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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 21, 2017 05:10 PM |
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Only Awaken Phoenixes revive, and I'd say the bug is when it doesn't. 
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 21, 2017 05:16 PM |
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Additionaly I think a green stun/silence has a higher chance to be resisted by a red creature? I'm not sure about this but my treant also has a pretty low chance of silencing the Phoenix it seems.
Silence get's resisted pretty often overall for that matter
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2017 05:22 PM |
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Well stun doesn't work on phoenix (never did for me, it also doesn't work on other forest giants for some reason, on all other creatures it mostly work, I can easily beat the knight/paladin now because of the stun) and the siren's cleansing doesn't work, if she heals she instantly is killed by a freaking fire creature.
Phoenix = bug for me, and I really hope they will remove it from the game, at least the bugs.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 21, 2017 05:23 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 17:44, 21 Mar 2017.
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Just when I tell you this a wave 5 Mist Giant just resisted my Forest Giant stun and one shoted my Dark Elf, could barely make it, guess against who: MadamTusso.
BUt I also have the impression she doesn't show up every time on the revenge list when I don't recall attacking her in the first place, could check in the diary but too lazy, I'll try to watch out more, because if there is some cheating possible avoiding appearing on the revenge list that's certainly problematic.
I've played with both Treant and Forest Giant and I would definitely say the stun triggers more often than the silence (until now I Was confident it was 100% for 1st strike).
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Phoenix = bug for me, and I really hope they will remove it from the game, at least the bugs.
Remove the Phoenix from the game? Get out of here. 
Also the Phoenix never resists my stun, but maybe the Forest Giant's stun is more effective overall.
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted March 21, 2017 06:11 PM |
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Edited by dulkan at 18:21, 21 Mar 2017.
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I've probably fought 30 phoenixes since I have my forest giant and they never resisted a stun.
Also Rak, it's extremly unlikely that every phoenix always targets your phoenix. If it targets the siren, the siren will get hit and most likely die, but that should be very rare. Phoenixes nearly always hit my forest giant.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2017 06:44 PM |
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I don't want them to remove phoenix, just un-bug it.
My Forest Giant's stun doesn't do snow against them, and so doesn't the siren's cleansing, they still get one-hit killed by the phoenix.
My dark elf and light elementals super attacks do NOTHING to the phoenix. So the phoenix is impossible to kill.
I can mostly kill most other creatures, but of course I die as much as I win against people, my team is pretty good so I don't understand why I can't win against a freaking phoenix, like EVEr, I always ignore fights against phoenix, even against lower level players.
But maybe when I replace my light elemental with my mist giant (also a stunner) the phoenix will become easier.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 21, 2017 06:47 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 18:50, 21 Mar 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
But maybe when I replace my light elemental with my mist giant (also a stunner) the phoenix will become easier.
Maybe?
Dood Mist Giant is very good, much better than light elemental, max it out ASAP
If you can't stun, silence or cleanse, the Phoenix indeed is impossible to kill, hmm maybe apply luck totems on your stunner? I did it by default but maybe it has an impact on successful hit. Boost the ATK and LUK of your DE with totems too, this for sure has an impact for MUCH higher damage.
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Lunatic
Hired Hero
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posted March 21, 2017 07:27 PM |
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I speak only for myself here...but to me,in all honesty a phoenix is just food...I don't even need to stun it or so...I run my 2 reanimators and phoenix burn only hardkills one target...so I can kind of revive infinite times and just bash it down how fast/slow I want to.
But as said,that only goes for the team I am using there. ..
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 21, 2017 07:35 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 23:26, 21 Mar 2017.
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Lunatic said:
But as said,that only goes for the team I am using there. ..
No it goes for mine too, and likely to anyone with 3 Legendaries and multipliers working. VS a weak Phoenix not even every party member can act, it dies before, and we see the stuck extra multiplier.
Galaad said:
Just when I tell you this a wave 5 Mist Giant just resisted my Forest Giant stun and one shoted my Dark Elf, could barely make it, guess against who: MadamTusso.
BUt I also have the impression she doesn't show up every time on the revenge list when I don't recall attacking her in the first place, could check in the diary but too lazy, I'll try to watch out more, because if there is some cheating possible avoiding appearing on the revenge list that's certainly problematic.
OK so I just got hit by her again and she didn't show up on my revenge list. I didn't attack her beforehand so this is not normal. I hope HungryDragon is reading.
Edit: Oh yeah forgot to mention, twice in a row. This is 100% abnormal.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 21, 2017 09:16 PM |
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Galaad said:
Rakshasa92 said:
But maybe when I replace my light elemental with my mist giant (also a stunner) the phoenix will become easier.
Maybe?
Dood Mist Giant is very good, much better than light elemental, max it out ASAP
If you can't stun, silence or cleanse, the Phoenix indeed is impossible to kill, hmm maybe apply luck totems on your stunner? I did it by default but maybe it has an impact on successful hit. Boost the ATK and LUK of your DE with totems too, this for sure has an impact for MUCH higher damage.
My stegosaurus is almost full of totems (only needs more HP totems) now i'm doing my Forest Giant, but I can't magically summon totems from everywhere :-p
My Elephant also needs totems.
My mist giant is stuck, I need more white ankhs, but they are impossible to find right now without the white wish quest, so he is kinda stuck right now. One day he will be complete and ready to replace my light elemental.
But the light elementals mass-attack is soooo good against groups!
EDIT: Can you double-stun creatures? With Forest Giant + Mist Giant?
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted March 21, 2017 11:06 PM |
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Edited by Raenus at 23:30, 21 Mar 2017.
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Since this is looking like it might be a cheating situation here are a couple of names that will not for the life of me show up in my revenge list.
DescryGaming
Loveswar
TY-VCME-HELPTEAM
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 22, 2017 08:52 AM |
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OK guys as you know the guild has become more competitive and a new rule was introduced. Sadly we could notice with Markmasters that a few guild members could not fulfill this requirement during last challenge. It is not an insane requirement and everybody can make it, I've seen Jolly for instance jump from 3k to 5k during the last few hours, this is the minimum. Like Mark says in the rule post if someone has some RL interference during the challenge that's fine, just notice either one of us by HCM and we can decide what course of action to take. I will let it pass for now but I expect more commitment for this guild.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 09:37 AM |
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Did I make it? I made it to 7000, but I can't know what I end with because the last few hours I can't play.
And with Andruids on the lose, he is sure to kick my team a couple of time before the time is up?
What did I end with?
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AxeTerio
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 10:06 AM |
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Edited by AxeTerio at 10:15, 22 Mar 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
Did I make it? I made it to 7000, but I can't know what I end with because the last few hours I can't play.
And with Andruids on the lose, he is sure to kick my team a couple of time before the time is up?
What did I end with?
Go to the Challenge menu, select <Log>, select <Previous> tab and it will show you at the top
lordgraa said:
Galaad said:
Waking up with -850 Prestige, just the regular stuff. 
Welcome to my world 
With those "wakeups" I am still under 5k... I am now able to beat opponents above my level with strong dungeons yet I lack my own dungeon defense - this is my weak spot so I will focus more on strengthening small-sized creatures.
And question for everyone: I know 3dot cretures drop in Battle Tower (not for me yet) but did you get 4dot? I farm like crazy but all I got so far is 0-2 dots 
lmao, try returning to -1200/1700 prestige. On avg I'd say my def is about 10-15% with the last Challenge holding at 11.9% def (10/84)
I still only find 2dot creatures in Battle Tower but I hold hope
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 10:16 AM |
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Edited by hayenne at 10:18, 22 Mar 2017.
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Rakshasa92 said:
I don't want them to remove phoenix, just un-bug it.
My Forest Giant's stun doesn't do snow against them, and so doesn't the siren's cleansing, they still get one-hit killed by the phoenix.
My dark elf and light elementals super attacks do NOTHING to the phoenix. So the phoenix is impossible to kill.
I can mostly kill most other creatures, but of course I die as much as I win against people, my team is pretty good so I don't understand why I can't win against a freaking phoenix, like EVEr, I always ignore fights against phoenix, even against lower level players.
But maybe when I replace my light elemental with my mist giant (also a stunner) the phoenix will become easier.
Whoa whoa, slow down, you
Firstly, dulkan described exactly what needs to be done to counter the Phoenix. Its special hits one target for 450% PWR delayed damage (1 turn burn) and it needs to be cleansed. As you can imagine 450% PWR is a death order for any green creature, a very high probability of death of any other creature and something in lines of 9500 damage to blue creatures, such as the Siren. (my Siren sometimes outlive the damage if she's full HP) However, with one of your units hopefully has the Defender tome, which means some 50-70% times it will be the primary target of the Phoenix, not the healer. You'll just need to make sure your cleanser has enough mana to cleanse the affected unit then.
That is to say, the Phoenix is a very powerful creature and requires a bit of DPS to bring down due to 30% max HP self heal. You might want to replace a few greens* in your team with other colours as they deal reduced damage to it ^^
* Hey, I have more grounds to complain, 2 units of my only strike team are green. And I have nothing good to replace them with!
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AxeTerio
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 10:34 AM |
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Edited by AxeTerio at 19:45, 22 Mar 2017.
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markmasters said:
Hey Y'all
In my example, after the yellow creatures there is a Minotaur (red boss). So if the yellow wave succeeds in killing a blue creature, the boss wave will be significantly harder for the attacker. Also if the attacker used a lot of green creatures to overcome the yellow wave, the minotaur might give them a hard time.
So in this way waves can help to 'support' each other (pretty cool!) which I think is a key concept to dungeon defenses.
A few short beginners tips:
- Don't have enough creatures? Use the smaller dungeon because bosses will be MUCH weaker if not every slot is filled
- Avoid using (a lot) of healers as defenders {since} attackers can easily build up their creatures mana pool on them without being in peril of getting nuked. A creature that can resurrect a fallen creature can be quite good though.
- Stick to the smaller dungeon if you use under leveled creatures (like level ones) in the bigger dungeon, they will just supply free mana.
Please feel free to discuss if you disagree with my points or have advice yourself! We can all still learn  .
Good luck with the challenge!
Great post sir
I like the monotone color defense wave idea before a boss to eliminate its elemental nemesis.
As we have discussed more viable tomes to be used in Dungeon Defense, I think the Hunter one is good as most attackers would use their biggest creatures; hence hitman Hyena.
Lunatic said:
The first boss wave is crucial too in my opinion cause it can either kill something off if you have a good boss there {and} force the enemy to use up a lot of his mana...which makes the usually strong setable wave 4 a lot more valuable too.
YES! I've found quite a few opponents hide their lvl 90 Boss here and put their weaker one in the last phase to goad ppl into attacking recklessly.
The first wave I find most important as the opponent will be at its guaranteed weakest. Are the mana balls they create by attacking based on damaged inflicted or turns taken?
I know we have expressed the value of nukers but what about Buffer/Debuffers on defense which may be able to stall a team long enough for a good Nuker to kill something?
I was thinking of Clockwork, Kobold Captain, Griffin, Butterfly etc
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 11:02 AM |
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I finally found a 4 dot small creature sunday, but it is the bee-warrior.
A creature I almost never encounter and never find in chests... gonna be a hell to fully awaken it!
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted March 22, 2017 12:34 PM |
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AxeTerio said:
I like the monotone color defense wave idea before a boss to eliminate its elemental nemesis.
Yesterday I was a "victim" of this tactic. First wave was completly BLACK so whatever I did wasnt enough to save my Diamond Golem (only 4dot I have) who can strike with 16x bonus.
Next wave was RED and so the same fate was delivered to my Forest Giant (my stun force).
Boss - BLACK Vampire and I had no stun, no multiplier, no enemy color = quick death. 
Soooo... its working! 
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The Shadows Over Ashan (H7 community DLC)
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AncientDruids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted March 22, 2017 02:48 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
I finally found a 4 dot small creature sunday, but it is the bee-warrior.
I'm jealous. They definitely are difficult to find, but with 4 dots, it must be a siren-killer.
They can be found in floor 49 of battle tower (good luck with that) and on 'Might over Magic' quest iirc.
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AxeTerio
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 22, 2017 07:51 PM |
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dulkan said:
I just finished all grand wishes on king and got a spider queen from the idol.
What color affinity and rarity is she?
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