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artu
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posted June 24, 2016 05:53 PM
Edited by artu at 17:55, 24 Jun 2016.

mvassilev said:
Doomforge said:
Problem is that nationalism is on the rise. Europe had a good chance to create something rivalling the United States. Europe combined has more people and is richer. But they BLEW IT. Now we'll see nationalism triumphant everywhere. Again the national propaganda, then, we'll start killing each other again, with US and Russia's laughter in the background.
I don't think it'll go that badly. Maybe it'll be the opposite - once the Euroskeptic countries leave, the original Inner Six will be able to integrate more deeply.

And now it all feels like Star Trek. Oh poor boy...

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posted June 24, 2016 06:13 PM

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That's the reason I hate Anglophones with a passion, why in hell would you remove the V, if it is in the original name, also, why Napoli becomes Naples, that doesn't make any sense! Torino becomes Turin, and Venezia becomes Venice. And then you are inconsistent, why are Sicilian cities not translated? I'm proud that my homeland cities have to be called with their actual name, but come on, is that supposed to mean we're irrelevant?
It is not just English, French calls Genova Genes.
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posted June 24, 2016 06:24 PM

So now, since UK voted to quit the protection of the EU, Putin will be free to annex it, and be crowned the Czar of the United Czardom.


That's what the morons that run my country think. Makes 0 sense, I know. We have to bear with that crap all day, every day.
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posted June 24, 2016 06:31 PM

kipshasz said:
So now, since UK voted to quit the protection of the EU, Putin will be free to annex it, and be crowned the Czar of the United Czardom.



They still remain in NATO
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posted June 24, 2016 07:14 PM

They are still not absolutely certain to leave, the Parliament may decide to disregard the referendum results out of fear of losing Scotland. I don't envy them no matter what they pick - "no" to the results would mean ignoring the will of 52% of the British population, "yes" would be a de facto invitation to the Scots to restart their independence program. And Cameron is running for his life, the brave boy.

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posted June 24, 2016 07:17 PM

mvassilev said:
I don't think it'll go that badly. Maybe it'll be the opposite - once the Euroskeptic countries leave, the original Inner Six will be able to integrate more deeply.


Consider that to defeat the Front Nationale the two main parties had to siphon votes to the other. (Any Frenchmen please correct me if I'm wrong)
Or that here in Italy we have the M5S (Movimento 5 Stelle: 5 Star Movement, funny name, I know) that want us to abandon the Euro, and may actually spearhead an Itaxit if the people demand it (Given that they say they operate on a direct democratic idea), and of course we have the Lega Nord, which again, is pretty Euro-sceptic, and managed to gain votes in the South, which, considering it was a party for the secession of the North it's pretty surprising.

And these are two of the six that I know have relevant Euro-sceptic movements that have a chance to pass an eventual exit.

I don't really know about the other four though.

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I know, those Frenchies always distort our words...
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posted June 24, 2016 07:20 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 19:21, 24 Jun 2016.

Neraus said:

I know, those Frenchies always distort our words...


This is an interesting phenomenon. When I use "Putin" in french blogs run by top intellectuals, the post always comes out with "Poutine", the french version, some invisible corrector takes care of it.

I think is rather pity that we have to ignore the roots of a word, but is also understandable, as when using very far away languages, it may become incomprehensible.

And also most forums ignore some characters, hence my next fail using the arab name of Mecca.


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kipshasz
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posted June 24, 2016 07:23 PM

Antalyan said:
kipshasz said:
So now, since UK voted to quit the protection of the EU, Putin will be free to annex it, and be crowned the Czar of the United Czardom.



They still remain in NATO


Tell that to the conservative communists of Lithuania. If you're lucky, you won't be called Putin's "little green man".
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markkur
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posted June 24, 2016 07:40 PM

Anyone here from the U.K.? that can answer what "not needing to use polling-cards to vote?" might have allowed in the way of votes?

From this end, it sounded like U.S. wild west voting when no proof of identity is needed when casting a vote. i.e. If this was true and used to accommodate anyone and everyone in the country no matter their status of entry, then the results were skewed and a lot higher % of native voters wanted out.

William?

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posted June 24, 2016 07:47 PM
Edited by Macron1 at 19:50, 24 Jun 2016.

Jabanoss said:
Hopefully this will lead to both Scotland and Northern Ireland to eventually leave the UK.

It's also interesting that apparently a big majority of the younger voters wanted to stay in the EU.


UK will dissolve just like USSR, out of the blue?

Seems, that the future of mankind is a bunch of small national countries, that preserve national cultures and traditions, only leaving economics parts to EU or whatever kvaziunions will be.

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posted June 24, 2016 08:01 PM
Edited by Tsar-ivor at 20:24, 24 Jun 2016.

markkur said:
Anyone here from the U.K.? that can answer what "not needing to use polling-cards to vote?" might have allowed in the way of votes?

From this end, it sounded like U.S. wild west voting when no proof of identity is needed when casting a vote. i.e. If this was true and used to accommodate anyone and everyone in the country no matter their status of entry, then the results were skewed and a lot higher % of native voters wanted out.

William?


I just gave my name and they checked it with my address. That's how it is in southern England dunno how it's done elsewhere
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posted June 24, 2016 08:04 PM

Macron1 said:
Seems, that the future of mankind is a bunch of small national countries, that preserve national cultures and traditions, only leaving economics parts to EU or whatever kvaziunions will be.


They survived through history by doing that, so is not like a form of sudden illness as the medias constantly try to shove down out throats.
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Gryphs
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posted June 24, 2016 08:12 PM

Macron1 said:
UK will dissolve just like USSR, out of the blue?

Seems, that the future of mankind is a bunch of small national countries, that preserve national cultures and traditions, only leaving economics parts to EU or whatever kvaziunions will be.
Well Scotland and Northern Ireland would be leaving to stay in the EU so I doubt what you say will happen.
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posted June 24, 2016 08:18 PM

markkur said:
Anyone here from the U.K.?


well, I was yesterday
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kipshasz
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posted June 24, 2016 08:28 PM

markkur said:


William?


Will is an Aussie lad, he only lived for some time in the UK.

So it would be something similar like asking me for an opinion on Germany's business.
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posted June 24, 2016 08:50 PM

Britain has always been with one leg outside EU, so it's not a big surprise they had chosen to leave. I'd say they were a "special" member, UK contoured itself within the union, trying to differentiate from the others. The Brexit screwed up the stock market as excepted, as major English banks depreciated as much as 30%, that's insane, I'd dare to call that a crippled economy. What I find more interesting or rather alarming is that UK just shoot itself in the foot with this referendum, now Ireland and Scotland are one step away from taking the "united" from the "kingdom"
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posted June 24, 2016 11:12 PM
Edited by Tsar-ivor at 23:13, 24 Jun 2016.

Not really, Scotland has been itching for independence for years now and that was not quashed with their failure to gain independence. Furthermore Scotland will have to apply to become members of the EU and defo won't be by default . If N.Ireland leave they're likely to unify wit the Republic of Ireland dunno how thst will impact their membership. This is unprecedented so we can only assume at this point.

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posted June 24, 2016 11:54 PM

Tsar-ivor said:
I just gave my name and they checked it with my address. That's how it is in southern England dunno how it's done elsewhere


Thanks friend. Hmm, so just names and addresses. Sounds like everyone no matter their status had a vote. I think you know the reason for my specific question.
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posted June 25, 2016 12:06 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 01:07, 25 Jun 2016.

Jabanoss said:

Exactly. You make it sound like such a bad thing. If separatist movements can have their way through democratic voting, how can that be a bad thing?


You don't have to answer this, but just throwing out a rhetorical:

If a world-class warmonger that causes massive devastation - and not unexpectedly but was doing warmongering throughout the election process - and he is elected through democratic voting, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Does popularity transcend and override "the best decision" or "better decisions", if there is such a thing? The question somewhat strays from politics into philosophy.

edit: Didn't even pay attention to the context, lol. Yes, I think it would be good for Europe if N. Ireland and Scotland left so they could re-integrate with Europe. It's unfortunate they have to leave the UK in order to do that.
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posted June 25, 2016 12:19 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 00:21, 25 Jun 2016.

LizardWarrior said:
Britain has always been with one leg outside EU, so it's not a big surprise they had chosen to leave. I'd say they were a "special" member, UK contoured itself within the union, trying to differentiate from the others. The Brexit screwed up the stock market as excepted, as major English banks depreciated as much as 30%, that's insane, I'd dare to call that a crippled economy. What I find more interesting or rather alarming is that UK just shoot itself in the foot with this referendum, now Ireland and Scotland are one step away from taking the "united" from the "kingdom"


Were Britons special because they were the only country that wanted to enjoy certain exceptions, or were they special because they were the only country that could get away with it?

The EU members knew perfectly well that an EU without the UK wouldn't be the same, and it made them very conciliatory. Would a minor country like Slovenia be able to negotiate those same exceptions?
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