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Salamandre
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posted July 23, 2016 07:30 PM

Yeah my bad english, the most was supposed to mean "the more".

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posted July 24, 2016 02:35 AM
Edited by frostysh at 03:13, 26 Jul 2016.

Salamandre
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The colonial aspect is a humbug, part of the long list of possible smoky and paltry excuses, invented by islamo-liberals who can't swallow that their multi cultural utopia is not only a fail, but a disaster. The history is made by successive conquests and colonizations, my country was colonized by romans then by turks and I don't dream of blowing artu or Neraus. Look at how it looks Europe today, the most welcoming and tolerant world wide area inspires now fear and resentment.

Islam pisses natives wherever it spreads, like an illness, Italy, Spain, Germany, US, Russia, and I can continue the list with 100% of the immigration targets. Then terrorists origins the most often have nothing to do with former colonies, also they usually  are very precise and vocals about what triggers them, they want a world-wide Islamic state, we try to stop them, they retaliate.

What do the righteous here suggest, that we let ISIS conquer and strengthens its positions until it becomes a physical country?

You are wrong:

1) The past making the future - The colonial France past, made the France today. If you want to make a good prediction of the future you cannot close your eyes on the past.
The past of France in the XIX c. XX c. A.D. - contains the reasons of many problems in modern France. Particularly - the immigration and growing the radicals in the immigration sector...

2) Your country it is the a very different case comparing to the Algeria/Syria i.e. And you are only one human, if you want to understand the reasons of Global Like Problems (particularly - the terrorism), you need get the statistic.

3) The same Islam-radicals think about you and your culture.
Islam is just an instrument of terrorism, it not a cause.
A very good analogy with Christianity in the Nazi German, XX c. A.D. - most of nazis were Christians, and that because nazi party used Catholic Church to propaganda their ideas - the result was? - more Terror was.  

4) Multiculturalism is the reality of the planet with such population density as Earth is now. The localized, the "pure" culture areas is an utopia in that case.
One of the my favorite examples of such "globalization" - The Holy Internet by itself.


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Partial map of the Internet based on the January 15, 2005 data found on opte.org. Each line is drawn between two nodes, representing two IP addresses. The length of the lines are indicative of the delay between those two nodes. This graph represents less than 30% of the Class C networks reachable by the data collection program in early 2005. Lines are color-coded according to their corresponding RFC 1918 allocation as follows:


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As for word saying, terr.org using the Internet to spread their propaganda.

5) The "terrorist origins" in the most cases have some connections to the "problem regions" where actually terr.org has been "born"



GLOBAL TERRORISM DATABASE

You also can find there a very good correlations statistics with a terr. activity and the Cold War, NATO, etc military conflicts..

6) ISIS this is only ISIS, yes this a bad trouble, but if you even managed to defeat ISIS and there in the problems regions nothing changed to the better with common folks life conditions, you will soon obtain a new ISIS... . Especially if "West" will continue tactics of "carpet bombardments of rural folks against terror" . IMHO.
ISIS using the same tactics and poor nazis - the gathering peoples around the enemy, even if this enemy, little bit... virtual.
The worst life condition the lowest people resistance to such strategy.

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There are no terror acts in Russia, while Putin sent to Allah way more Isis pashas than everyone else combined. Because they remember Beslan and know that Russia will actually answer to such acts, by making no distinction between their families, their pets, their kids and them selves, it will bomb the hell out of all of them until there is no one left. And in the meanwhile we multiply the silence and pray moments, design hearts and light candles.
Europe is dead, it lost the ability and will of defending.

Such military violence cannot stop the terr.org, this actually feed them.
I.e. Bombardments of Syria killed thousands and turned into a radical position millions. More radicals = = > more terrorists. This is a simple arithmetic.



Turkey at capacity as refugees flee Russian bombardment of Aleppo

I have no doubts, that the 90% of this refugees is actually have a low resistance against ISIS-oriented propaganda. . .
And you forgot, a what actually weapons military forces of ISIS-like stuff uses? I mean is there Colt-carabines or AK-rifles?
And +1 for artu, The Chechnya is a little bit different story..

artu said:
"Kill most of us?" No, Sal, I wouldn't want to sound like reducing people into numbers but even in their most frequent periods, number of lives terror attacks take are insignificant in terms of warfare. Any traditional military bombarding of a city would take much more lives than the sum of terrorist attacks over a year. The motivation of terror attacks are not strategical in a martial sense, they aim to create insecurity, fear, polarization which will certainly result in more recruits. Muslims who don't act radically ideological will put a distance between themselves and organizations such as ISIS anyway, the ones in-between will certainly shift towards ISIS or at least excuse them easier, however, if France "sends Algeria back to stone age" or something similar.

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Actually they represent 100% of casualties on our sides, in terms of warfare. So you are wrong ^^

You are wrong, the France i.e. is a part of NATO, and NATO have some military conflicts in the problem regions, where actually things such ISIS are..

France launches first strikes on ISIL in Iraq

Of course the frigging aljazeera is a propaganda , but anyway you are wrong.

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posted July 24, 2016 07:08 PM

Clicky

Another terror attack in Germany.  This one was stopped by an alert driver who used his car to take down the murderer.

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A MACHETE wielding Syrian refugee has killed a woman and injured two other people in Germany.

The incident happened in the southern city of Reutlingen near Stuttgart just before 4.30pm local time (3.30pm BST).

A driver in a BMW rammed into the man, preventing him from attacking more people.

Police arrested the bearded Syrian who was seen with a bloodied forehead as he was pinned down on the ground by officers.

Reutlingen police said the man was known to them.


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Salamandre
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posted July 24, 2016 07:27 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 19:41, 24 Jul 2016.

And we are facing the usual and how predictable brainwashing effort from medias, for the McDonald shootings.

Ali Dawood Sonboly -as written on his own facebook page- was first changed to Ali David Sonboly, then the Ali was left out by BBC so we got David Sonboly, then the german defense minister says the David name "suggests" he is christian, then all medias took this suggestion as a fact and stated he IS christian, and then, naturally, they came up with Breivik comparison.

frostysh, please can you be so kind and remove the 1600x1600 blank pic from your post, so we can read properly the other people posts?
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posted July 24, 2016 08:54 PM

Also, no "terror attack". There are still common acts of violence, you know.

And FY, Trump, by the way.

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posted July 24, 2016 10:52 PM

Salamandre said:
And we are facing the usual and how predictable brainwashing effort from medias, for the McDonald shootings.



Pretty sad isn't it. I'm so tired of being lied at all the time. 10 years ago, they were trying to put the blame on Muslims as often as possible. Now, they're doing the reverse. Always gotta be doing schemes and such, they just can't tell the truth and leave it at that.

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posted July 24, 2016 11:26 PM

Western leaders have made the mistake of bringing in massive numbers of unvetted Muslim.  As a result there are mass rapes and increased terror attacks.  To try to save their own political skins the politicians try to shift the blame to other things.  Obama and other democrat leaders do the same thing as European leaders are doing.
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posted July 25, 2016 01:47 AM
Edited by Elodin at 01:48, 25 Jul 2016.

Yet another terror attack in Germany.  This one a bomb.

Clicky

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Mayor of German city of Ansbach Karda Seidel said that the cause of the explosion in the city center was an explosive device. "This is not a gas explosion, it was caused by a bomb," said Seidel.
A bomb attack in the downtown area of the German City of Ansbach killing 1 and wounding 11 was not the result of a gas leak, but was in fact a terror attack.


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Salamandre
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posted July 25, 2016 06:20 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 06:27, 25 Jul 2016.

And it was a ...syrian asylum seeker. It is almost like a tasteless joke, except that people die for real.


"Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said the suspected attacker had entered Germany two years ago and had his asylum claim rejected a year ago.

He had been given leave to stay temporarily given the situation in his home country and provided with an apartment in Ansbach, Mr Herrmann added."


At this point, I think we are just stupid because doing extremelly stupid things. Free houses, laws not applied, when humanism and  compassion kill in return.

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posted July 25, 2016 06:55 AM

"Terror Night in France"


France now includes Germany.


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posted July 26, 2016 03:07 AM
Edited by frostysh at 03:14, 26 Jul 2016.

Salamandre -

Your terminology about humanism is wrong

- - - Do you think the special organizations like Scotland Yard, or Rossian PhSB take the humanism as the factor in their work with terrorism? LOl... Do you think a Governments itself take a humanism as a major factor in their wars ?

- - - You "we give humanism and taking back a kills" is little bit missguided... It looks like mr/mrs Elodin's Camelot-cartoon propaganda. I mean there nonsense.

I think your "we give humanism" is related to the immigrants? - Actually the immigrants  is a standard practice in the most of Earth countries, especially in the post imperial Europe, and Uncle Sam.
With all it's advantages and disadvantages.

I am sorry about that crazy size picture, I just have a poor i.connection, so I am usually do not a see pictures .

Blizzardboy - your picture is a perfect example of propaganda .


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posted July 26, 2016 06:00 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 06:04, 26 Jul 2016.

Well it continues. The media... I mean a crazy man...  has just murdered 19 people with a knife in Japan. Their worst mass killing since WW2.


Front page = achieved.
Infamy = achieved.
Immortality = achieved.
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posted July 26, 2016 06:16 AM

A friend sent me the below link to a you tube video relevant to this topic.  Time to wake up.


Media and terror


@Frostysh

Nice to know you are always thinking of me.  Thanks!
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posted July 26, 2016 06:30 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 06:50, 26 Jul 2016.

Elodin said:
A friend sent me the below link to a you tube video relevant to this topic.  Time to wake up.


Media and terror



No. Wrong.


Firstly, the video tears down a strawman. People that don't think terrorists should be labeled as terrorists do not represent the average person or the average liberal. Has anybody on this forum been offended by calling a Muslim that committed an act of terrorism a terrorist? I can't recall one person.

The question here is if neonazis had committed all of the acts of terrorism that have been committed these past months, how would the media & political reaction be different. Well, for starters, although you are a white European male, you probably wouldn't be threatened with being barred from traveling to the US or elsewhere. And if you were, you would probably be screaming for justice. Secondly, you weren't invited into a dying country to fill lower-class jobs and then scorned in retrospect as being a security risk when everybody already knew that in advance.

As for refugees: it's not my fault all of the countries of the UN with their combined vast wealth & resources are too disorganized & incompetent to establish a safezone near Syria for these refugees to safely relocate. Trekking across the Mediterranean or through Turkey into Europe seems to be the next best option for these people. One way or another, they're not going to just stand around when there's bombs & rockets being hurled around in a civil war. They're going to do what people in war do: survive. And yeah: with this migration jihadists slip in too.
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posted July 26, 2016 07:13 AM

blizzardboy said:
Secondly, you weren't invited into a dying country to fill lower-class jobs and then scorned in retrospect as being a security risk when everybody already knew that in advance.


Of please, nobody scorns them. Europe is still the top destination of world wide immigration because it is very attractive and tolerant, despite their constant whining. Then excuse me, but when you have no diplomas and one third of African immigrants can't even read or write it is normal to get a lower class job or no job at all, don't accuse the host because of the guest failures. Then also, muslims should be smarter than that and get that better controls are also for their own good because 1) they will be safer, then 2) as it is now, because of a few, they all are looked down and on purpose.

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posted July 26, 2016 08:30 AM

Salamandre, as a Romanian immigrant you should just shut the hell up and think about the fact that brexit wasn't because of muslim immigrants, but Eastern European immigrants.

The hysteria is absolutely ridiculous and absurd, because if there was only a modicum of truth behind all that nonsense we'd drown in terror attacks, suicide bombings and car massakers, considering how many muslims live among us. And that's so obvious that you must be utterly and completely hung up high on some deep-rooted bias to not see it.

And the question isn't whether islam is a crappy religion - all organized religion is crappy in some way because it's bound to have irrational and crappy rules and to produce fanatics (except that the buddhists were just burning themselves instead of others).

The crime that takes place now and that you are part of, is the branding of each member of a certain religion as a potential and even likely terrorist and the branding of nut-cases who are also muslims - obviously a possible combination - as terror attackers and not amok runners.

You also should think about the fact, that there is nothing to win by a general war against the islam - it's a fight we are just as bound to lose as the war against drugs - and consequently also nothing by antagonizing many hundreds of millions of people.

If you and the people like you were right, we were already as good as dead. We've been content with ORGANIZED terrorism for a century, be it the IRA, the ETA, anti-Israel terror groups, ultra-right terror against "subhumans", "Christian" terror against abortion clinics, the leftist terror of the 70s and 80s in Germany and Italy, or the terror in France by Corse separatists, Algerians and whatnot. We've seen plane abductions and hostage killings - and we've seen 9/11 and the subsequent hunting and killing of bin Ladn.
And now interested parties and the media suddenly start spreading the fear, "in every public place a MUSLIM suicide attacker"?

That is completely irrational. It's utter bollocks. And if we as Western societies now do the wrong things - which becomes more and more likely - it's OUR societies that will suffer. YOU and me, because we will get less freedom. Just look to Turkey. Now, sure, it's Turkey - but how long does Turkey has a problem with the Kurds now and its own history? You want France become like Turkey? North African muslim detention? Raids of special forces units at 4 o'clock? Police controls on the street? Death penalty? No proper trials anymore? Arbitrary justice? Been there, done that - remember Germany, 1933? Been also there, done that, Germany, end of the 70s. Police were equipped with submachine guns, teachers got booted when they had socialist tendencies, basic rights were inhibited - and BILD was making opinions.

You have to stop pretending there was an easy problem for which there was an easy solution, and you to contain your human drive to DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, NO MATTER WHAT!

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posted July 26, 2016 08:42 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 08:52, 26 Jul 2016.

@Salamandre:

I'm switching over to the attacks in Germany for the moment since there have been some posts about them.

There are 1.4 million Syrians in Germany right now. That's not much less than the population of the city of Hamburg. I don't underplay the deaths of anybody, but the ratio of attacks compared to refugees is very miniscule, which is why it isn't surprising that the racism card does get brought up. These Syrians are less violent than some US cities but Elodin & company are ready for hellfire & brimstone to reign down because of these attacks (and when you start cracking down on a bunch of people fleeing from civil war and treating them like people in an internment camp, more violence will come). It's so paranoid and hysterical.
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posted July 26, 2016 09:13 AM

@JJ

Well, we don't have the death penalty. After the failed coup, people started talking about bringing it back though.

The situation with the Kurds is a little different. There had been some Kurdish revolts since the earliest days of the republic but they were not frequent or in the character of an independence movement, they were rather regional uprisings of various sorts. After the coup in 1980 (which was the worst coup among them all), there was a very brutal and ultra-nationalist period in Turkey, especially in that region, all sorts of torture and oppression took place and around 1983, PKK was formed as a reactionary guerilla movement. It was basically low intensity civil war and when we came to the mid 90's, casualties were estimated around 30.000. Then, in early 2000's, head of the resistance, Abdullah Ocalan was caught and things cooled down for a while. But soon after, invasion of Iraq happened, the Kurds now had relative autonomy over Northern Iraq and things started to boil again. During it's first years of power, AKP came with a promise of peace and change, they started Kurdish broadcasting from a state TV station, martial law was no longer the norm of the region, the nationalist rhetoric was left out etc. And it started to seem like things were about to end for good this time. But then three things happened: 1- AKP (and other NATO forces) started to support rebels in Syria to overthrow Assad, those rebels evolved into ISIS fighting the Kurds and massacring their towns, Kurds felt betrayed by Turkey. 2- After the elections, Erdogan's plan to change the constitution and switch to Presidency was blocked by the Kurdish party when they got more votes than he estimated, no government was established, before the re-elections, he started to apply a much more strict and national Eastern policy, PKK restarted (or resumed) its frequent attacks on military and police forces. 3- It turned out, during the peace conversations they were secretly planting the roads with mines and stocking a lot of ammunition, this of course, lead the government to  conclude, PKK never gave up on the idea of autonomy or at least a federal state. They were just buying time during the conflict. So, we are back to the 90's.

Although, after the coup all opposition parties (including the Kurdish one) stated they supported the democratic government and now, oddly, there is a cooldown of anger between every one. All priority is getting rid of Gulen movement which turns out, infiltrated in almost everywhere not short from Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
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posted July 26, 2016 09:32 AM

JollyJoker said:
Salamandre, as a Romanian immigrant you should just shut the hell up


I suggest you to F yourself and quick, if still able. What is this intimidation attempt to shut me based on my origins?

JollyJoker said:
and think about the fact that brexit wasn't because of muslim immigrants, but Eastern European immigrants.


This is simply false, yet you continue to repeat it. Did Cameron over criticized phrase swarm of migrants refer to european or african?

Also why do you bring Brexit here? I talk about France.


JollyJoker said:
And the question isn't whether islam is a crappy religion - all organized religion is crappy in some way because


I don't care about ALL religions, I care about the one killing right now. You are the first to express your very vocal hate in the christian thread, yet when I criticize Islam you jump hysterically.

JollyJoker said:
You also should think about the fact, that there is nothing to win by a general war against the islam - it's a fight we are just as bound to lose as the war against drugs - and consequently also nothing by antagonizing many hundreds of millions of people.


I always underlined about borders control, where do you see me advocating war?

JollyJoker said:
You have to stop pretending there was an easy problem for which there was an easy solution,


I ask for laws apply, as they are in the constitution. You offer or propose nothing then kneel in front of the terror. You should be in anger that one asylum seeker, condemned multiple times for violence, was still allowed to remain in, fully profit from benefits and as gratitude, detonate a bomb and harm your brothers. This should be your priority, deal with the inexistent german laws which failed to protect your people.

blizzardboy said:
the ratio of attacks compared to refugees is very miniscule


Protecting own people is a constitutional duty for any democratic elected leader. One crime is already too much, if you allowed those people to come in. And again, the laws are not applied and this is what I ask for. Look at Ansbach attack, the guy already did in prison for multiple violent crimes. An asylum seeker, to whom they gave free house and everything.
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There are 1.4 million Syrians in Germany right now. That's not much less than the population of the city of Hamburg. I don't underplay the deaths of anybody, but the ratio of attacks compared to refugees is very miniscule
Even though this is true, applying statistics in this case won't get your point across. The issue with the refugees is controversial from the start because many of them are not real refugees, because they were "invited" with no real preparation to protect the public against the infiltrated terrorists and because there was no agreement between the EU states how the situation should be handled in a mutually acceptable way. Add the local issues with the minorities specific to each country. Add the difference between the living standards of the countries which "invite" the refugees and those on the way to them. Add the climate of dissatisfaction from the decisions of the leading European countries in many areas. Add the economic stagnation. And so on. Every act of violence done by an refugee, immigrant or whatever is amplified a thousand times in the heads of the commoners because the general atmosphere in Europe is less than optimistic at best, scapegoats are more than welcome in such cases. The leaders who preach tolerance and acceptance are already perceived as failed or failing so further repeating the same mantra without offering any material plan how to handle the situation (different from "let's endure it, that's what the good guys do") only annoys and marginalizes the people.

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