your caliber can't recognize how amazing Civ 5 was.
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TD
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posted May 13, 2016 02:43 PM |
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I so hope they bring the automated city-builder back from civ 4. I never played with more than 3-4 cities of my own after initial games in civ 5 because of the extra time it took and it didn't really reward player either. Was always so much better to just capture the towns from enemies since you could automate them. I so missed the great empires of civ 4 with 10-15 cities of your own origin
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alcibiades
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posted May 13, 2016 03:27 PM |
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Galaad said:
I think the screens look fantastic, just got V there is currently a -75% deal on steam.
Make sure to grab expansions also. You MUST have Gods & Kings and Brave New World to enjoy Civ5.
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TD
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posted May 13, 2016 03:33 PM |
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Stevie said:
it is arguably one of the best games ever created. This is way beyond bias now, it's a syndrome of being opposed to good changes, innovation and differences overall.
While I can agree that Civ 5 is a great game, it's also far behind civ 4 in many things. Firaxis tried to stream-line the game way too much and as result it just got simplified.
Better in Civ 5:
-trade caravans were great.
-Implementation of religion was much better IMO.
-Culture was done better(although I wish they had kept the cultural borders of civ 4 where you could win over tiles/towns).
-City-states
-More unique civilizations
-Mods
Better in Civ 4:
-Trading between nations(goods and their effects)
-Military units in same tiles, faster pace and more tactics/strategies available.
-Diplomacy options(map/tech trading, alliances/vassal states, etc.)
-Automated city-builder option
-More freedom in playing the kind of country you wanted(with optional nation and leader).
-Random Events
-Importance of resources(both natural resources and the things you needed to sustain town: health/food/gold)
I think that's all the more major things that stood out to me personally(that I can think of at least). Of course there is bunch of small stuff like the fun of adding general to your army instead of him being bystander in the back, some things being more/less fluent in general, but things that ultimately didn't matter that much to me.
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Stevie
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posted May 13, 2016 03:47 PM |
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TD said:
Better in Civ 4:
-Military units in same tiles, faster pace and more tactics/strategies available.
All the rest is arguable more or less, but this isn't. Non stacking is the single best thing that happened to the series. It switched the focus from the simplistic doom stack to a very tactically generous positional strategy. Even the developer themselves admitted this as the feedback was overwhelming.
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TD
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posted May 13, 2016 03:53 PM |
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Edited by TD at 15:54, 13 May 2016.
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It was a terrible change. You had the option to bombard the stacked units causing gigantic extra losses if you kept everything in single tile which is why it was bad tactic against good players(ones that didn't buy only archers and hope to defend with them). Now you can easily stop all armies from advancing and never lose defensive war because you usually can't upkeep over 5-10 times the army size to attack(and even then it's really hard to win the defender). Not to mention choke-holds in most places make it completely impossible to advance at all.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 13, 2016 03:55 PM |
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I love how EU4 counters doomstacks with logical/realistic game mechanics of supply (you can't have more than a certain amount of goons on one tile or they start starving and losin hp). I totally agree that doomstacks must've been irritating thing to be forced into, but I kinda hate the clunky style of Civ 5, both in terms of slow unit production and manoeuvring being simply awful, so I'm glad that they're addressing that to a certain extent (currently loving the way AoW3 does things).
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Stevie
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posted May 13, 2016 04:33 PM |
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TD said:
It was a terrible change.
No, lol.
TD said:
You had the option to bombard the stacked units causing gigantic extra losses if you kept everything in single tile which is why it was bad tactic against good players(ones that didn't buy only archers and hope to defend with them).
And that was the only upside that came at the beginning of the modern era to the cheesy stacking system which one would use without penalty up until then. That level of tactical depth simply pales in comparison to positional strategy.
TD said:
Now you can easily stop all armies from advancing and never lose defensive war because you usually can't upkeep over 5-10 times the army size to attack(and even then it's really hard to win the defender).
5-10 times the army size? Absolutely no way, unless you're lacking in either brain power or army quality and adequate numbers. With proper siege units, upgrades, healing and position, you can take a defended city with casualties at way less the army size you imply. You're just exaggerating there.
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Not to mention choke-holds in most places make it completely impossible to advance at all.
This is the only fair point, but choke holds happen rarely (depending on settings though), and if one thinks that engaging in choke positions is the only way to victory then they're obviously mistaken.
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Galaad
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posted May 13, 2016 05:01 PM |
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alcibiades said:
Make sure to grab expansions also. You MUST have Gods & Kings and Brave New World to enjoy Civ5.
Yep I got them in the package. 
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Avirosb
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posted May 13, 2016 05:08 PM |
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TD said:
Not to mention choke-holds in most places make it completely impossible to advance at all.
This has never been a problem in the history of warfare, most assuredly.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted May 13, 2016 05:12 PM |
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Avirosb said:
TD said:
Not to mention choke-holds in most places make it completely impossible to advance at all.
This has never been a problem in the history of warfare, most assuredly.
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markkur
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posted May 13, 2016 07:08 PM |
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To anyone that's already got the scoop, will it be more like 3 & 4 or more like 5? I would definitely jump back in if it was an improved rendition of 3.
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Salamandre
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posted May 13, 2016 09:29 PM |
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Stevie said:
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IMHO you should take a break from video games because this area clearly took unrealistic proportions for you.
I gave my opinion on civ5, I remained respectful and your psychological portrait of my personality based on my civ 5 advice, you can shove your hairy ass with. Sincerely. 
I just recall you, that while I have my personal critics and perspectives on civ 5, I still gave a lot of my time on that game -which shows my interest, having even 1 mod rewarded with 5 stars, 2 others with 4 stars. So, before trying to convince me how great is Civ 5 and how dumb am I for criticizing it, show me first what did YOU DO for that game, beside trying to piss people with different advices than yours and act like a little dictator.
It is time for you to grasp that people playing games are not all seeking for same perspectives, same structures, same goals. And this is why you and me -or anyone- could disagree even on the most perfect of games. Put that in your head, stop criticizing others or take a break.
Stevie said:
This is way beyond bias now, it's a syndrome of being opposed to good changes, innovation and differences overall.
This shows just how ignorant you are, speaking from your ass without properly informing yourself first. Not even speaking about my Heroes 3 mods, but for Civ 5 my mod One city domination is literally breaking the mechanics, it is a mini game into a Civ game, is a new experience. Good or no, doesn't matter; it still invalidates your analysis.
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Stevie
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posted May 13, 2016 09:47 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 21:53, 13 May 2016.
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Salamandre said:
Stevie said:
bla bla
IMHO you should take a break from video games because this area clearly took unrealistic proportions for you.
I gave my opinion on civ5, I remained respectful and your psychological portrait of my personality based on my civ 5 advice, you can shove your hairy ass with. Sincerely.
I just recall you, that while I have my personal critics and perspectives on civ 5, I still gave a lot of my time on that game -which shows my interest, having even 1 mod rewarded with 5 stars, 2 others with 4 stars. So, before trying to convince me how great is Civ 5 and how dumb am I for criticizing it, show me first what did YOU DO for that game, beside trying to piss people with different advices than yours and act like a little dictator.
It is time for you to grasp that people playing games are not all seeking for same perspectives, same structures, same goals. And this is why you and me -or anyone- could disagree even on the most perfect of games. Put that in your head, stop criticizing others or take a break.
Stevie said:
This is way beyond bias now, it's a syndrome of being opposed to good changes, innovation and differences overall.
This shows just how ignorant you are, speaking from your ass without properly informing yourself first. Not even speaking about my Heroes 3 mods, but for Civ 5 my mod One city domination is literally breaking the mechanics, it is a mini game into a Civ game, is a new experience. Good or no, doesn't matter; it still invalidates your analysis.
The emotional and disrespectful way in which you quoted me and replied was totally unwarranted. I even put a disclaimer just so you wouldn't get the wrong idea, but it seems that flew way over your head. The psychological portrait rhetoric is something you employed before, I guess you find some special ring to it, but it's getting rather old. And the appeal to credentials is supposed to prove.. what exactly? That you're right in your opinion of the game being mediocre? Not by a long shot. I don't have to be a modder to say if a game is amazing or not more than I have to be a chef to say if a dish is tasty or not. Bears 0 relevance, but the fact that you chose to lean on that as an argument just speaks volumes. It would all be better too for your case if the position of the game were hotly contested, but it isn't, not by any critics nor by the vast majority of fans, on the polar opposite in fact. So I can't help but feel sorry for you if you think you'll just play the contrarian card and expect people to not meet you on your points.
And since you kind went personal on me, let me tell you something about you: you're way too reactionary sometimes and for the wrong reasons, that's my observation. But this is the first time you've been openly rude to me and that's a big letdown. I've actually lost all my respect for you.
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Avirosb
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posted May 13, 2016 11:40 PM |
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You two drama queens play nice now 
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alcibiades
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posted May 13, 2016 11:42 PM |
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Galaad said:
alcibiades said:
Make sure to grab expansions also. You MUST have Gods & Kings and Brave New World to enjoy Civ5.
Yep I got them in the package.
Good. Also, I really (really) will advice you to consider looking into some of whowards pick and mix mods, as a bare minimum download the .dll and the NO MORE CIVILIAN TRAFFIC JAMS mod, which will be the best thing that will ever happen to your Civ5 game.
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