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verriker
verriker


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Jonny Come Sometime
posted August 04, 2016 08:25 PM

unlike those past games of petty whining and nitpicking, the complaints are legit and we can safely say,

Erwin has put the final nail in the coffin of Heroes today lol
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Avonu
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posted August 04, 2016 08:30 PM
Edited by Avonu at 20:32, 04 Aug 2016.

verriker said:
unlike those past games of petty whining and nitpicking, the complaints are legit

The same was told back them, too.
Not that H6 and H7 are good games, but there always has been whining from gamers and always will be.
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verriker
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Jonny Come Sometime
posted August 04, 2016 08:43 PM

this time around they are backed up by data, critics casuals fans all agree the game blows lol,

Erwin salted the future in releasing this beta, we don't know when we're high til we see the new lows lol
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blob2
blob2


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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted August 04, 2016 08:50 PM

It's the first ever Heroes game I barely touched. That means something right?

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dogtown1
dogtown1


Hired Hero
posted August 04, 2016 08:53 PM

hamster attack


new attack for hamster unit... a ranged pellet bomb

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Momo
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Promising
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posted August 05, 2016 02:31 AM
Edited by Momo at 02:35, 05 Aug 2016.

verriker said:
unlike those past games of petty whining and nitpicking, the complaints are legit and we can safely say,

Erwin has put the final nail in the coffin of Heroes today lol


Ok.

You see, that's what I'm talking about. You guys seem simply delighted of Erwin's repeated failures. It makes it look like since Erwin has done things you disapproved of in HOMM5, you have a grudge on him; and then it's a merry thing that HOMM6 was a mess because it proves your point that Erwin is killing HOMM ; and even merrier is that HOMM7 is a trainwreck because it confirms your point of view even more, so let's hope Trial By Fire sucks and sells terribly because it will make even more evident that Erwin is killing HOMM (and it does so by effectively killing HOMM). It's almost like you hope for the series to suck unredeemably and die out so you can get payback on Erwin.

If by hypothesis Trial by Fire was awesome and fixed all of HOMM7's problems (impossible of course, but for the sake of argument), one is inclined to think you'd be severely disappointed and looking for a way to avoid saying Erwin or whoever has pulled a good one for once.

Yes I understand that's not true. I really do. But that's what the atmosphere this community exudes.

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Datapack
Datapack


Famous Hero
posted August 05, 2016 03:16 AM

I hope you're not serious with that, i'm fairly sure everybody would love a modern Heroes title to take the crown from H3 but that just wont happen with Erwin at the helm as he literally does not understand what made Heroes good and espeically when they actively ignore the fans.

Also if it wasn't evident they are ignoring the diehard fans because they can't make the game everybody wants, not because people are cheering for their failure.

The foundation is there but they seem hell bent on building the house on snowing dirt.

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verriker
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Jonny Come Sometime
posted August 05, 2016 04:53 AM bonus applied by Maurice on 05 Aug 2016.
Edited by verriker at 05:00, 05 Aug 2016.

Momo said:
Ok.

You see, that's what I'm talking about. You guys seem simply delighted of Erwin's repeated failures. It makes it look like since Erwin has done things you disapproved of in HOMM5, you have a grudge on him; and then it's a merry thing that HOMM6 was a mess because it proves your point that Erwin is killing HOMM ; and even merrier is that HOMM7 is a trainwreck because it confirms your point of view even more, so let's hope Trial By Fire sucks and sells terribly because it will make even more evident that Erwin is killing HOMM (and it does so by effectively killing HOMM). It's almost like you hope for the series to suck unredeemably and die out so you can get payback on Erwin.

If by hypothesis Trial by Fire was awesome and fixed all of HOMM7's problems (impossible of course, but for the sake of argument), one is inclined to think you'd be severely disappointed and looking for a way to avoid saying Erwin or whoever has pulled a good one for once.

Yes I understand that's not true. I really do. But that's what the atmosphere this community exudes.


momo, I'm sorry I didn't reply to you sooner, but please understand man, I'm completely, 100% self aware of what you're saying, my post again, is just a dumbass singsong post and a clown college form of discussion lol

to be sincere though, the only difference between your take and mine is philosophical, you think it is better to remain as dignified, thoughtful and constructive a front as possible in the face of **** because this lends an intellectual and rational style of credibility, I have complete respect for that, I think it is better to switch off the filter and give a rawly direct or passionate reaction, even if a destructive, cynical or deeply judgemental one, because I think this lends credibility from emotion and honesty, creating a very clear signpost of what to do or not to do and a sense of appropriate consequence in success or failure lol

either approach could be spun negatively, you could say one is naive or a milksop and another is demagogue/Trumplike, petty and toxic,
but to be honest you need a balance of these in a fan community to be an effective catalyst, you can't truly press a lesson to be learned or hold anyone to account in the face of **** ups if you mince words and will never resort to a harsher method, as people with big egos the developers and publishers will find any excuse to claim the community wishes were not clear enough with enough wriggle room, yet equally you can't be taken seriously unless you will behave with nuance lol

the thing is, I as an individual will not change my posting style, because that is my style and is not inherently negative,
and for the community at large to use the dignified style, they require patience and hope, and there are a lot of constructive and dignified users now whose patience and hope has been eroded for so long and are so pissed off now in this current exceptional circumstance of the franchise's demise that their filters have worn away, so they basically post the same "toxic" sarcastic comments I do, because it makes no difference lol

I do think you're right, that I wish more of us could force ourselves to keep the more balanced and positive humor of the Heroes 6 days if only because this could make us look less like an echo chamber,
but at the same time I have to respect honesty and Team Erwin really deserve the honesty being laid on their doorstep at this moment, and I disagree with you, that interaction between Team Erwin and us will impact Ubisoft or Vivendi executive decision makers negatively, because they do not make high level decisions on which games to greenlight and what budget to set based on forum communities, they will do this based on factors such as critical consensus, sales, the mind share of the brand, and casuals' reactions, which we can influence a very little but never come anywhere close to dictating lol

to clarify for your sake though, I have no inherent beef with Erwin, I would have loved it if he produced great Heroes games,
even if he was a bumbling manager who made some endearing screw ups but eventually produced a great Heroes game I would probably be singing his praises (see Fabrice), Ubisoft isn't a factor in that, Axeoth or Ashan bullsnow isn't a factor in that, in fact a whole lot of terrible crap can be overlooked, but it's purely above all that he has just produced terrible games in a row and displayed such deep and even sinister levels of incompetence and ignorance to wreck the brand,

so it's not even necessarily a concern for the moment to be constructive, or to give off a particular self-serving impression, it's about expressing emotional criticism and pointing the finger, because I mean we all had such fond experiences with this series, we all worked to bring it to its best so we could continue those experiences but these cretins of a team have just gone beyond all reason again and again and have killed it off now man lol
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Kayna
Kayna


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posted August 05, 2016 05:22 AM

Momo said:
verriker said:
unlike those past games of petty whining and nitpicking, the complaints are legit and we can safely say,

Erwin has put the final nail in the coffin of Heroes today lol


Ok.

You see, that's what I'm talking about. You guys seem simply delighted of Erwin's repeated failures. It makes it look like since Erwin has done things you disapproved of in HOMM5, you have a grudge on him; and then it's a merry thing that HOMM6 was a mess because it proves your point that Erwin is killing HOMM ; and even merrier is that HOMM7 is a trainwreck because it confirms your point of view even more, so let's hope Trial By Fire sucks and sells terribly because it will make even more evident that Erwin is killing HOMM (and it does so by effectively killing HOMM). It's almost like you hope for the series to suck unredeemably and die out so you can get payback on Erwin.

If by hypothesis Trial by Fire was awesome and fixed all of HOMM7's problems (impossible of course, but for the sake of argument), one is inclined to think you'd be severely disappointed and looking for a way to avoid saying Erwin or whoever has pulled a good one for once.

Yes I understand that's not true. I really do. But that's what the atmosphere this community exudes.


It's called learned helplessness. Heroes will always suck and there's nothing we can do about it now. Only Vivendi brings us a shimmer of hope.

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Momo
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posted August 05, 2016 08:45 AM
Edited by Momo at 08:52, 05 Aug 2016.

verriker said:

the thing is, I as an individual will not change my posting style, because that is my style and is not inherently negative,




Look, I'm in no position to tell anyone how they should express their feelings or opinions. And to be clear, I'm not entirely sure I am correct here, I am merely stating how it looks from the outside after a long time break from the community. If I had lived every step like many of you guys did, or if I had been in one of those (apparently very frustrating) VIP councils of sorts, who know, maybe I'd be more pissed than you are.

HOMM7 is the first HOMM I didn't buy, I am buying the standalone just because I love dwarves and I have the feeling this will be quite possibly the last HOMM product in a very long time. If I had the chance I wouldn't have paid even the 30 euros to them. So don't be mistaken: I clearly understand there is something tragically wrong here.

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 05, 2016 08:59 AM

Well I decided to buy Worms WMD instead of obscenely overpriced xpac. Ill probably get it when price drops below 10eu.

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Maurice
Maurice

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Part of the furniture
posted August 05, 2016 09:54 AM
Edited by Maurice at 10:42, 05 Aug 2016.

Momo said:
You guys seem simply delighted of Erwin's repeated failures.


I think most of us would rather wish for him to wake up one morning and find he has gained divine inspiration, regardless of which Dragon God was the source .

The point is that Erwin himself has flat out admitted that he didn't have a clue what Heroes games were about and that they had no vision of where to take the game.

I don't know what else I can add to that, that would somehow redeem the work he has delivered. He failed with H6 and now again with H7. H5 was only redeemed when TotE was released - and even then you could argue that it was the 5.5 mod that made it truly shine.

The community has provided valuable feedback throughout the development cycle - and without arrogance I can say that a number of people within the community know a lot better what Heroes games are about than the current UbiSoft team, led by Erwin. Yet, all of their well-intended and constructive feedback was either ignored or mis-interpreted. Not just once, but time and again.

Eventually it becomes clear the current team simply lacks the competence such a game title requires - and then the sentiment turns into the hope that he gets removed from his current position so that hopefully someone with a better grasp of things can bring the game up to where it belongs.
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EnergyZ
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President of MM Wiki
posted August 05, 2016 10:00 AM

And then there's the part about Ubi meddling their fingers. As you may know already that they canceled the stream for Trial by Fire just few days before it was to happen. And even the fact how that shop button was placed on mmh7 blog, few days after the "Necropolis incident" speaks a lot how they ignored fans.

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Avonu
Avonu


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Embracing light and darkness
posted August 05, 2016 10:21 AM
Edited by Avonu at 10:21, 05 Aug 2016.

EnergyZ said:
And then there's the part about Ubi meddling their fingers. As you may know already that they canceled the stream for Trial by Fire just few days before it was to happen.

Hours, not days.
At least you could speak with Limbic representives during unnoficial stream one of gamers yesterday.
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dark-whisperer
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Darkness feels no mercy
posted August 05, 2016 12:21 PM

Can someone enlighten me? Is there UPlay version of Trial by fire that I cannot find? Is it possible that Trial by fire cannot be bought on UbiSoft's official platform?

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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
posted August 05, 2016 12:32 PM

Not yet. It should be available later today.
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted August 05, 2016 06:12 PM

Momo said:
It's almost like you hope for the series to suck unredeemably and die out so you can get payback on Erwin.


That's my dream. I hope it will die out, and Ubisoft will sell the rights to the franchise. Or drop them, cause Vivendi will devour them. And maybe finally some good-willed people will pick it up, go for a Kickstarter project (maybe people from NWC?) and the franchise will go back to it's glory days.

The backfire coudl be that Ubi will not release the rights to the game, and that's what I'm afraid of

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posted August 05, 2016 06:35 PM

blob2 said:
The backfire coudl be that Ubi will not release the rights to the game, and that's what I'm afraid of


I for one welcome our new Pachislot games with erotic violence overlords.

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Alki
Alki

Tavern Dweller
posted August 09, 2016 03:39 PM

No hampsters for you
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Cortes
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Adventuring Hero
posted September 03, 2016 10:34 PM

Point 1: I like dwarves and I like the look of the units.


Point 2: But this would mean uplay, same reason why I do not have basic heroes 7, aside from being not interested anymore anyway, I prefer steam, and it seems you get your "hamster" when you have done half or even more of the campaign, which is just stupid in my opinion, it is a CORE creature after all.


Were it not for point 2, than yes.






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