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Isildur
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posted July 04, 2017 03:29 AM |
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Sandro316 said:
Galaad said:
Brukernavn said:
What do you (or anyone else) think of these creatures in particular from a combat point of view?
I don't have experience with all of them but I can say for sure Jackalope and Mummy are very good.
I will agree with this and add the Spiderling is also very good. The Panda is quite good too, but there is a lot of competition in the medium non-flying spots, so he gets lost in the shuffle a lot.
I've never come across a dungeon with a 4 dot awakened water elemental, but it seems like it would be quite good too...
Fully awakened water elemental sucks because it only stuns if you use a special ability against it
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 04, 2017 02:06 PM |
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Sandro316 said:
I will agree with this and add the Spiderling is also very good. The Panda is quite good too, but there is a lot of competition in the medium non-flying spots, so he gets lost in the shuffle a lot.
Yes the Spiderling has a good poisoning I agree. Who do you think is better between Roo and Panda?
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scurvynaive
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 04, 2017 06:35 PM |
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Galaad said:
Sandro316 said:
I will agree with this and add the Spiderling is also very good. The Panda is quite good too, but there is a lot of competition in the medium non-flying spots, so he gets lost in the shuffle a lot.
Yes the Spiderling has a good poisoning I agree. Who do you think is better between Roo and Panda?
Roo for sure. He does better damage and better chance to stun so for me it is hands down the roo.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 04, 2017 07:00 PM |
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Thx, was not sure as Panda seems to have a longer stun with awakenings.
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scurvynaive
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posted July 04, 2017 10:28 PM |
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Galaad said:
Thx, was not sure as Panda seems to have a longer stun with awakenings.
I could be wrong but I think they both stun 4 turns when awakened.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 04, 2017 11:38 PM |
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scurvynaive said:
I could be wrong but I think they both stun 4 turns when awakened.
4 turns you mad? Roos for sure stun for 2 turns which is already quite efficient.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted July 05, 2017 02:07 AM |
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And there is the firebat AGAIN....
When are we finally gonna get Phoenix again?
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted July 05, 2017 08:50 AM |
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I hope we don't. The game loses much by handing out powerful units left and right (such as the templar). They should have been a rare prized collection, not every man's defence team.
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Rakshasa92
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posted July 05, 2017 10:51 AM |
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hayenne said:
I hope we don't. The game loses much by handing out powerful units left and right (such as the templar). They should have been a rare prized collection, not every man's defence team.
No, but now we see the same winners all the time because other people can't get that freaking phoenix.
No wonder you are on the don't team, most of your teammates and the teams of stickers, avengers and whatevers have the Phoenix.
HOw can we compete with them?
I also know you are against the decrease in power of the Phoenix... So you want the phoenix to be all powerful but impossible to get for non-payers.
You have really strange logica sometimes...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 05, 2017 12:00 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
No, but now we see the same winners all the time because other people can't get that freaking phoenix.
As already pointed out many players score high on the leaderboards without having a Phoenix or a Corrupt Angel. The Phoenix does not make or break the game, it is completely harmless if you have a Siren working and only requires good mana management and timing if you run without cleanser (like me). Of course you need to have a cohesive and strong team now to pass these first waves with the Templar. I have around 30% DEF rate with a Phoenix in my dungeon, the folks having +70% DEF rate is because they have great first waves, not because of one Boss. 99% of the time when people fail my dungeon is because they didn't even get to see second wave. Also Phoenixes get hit very hard by Pirate Kobolds, Lizardmen and Penguins and die easily against them depending on the situation.
I have no problem with very strong creatures -that's what makes them awesome, look at Stego now, it sucks since the nerf- as long as there is counters for them, and as described above, there is counters for the Phoenix.
That said, I also want the Phoenix challenge to come back, just so you can finally get one and realize how much you overrate it. 
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reyto
Hired Hero
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posted July 05, 2017 12:16 PM |
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Galaad said:
look at Stego now, it sucks since the nerf
Could you please point out how Stegosaurus was nerfed? Everybody says it was nerfed and though I have one, I have never had an idea what happened to it.
2Rakshasa92 If you have problems with Phoenixes, try creatures with mass-dispel. Since I use a Pegasus, I have never had a problem with Phoenixes. In fact, I sometimes was choosing less-points opponents with Phoenixes instead of one with green giant or sandworm cause those with phoenixes granted a sure victory.
Just don't stick to Pegasus cause now it sucks due to enormous number of Templars.
Siren, Pixie, Frost Eagle(dunno if it is called like this in En) - just browse your creatures with mass cleanse.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 05, 2017 12:29 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:30, 05 Jul 2017.
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted July 05, 2017 12:44 PM |
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Edited by hayenne at 12:47, 05 Jul 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
No wonder you are on the don't team, most of your teammates and the teams of stickers, avengers and whatevers have the Phoenix.
HOw can we compete with them?
Eh? I battled and won against phoenixes long before I got one (in fact, even before I got my first blue legendary, a Leviathan). Learn to use whatever creatures you have at your hands.
Rakshasa92 said:
I also know you are against the decrease in power of the Phoenix... So you want the phoenix to be all powerful but impossible to get for non-payers.
You have really strange logica sometimes...
I also have a phoenix and I think it is one of the best damage dealers in the game. Yet I think it is balanced enough. There are MUCH better damagers (the phoenix does not get any benefits from combos other than increased basic attack), and the phoenix does nothing except deal damage and heal self, thus no team synergy, unlike other creatures.
As Galaad pointed out, it is not hard to counter the phoenix in dungeon defences too - I have had numerous successful phoenix defences in my last group, and it was a wicked #1 group.
Why do you have to refer to non-payers all the time? I am a non-payer (well, I did pay 5 Euros once to support the devs) and my current team has 4 quest epics, yet I can compete. Dulkan does not have a phoenix and is capable of fighting for top3.
You are asking the wrong questions again and again. Instead of whining about the phoenix, ask for offence and defence tips, if you need them.
I see you have a Megaladon, not to mention the other two blue legendaries. This unit oneshots phoenixes.
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Rakshasa92
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posted July 05, 2017 01:20 PM |
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hayenne said:
Rakshasa92 said:
No wonder you are on the don't team, most of your teammates and the teams of stickers, avengers and whatevers have the Phoenix.
HOw can we compete with them?
Eh? I battled and won against phoenixes long before I got one (in fact, even before I got my first blue legendary, a Leviathan). Learn to use whatever creatures you have at your hands.
Rakshasa92 said:
I also know you are against the decrease in power of the Phoenix... So you want the phoenix to be all powerful but impossible to get for non-payers.
You have really strange logica sometimes...
I also have a phoenix and I think it is one of the best damage dealers in the game. Yet I think it is balanced enough. There are MUCH better damagers (the phoenix does not get any benefits from combos other than increased basic attack), and the phoenix does nothing except deal damage and heal self, thus no team synergy, unlike other creatures.
As Galaad pointed out, it is not hard to counter the phoenix in dungeon defences too - I have had numerous successful phoenix defences in my last group, and it was a wicked #1 group.
Why do you have to refer to non-payers all the time? I am a non-payer (well, I did pay 5 Euros once to support the devs) and my current team has 4 quest epics, yet I can compete. Dulkan does not have a phoenix and is capable of fighting for top3.
You are asking the wrong questions again and again. Instead of whining about the phoenix, ask for offence and defence tips, if you need them.
I see you have a Megaladon, not to mention the other two blue legendaries. This unit oneshots phoenixes.
The problem with Phoenix is the yellow waves that come before it. And the annoying healing.
Phoenix should be: Reincarnation once, but not healing. If only my siren and mist giant remain alive, they can never win against phoenix as it heals like crazy.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 05, 2017 01:28 PM |
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If only my siren and mist giant remain alive, they can never win against phoenix as it heals like crazy.
Siren + Mist Giant kills Phoenix without fail. Siren cleanses and heals while Giant hits. Phoenix could revive a thousand times it wouldn't change a thing. Try to get the Fairy (Pixie), she's also a good healer/cleanser (small version of Druid?) and will survive the yellow waves. You can farm her in tower 12.
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Isildur
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posted July 05, 2017 05:07 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
hayenne said:
I hope we don't. The game loses much by handing out powerful units left and right (such as the templar). They should have been a rare prized collection, not every man's defence team.
No, but now we see the same winners all the time because other people can't get that freaking phoenix.
No wonder you are on the don't team, most of your teammates and the teams of stickers, avengers and whatevers have the Phoenix.
HOw can we compete with them?
I also know you are against the decrease in power of the Phoenix... So you want the phoenix to be all powerful but impossible to get for non-payers.
You have really strange logica sometimes...
I finished 1st last week and I don't have a Phoenix...also FYI almost everyone in stickers hope the Phoenix gets nerfed...our defenses would shoot through the roof if it did
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scurvynaive
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posted July 05, 2017 05:54 PM |
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I agree phoenix isn't really much of a problem especially on def although it is very helpful on attack. Or so I hear lol since I don't have one.
Much bigger problem to me is the Draconian. Although I love my drac I actually hope he gets severely nerfed. The way I see it the devs have two options.
1-As mentioned severely nerf Draconian or else every new player will quit the game about 2-3 weeks in when they realize they are perma-screwed by the fact they missed that event
2-Continue to give amazing OP units every single time in the monthly event so that newbies have a chance to compete. (this being said I am trying to think of another epic as good and sadly cannot)
or they could go with option 3-do nothing and watch the game slowly die.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted July 05, 2017 06:22 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 18:23, 05 Jul 2017.
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scurvynaive said:
As mentioned severely nerf Draconian or else every new player will quit the game about 2-3 weeks in when they realize they are perma-screwed by the fact they missed that event
There still is Clowing Around for the 4 dots Light Elemental which I believe is at least viable when surrounded by the right creatures.
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Continue to give amazing OP units every single time in the monthly event so that newbies have a chance to compete. (this being said I am trying to think of another epic as good and sadly cannot
I pass *most* of Draconic Templars defenses but one that I fear much, much more than the Templar is the 4 dots fully awakened Blue Drake, I can't do anything else but watching everyone from my party die with that one. Thankfully, very few people got him.
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scurvynaive
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posted July 05, 2017 06:44 PM |
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LE goes down in round 1 if you have good combos. His attack is as good as draconian but his defense is pathetic and almost never gets a second shot at you unless very lucky with support team.
Blue drake is probably about equal I would agree. It's hard to tell I find the drake easier but I doubt he is fully awakened when I am fighting him so fully awakened would be likely as bad as drac.
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Isildur
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 05, 2017 06:56 PM |
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without the draconian defenses become way too easy and boring to me. Even with the draconian my win percentage is still in the 90s. I actually want stronger defenses in the future. For new people, they wouldn't be facing draconian since they'll be in bronze tier. What they need to fix is the way people are tiered. People shouldn't advance in tier until they have proven that they can dominate their own tier.
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