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Thread: UK's EU referendum This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Minion
Minion


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posted June 27, 2016 10:03 PM

Ebonheart said:

Btw both a and an icecream works (did a long read up on it).


That I need to take to my English teacher then! She said she will buy me a beer if I can correct her English
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Salamandre
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posted June 27, 2016 10:08 PM

JollyJoker said:
Bullcrap.


Dude, you are the funny here. Basically what you say is: immigrants are welcome as long as they act as slaves and think as me or the other liberals. Should they act rationally and worry about their new country future, they are a bunch of hypocrites for you.

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JollyJoker
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posted June 27, 2016 10:14 PM

Anonymous. You trust anonymous? Lol. How old are you? 12?

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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
posted June 27, 2016 10:17 PM

JollyJoker said:
Anonymous. You trust anonymous? Lol. How old are you? 12?

I trust them more than you-know-who and puppets. But you are welcome to believe whatever you wish.

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Zenofex
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posted June 27, 2016 10:19 PM
Edited by Zenofex at 22:20, 27 Jun 2016.

Yeah, this will certainly turn into a comedy in the end. Ireland is Greece #2 (or #3/#4, depending on the crash-course speed of Spain and Italy), trying to "escape the UK" that way is even more emotional than voting to leave the EU.

By the way, I don't know how much of this is true but if there are even somewhat similar short-term plans, it sounds like a deliberate attempt to break the EU and possibly form a new structure with only part of the members. Proposing something like that when the support for nationalists and populists surges pretty much everywhere is nothing short of seppuku.

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Ebonheart
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posted June 27, 2016 10:24 PM

That frankly, makes me shiver. I want to go closer to the Swiss model, not further away from it.

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Minion
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posted June 27, 2016 10:25 PM
Edited by Minion at 22:29, 27 Jun 2016.

It is not a conspiracy.. Google just uses another algorithm than other search engines.

"The autocomplete algorithm is designed to avoid completing a search for a personís name with terms that are offensive or disparaging. We made this change a while ago following feedback that Autocomplete too often predicted offensive, hurtful or inappropriate queries about people."

The statement linked to a Vox article that refutes the idea Google is manipulating autocomplete in favor of Hillary Clinton. the algorithm has been in place for a while.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 27, 2016 10:30 PM

I do not believe it is a conspiracy, but it rings alarm bells when search results are being tampered with (and that has been reported multiple times for many different things).

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Minion
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posted June 27, 2016 10:37 PM
Edited by Minion at 22:39, 27 Jun 2016.

Any link to reliable article about search results being tampered with? We were talking about the autocomplete feature here, which is not the same thing.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 27, 2016 10:53 PM

Minion said:
Any link to reliable article about search results being tampered with? We were talking about the autocomplete feature here, which is not the same thing.

Going to check my history tomorrow, but for now, it is bed time - lovely match by Iceland.

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JollyJoker
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posted June 27, 2016 11:04 PM

Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Bullcrap.


Dude, you are the funny here. Basically what you say is: immigrants are welcome as long as they act as slaves and think as me or the other liberals. Should they act rationally and worry about their new country future, they are a bunch of hypocrites for you.
Basically what I say is that you didn't worry about the country you were born in, but instead left it as a lost cause - and ynow you want to deny others the same chance, citing worry about your new country as a reason. That's the definition of hypocrite.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 28, 2016 03:02 PM

It should be interesting to see what the long-term consequences will be to to this.  Will Germany be able to turn it around and create an alleged super state?  Or will the 8 other countries talking referendum follow through and kill the beast all-together?
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JollyJoker
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posted June 28, 2016 03:27 PM

There is more on the line.

And the economic consequences already show.

However ...

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Ebonheart
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posted June 28, 2016 04:08 PM

If the plans to create a super state are real...god...

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JollyJoker
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posted June 28, 2016 04:14 PM

Yeah, suuuure, big bad Germany is on the move again, one people, one empire, one leader, from the Maas to the Memel, from the Etsch to the belt...

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 28, 2016 04:34 PM

I am not worried about the alleged super state proposal.  If anything, it will push more countries away from the EU.
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EnergyZ
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posted June 28, 2016 04:44 PM

But the USA is already a super state. So I don't see much problem in that, only how it is being executed, or who's leading them.

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Ebonheart
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posted June 28, 2016 04:49 PM

Yeah see, that IS the problem. xD

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VokialBG
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posted June 28, 2016 05:44 PM

They aren't leaving. The parliament will never vote to get out.
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posted January 24, 2017 10:28 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 23:03, 24 Jan 2017.

Alright let's do this right, just going to share a conversation I had with a friend. Do note that I am not pro or anti Europe, I simply don't think I have the necessary understanding of the scope of EU's role in the UK to wholeheartedly support either side (my module on EU was mostly its international role rather than its direct impact on Britain specifically). However, being in the EU is the status quo, the burden of proof lies with those that want to leave, the arguments to leave are superfluous at best, and we could achieve far more by actually pursuing the policies we desire rather than hope the leave will drop them into our laps as a given. Not saying I wouldn't leave the EU, but the reasons have to be much better than I've heard, same as any change in status quo. For that reason I wish I had not abstained from voting.

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An outrage. The country, conducted accordingly, voted to leave. Shame on those who whine about refusing article 50. Progress is not made by stalling and fighting. It is made by accepting the democratic vote, and proceeding for the good of the country. Shame on the hard left for denying the outcome. Shame.


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I disagree, politics and economy are professions where professionals should have the final say. Tyranny of the majority is not a valid excuse to plunge the country into turmoil, imagine if we had a vote on to liquidate our national debt if such a thing passed in a referendum you'd be insane to implement it or to oppose it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, no wonder Cameron resigned and Johnson rejected becoming PM, it's literal suicide.


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Professionals? Really? A bunch of them turn back on promises. You place too much trust in career politicians. Don't cost tax payers with a false referendum then. Just tell us we have no vote. But of course, there would be civil unrest. So they give the people an illusionary referendum. It's all a scam. A real shame.


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That's a liberal democracy for you


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And you talk as if going against the majority is commendable. The decision was made. The pound was high. We had lots of trade agreements in the line. Had agreements immigration would be reduced. What makes you think the voting majority do not have their sense to make precise decisions?


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I don't doubt people can make good informed decisions in their spheres such as having an active voice within their constituencies, but that doesn't make them experts on national issues or EU membership or grant the majority the ability to render proper judgment on the pros and cons of said membership. On the whole the vote to leave the EU was an emotional rather than a rational vote imho. Which by the way a significant portion of the country opposed, I don't believe we should leave because 2% more of those that voted thought we should, Besides, referendums are not binding.


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It's why we have a parliament afterall, to diffuse people's desire and implement it in a cohesive and constructive manner with as many relevant factors taken into consideration as possible. There is nothing constructive about leaving the EU, it's people's fantasy that somehow we will build on the leave and do something with it, but that's simply not rational, it's an over optimistic dream/wish.


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There are plenty of constructive reasons for leaving. Immigration is a problem. The numbers are far too high. Such high levels are keeping wages low. Public services are stretching beyond capacity. Allowing everyone to enter the UK with very little to no checks. For example, thanks to Germany's god awful 'everyone can become a German citizen' means millions of people can move here. Remaining in the EU does not allow us to have control. If this one point alone isn't constructive, I have no idea what fantasy you've living in. Clearly out of touch.


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That has nothing to do with the EU, leaving the EU won't draft an immigration policy, it's your fantasy that somehow after we leave that will be implemented and it will have the desired result. No official has confirmed what you want the leave to result in, it's all in your head mate no disrespect intended. If your grievance is with immigration then propose an acceptable policy with proper grounded evidence that it will result in what you will claim it to and your reasons, if the EU is a barrier to that either breach the treaty or negotiate. The ramifications of leaving the EU are astronomical and far reaching, if your grievance is with immigration and unemployment then we ought to work to specifically solve that and not play the blame game. Leaving the EU is not in-of-itself constructive.


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That is bollocks. The driving force was to take control of immigration. If you CANNOT control your borders you cannot control immigration. Almost every leave official DID confirm we would control immigration. If you had watched May's speech you would have learned that she said she would control it herself. When we leave, and if she DOES not control immigration, at least we have the power to hold her to account. We can't do this in the EU. If you've been hiding under a rock for a while, in which case it sounds like you certainly most have, I advise you read upon a few months of articles and legislations and reports.


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If you want to control your own borders then push for that (what's the EU going to do about it? Lol nothing that's as bad as leaving haha), leaving the EU isn't going to create jobs, remember I did say 'have your desired outcome' in my post and that's critical. Sure stealing the jobs from European workers by depriving them of their place in the UK is going to free up jobs, but that is sick and has nothing to do with job creation. And if all we're doing is stopping the continued influx, that still doesn't create jobs. If your issue is the lack of jobs then we should be promoting that instead of wasting time and money on this farce. We can't do this within the EU? Hahaha, the EU is not some stagnant monolith, you can negotiate and change whatever you strongly disagree with or flat out refuse to enforce a particular EU law, Britain has worked its way to a dominant position with the EU afterall. The EU isn't some aberration that is stopping us from progressing for crying out loud.


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But what I can tell you for certain is that the EU and its role is an extremely indepth topic ****** that is far from just restricted to immigration. If you want I can lend you support in your research, but simple pub arguments do not hold their weight in any academic setting. This is precisely the kind of thing I referred to when I said the vote to leave was emotional rather than rational.


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