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Kayna
Kayna


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posted July 15, 2016 01:59 AM

Terror night in France.

France is under terrorist attacks as I write this. Multiple explosions and heavy trucks rolling over people. What do you guys think?

I like the ideology of the liberal but it's a shame they let people die by not screening immigration. People are dying just to make ourselves believe we're good guys. A strange paradox.

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Elodin
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posted July 15, 2016 03:09 AM

The war on western civilization continues while the West is "lead" by politically correct buffoons incapable or unwilling to see and speak the truth.

Without very right control of immigration barbarians are streaming through the gates to join the Fifth Column already in our nations.

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mvassilev
mvassilev


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posted July 15, 2016 07:55 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 07:56, 15 Jul 2016.

It's terrible when things like this happen, of course, but let's not use it as an excuse to take away people's rights. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that. Yes, some immigrants might subscribe to violent ideologies - but so do some natives, and no one's calling to deport them.
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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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posted July 15, 2016 08:13 AM

I don't get what the problem is here?
They voted for multiculture and they got multiculture?

Sigh, despite the lovely feeling of being right, my condolances to France and the lost souls and families.

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Zenofex
Zenofex


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posted July 15, 2016 08:50 AM

Multiculturalism has nothing to do with this, terror strikes of such scope and frequency are something recent while these societies have been multicultural for many decades. The NATO countries have been kicking a hornet's nest for the past 10+ years, now the hornets sting back and the focus is on the small perpetrators rather than on the people who are really guilty about all this.

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Ebonheart
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posted July 15, 2016 08:55 AM

Sure it doesn't, it's not like we  bring in people from different cultures and with different views or anything.
Really mate, wake up.

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Zenofex
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posted July 15, 2016 09:00 AM

I'm not gonna continues this discussions, won't get anywhere. There are people with much more blood on their hands than the terrorist and none of them is a Muslim, Arab or immigrant - please just keep that in mind when you pass righteous judgments.

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Ebonheart
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posted July 15, 2016 09:16 AM
Edited by Ebonheart at 09:17, 15 Jul 2016.

I shall bid you adieu as well.
What other leaders have done and what amounts of blood they have spilled is not what my multiculture point out is about. I do not deny that there are swines in the world but trying to justify or dampen a blow of something like this using them as a shield is wrong and it looks to me like you go around passing judgements in the same manner.
- Please, keep in mind that two wrong does not make a right.

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Maurice
Maurice

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posted July 15, 2016 09:28 AM

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

In the past few years, that freedom has been attacked and tarnished by forces that despise freedom. Our guardians, the various national security agencies respond with what seems to be a lethargic stupor.

Unless we (= the modern Western world) take countermeasures against the forces that aim to undermine the core principles of the society we live in, we're going to face more and more of these bloody massacres in which countless innocents die. A large tolerance is a great thing, unless it's tolerance for intolerance, as they are mutually destructive.
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Ebonheart
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posted July 15, 2016 09:43 AM

Well spoken and let's hope our so called leaders will acknowledge this.

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Zenofex
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posted July 15, 2016 10:25 AM

Your leaders are largely responsible for what happens and not only because of the immigration policies. You're expecting a criminal or at least an accomplice to solve a crime for which he's guilty (at least partially), how far do you think that will take you?

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frostysh
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posted July 15, 2016 10:58 AM
Edited by frostysh at 11:05, 15 Jul 2016.

I not looking for now the news-media for too often.. So I first found this "Terrorist attack on France" on this forum.

For first - The most thing that has a make me to suffer it's when innocent peoples dies or suffer. . I hope the guilty humans that responsible for this horrible action, will be punished and justice will prevail.

Elodin -  this user I remembered from a "Talking about Christianity" topic, and this user tried to explain me the famous Christian charity and goodness... . So we need to little bit clarify the terminology.

Elodin said:
The war on western civilization continues while the West is "lead" by politically correct buffoons incapable or unwilling to see and speak the truth.

Without very right control of immigration barbarians are streaming through the gates to join the Fifth Column already in our nations.


The War (military) - This is War


Bombing of Dresden in World War II (1945)

an this is war too


War in Syria, Kubani - 2015

so let me little bit explain, the War is NOT when you look tv-news, and saw the "boom!", dead bodies, and some ruins, and also you have a rage, a sorrow, and then just go to internet-cafe with friends and hamburgers.. to discuss the war, etc...
The War is when you waked up on the morning, and you heard "BOOM!", "BOOM!, "BOOM!", and you have no electricity, bad water, and you have a very bad and poor breakfast, then you going somewhere, or just sating where you are, and "boom!", "booM!", through day...
You waking up next mornings - the same, day-by-day, months-by-months, year-by-year .. of course if you still alive . This is War.

In France no War - There was terrorist act against civilians, highly localized, which caused a huge resonance in society

the western civilization leading by Politically correct buffoons? O_o  - You have all freedoms, a good food, a good place for living, you have a protection from crimes, you have a law, you have a chance to paradise-like life to the old ages, and so on..
And think that you are leading by politically buffoons? O_o.
What do you want a "radicals" like a in Iran, or DPRK (North Korea) with have a VERY poor rural life, with ~10 hours work-day, with "1 wrong word and you are in prison, tortured..." and the other "goodness"
This is what do you want for ? o_o.

" .. To speak the truth" - And what truth this "politically buffoons" must speak for your opinion?  

Without very right control of immigration . . . - What kind of a "very right control of immigration" did you mentioned?
Do you think the France with ~60 millions population and ~650 thousands km^2 area without a single immigrant will be a well protected against terrorist like attacks? O_o.

" . .to join the Fifth Column already in our nations" - O_O. What kind of "Fifth Column" this "barbarian immigrants" is joining??? So do you think a immigrants is an evil plan to destroy your "pure" nations ??

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The conclusion of frostysh for now: I VERY dislike Islam, and very likely a Christianity too, the peoples which killing an innocent,  must be punished. But why terrorist actually doing this?

1) They have a good motivation, because if you gonna die because of your will and choice, you must have a very good motivation.

2) What kind of motivation terrorists have? - They think that the civilians peoples whom they killing must die, and suffer in same way that their friends, families, etc. That think, that the NATO, US, if guilty in their friend and families deaths because of war, bombarding, etc...

3) Which strategy and tactics are ineffective against terrorists?.

- - - The War, the war including itself a huge loses in civilians, because of above mentioned bombarding, heavy artillery fire, etc.. The MORE civilians dying in the "hot" regions, THE MORE radically behaved individuals joying to the terrorist organization.  

- - - The panic in and radicalism mass-media, which obviously will produce more radical from the terrorist victim countries,  radicals from this countries will focus their violence on the civilian peoples, because is the only one thing that they can do.. And this is obviously will produce MORE terrorists.

- - - Any type of religious, racial, ethnic etc intolerance this is obviously will produce more radicals from victim countries, with pathetic results..

4) Which strategy and tactics are effective against terrorists?.

- - - Focusing on their main ideas, the MAIN power of the any terrorist organization, their radicalism which is only effective if combined with some other factors, one of this factor - the terrorist main Idea.
I.e. "The NATO is bad and evil. and must be punished and suffer like we suffer!":
tactics is simple, DO NOT drop bombs, drop the FOOD AND SUPPLIES to the poor regions, and OF COURSE all this food and supplies will be marked "NATO", terrorists will make a heavy punishments for someone who will take this supplies and this will make a disorder in the connection between "terror. organization <---> the poor rural folks"
And obviously this is more cost effective than a modern weapons..
strategy: is to broke or cripple the main Idea of radicals, and weaken their influence on the poor-masses of peoples.

- - - focusing on terrorist economic: if you can make a damage to terrorist supplies, just do it! The Oil, slavery, smuggling, illegal weapon market , etc this is your main targets.
the tactics: take control at least of one source of resources the singe terror. org., and then try to make a disorder in their whole economic system.
the strategy: the less terrorist have supplies, the better for you...

- - - The law and order, and the quality of life: this is simple, the more Law and the more order and the quality of life, will be in the problem regions, the less peoples will be radicals.
tactics: religious, geopolitics, etc can be a very effective instruments in this case, if you have success even in the small region, this may cause a chain reactions..
the strategy: the more happy folks in the problem regions, the less terrorists can became from them...

I am too bored typing far more, but I hope "main motto" is easy to understand. THE WAR producing more suffering for civilians = more terrorists.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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posted July 15, 2016 11:26 AM

Zenofex said:
Multiculturalism has nothing to do with this, terror strikes of such scope and frequency are something recent while these societies have been multicultural for many decades. The NATO countries have been kicking a hornet's nest for the past 10+ years, now the hornets sting back and the focus is on the small perpetrators rather than on the people who are really guilty about all this.


Well, yes you are right. However in the same time, they let enter without any control or restriction anyone from those countries in Europe then censure us to death for ringing the bell when it matters, so much that if today people see a muslim lighting a bomb nearby they will not report it, in fear of being accused of racism.

And then of course it is NOT multiculturalism as a whole, is only Islam, lets have the guts and call the danger by its name. A dominant and vicious ideology which infiltrates as much as it can in all political and societal structures, asking others to adapt or die. As beside those terror attacks, we have a very rich criminality issued from Islam intolerance, and this is what mainly undermines people's morals.
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phe
phe


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posted July 15, 2016 12:32 PM
Edited by phe at 12:50, 15 Jul 2016.

227 years ago France entered the wrong path by release of criminals...idots came in power...now we see results...
France is inwardly and outwardly evil...Society is backwarded...homosexualism, homosexual cliques, abortion, prostitution, sexual crimes, liking criminals, communists, trade unions, high taxes, lies, no basic honesty...we see these deaths and catastrophes made by mind control of secret services of France or other countries...terror made by politicians, lobbies, army etc...they know about it and tolerate it for years...for sure it is not a state of freedom nor model state to follow...seems barbaric...

PROTEST!!! DO NOT VOTE!!!

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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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posted July 15, 2016 12:40 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 12:49, 15 Jul 2016.

Zenofex said:
Your leaders are largely responsible for what happens and not only because of the immigration policies. You're expecting a criminal or at least an accomplice to solve a crime for which he's guilty (at least partially), how far do you think that will take you?

Once again, you twist the truth. The leaders are only exploiting the system that the PEOPLE are in charge of. It's this whole democratic model that fails and gets worse the more cultures you mix into the dough.

And no, I do not expect to have a criminal or accomplice to solve this, matter of fact, I do not even expect to have such a scenario of decision making to begin with. The people shall decide through direct democratic means, period.

And Sal, the religion Islam is responsible for this - am I brave now?

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Anil
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posted July 15, 2016 12:58 PM

Why France supports Syrian rebels?
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Maurice
Maurice

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posted July 15, 2016 01:15 PM

phe said:
Society is backwarded...homosexualism, homosexual cliques, abortion, prostitution ... trade unions...


Are you serious in saying that the above issues are negative? Should be forbidden or abolished?
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phe
phe


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Life and Freedom
posted July 15, 2016 01:21 PM - penalty applied by Corribus on 15 Jul 2016.
Edited by phe at 13:35, 15 Jul 2016.

Maurice said:
phe said:
Society is backwarded...homosexualism, homosexual cliques, abortion, prostitution ... trade unions...


Are you serious in saying that the above issues are negative? Should be forbidden or abolished?

definitely should be abolished and forbidden...they are like return to barbarism...
homosexualism and prostitution mean sexual corruption...always worst kind of people...always connected with criminals..
abortion is killing children like in Carthage... always connected with homosexuals, prostitutes and criminals....
trade unions are organized working groups harming others...very often connected with criminals, very often consist of homosexuals and prostitutes...

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EnergyZ
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posted July 15, 2016 01:38 PM

I'd reconsider that if I were you. In ancient Greece there was also homosexuality and they certainly were no barbarians.

Come to think of it, I don't think barbarians were gay. At all.

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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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Rush the rush
posted July 15, 2016 01:42 PM

phe said:

definitely should be abolished and forbidden...they are like return to barbarism...
homosexualism and prostitution mean sexual corruption...always worst kind of people...always connected with criminals..
abortion is killing children like in Carthage... always connected with homosexuals, prostitutes and criminals....
trade unions are organized working groups harming others...very often connected with criminals, very often consist of homosexuals and prostitutes...

They have always been present, during peaceful and barbaric eras. It's also wrong that they always regard the worst kind of people, for many have just been unfortunate in life, but they may never have done anything wrong.

The abortion matter is up for debate, but I personally believe it's a good option.

Trade unions may have people in the top doing shady stuff, but overall it is a good thing. And I do not know where you got the info on that they mostly consist of persons with said attributes, but that is just plain wrong.

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