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markkur
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posted October 20, 2016 01:16 AM

Well then JJ I guess I saw a lot of "progressive" dogs and didn't know it when I was growing up.

With you 110% percent Artu. My hair is silver and if someone has a problem and then made it verbal? I would tell them to look elsewhere. And if my hair falls out...so be it. Not buying anything to be someone I am not. Nor if I was bald would I grow hair one side of my head to a foot in length too comb it over to the other side and hide my dome. Sooo natural! The number of "Wolves in sheep's-clothing" I've seen over the years that practice that technique is sad.

But this is an image-world now and not about content.

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posted October 20, 2016 02:32 PM

artu said:
JJ said:
Today, every frigging artist behave like they also have to be a super model. And it's sad to think there are some Ella Fitzgerald's out there who are not making it because they are fat.  

Nah.

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posted October 20, 2016 07:35 PM

@JJ
I've never been a fan of trigger warnings.

I've finally understood why people feel such a need.

artu said:
It's never a good idea to repress sexuality, we know that especially since Freud. Sorry if Jesus wasn't around to catch up with the work but his followers also have libidos and a subconscious.


If someone falls to their instincts it's their fault for not being strong enough, the common-folk is simply unable to be held up to the higher standard required by classic philosophy and the Christianity of old.

That's not an excuse not to try, if men can resist their compulsions it can be a sign of their high self-control, and if they can achieve that it becomes more than the conquest of a moral high-ground, or the goal of a philosophy, but it can help them achieve more without distractions (I know, stale example).

The idea of a free sexuality isn't helpful to the growth of societies, and so it has been opposed throughout the past, today however that is not our goal anymore, we're content with our growth, and so we may relax the higher standards held up in the past.

artu said:

The infrastructure changed. People marry much later in life, also live much longer, may get divorced along the way. They actually want to spend time and get to know each other before they marry, and of course, if they choose to marry. During all this, when they're inevitably attracted to each other, there is no reason to avoid sex when birth control is a piece of cake now. Besides, women are no longer seen as men's property, hence, their sexuality is no longer a taboo in the sense that it should be preserved for "the owner." I see all of this as progress and a good thing, not as "degeneration of public morale."


That's what I term the "shift", not needing to grow anymore we feel we're allowed to not procreate, without renouncing the enjoyment of the act itself, and so you come to the "clash".

What I mean by clash is what the modern viewpoint is compared to the old viewpoint, the reason of the obsession by religious people is that they adhere to the old viewpoint, in which it is the duty of every man to produce offspring, and make it so it grows in a stable environment, compared to the modern viewpoint in which it is a choice of those who agree to produce said offspring.
That obsession is a result of not accepting that somebody may shirk from its duty towards God, or the human race as a whole, depending on your views.
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posted October 21, 2016 12:51 AM

Neraus said:
If someone falls to their instincts it's their fault for not being strong enough, the common-folk is simply unable to be held up to the higher standard required by classic philosophy and the Christianity of old.

Actually, "the higher-standard" is nothing unique to Christianity, in most patriarchal, agricultural societies, sexuality, especially female sexuality is a taboo, "virginity" is blessed etc. It's not because of any philosophy, the philosophy is a dressing to rationalize a way of organizing reproduction and family under very certain circumstances. And in accordance, as those circumstances change, it ceases to be a taboo. Some places are just faster or had a headstart about this change.

We have no way of knowing what problems repressed sexuality caused in the past since there is not much recorded data about it and since "the pursuit of happiness" wasn't exactly a priority for medieval peasants. Looking at how celibacy  causes child molestation etc to skyrocket in our times when such "flawed results" are no longer kept inside the house, we can assume those "higher standards" weren't exactly working like a clock in the past either. But since most regular people married very young and also died quite young, I guess, there wasn't much of an issue in general. So:
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The idea of a free sexuality isn't helpful to the growth of societies, and so it has been opposed throughout the past, today however that is not our goal anymore, we're content with our growth, and so we may relax the higher standards held up in the past.

It's simpler actually. Under certain conditions where uncontrolled sex had unwanted results such as fatherless children, epidemic disease and most importantly, for men who will pass on their heritage, an uncertainty about their paternal line, sexual taboos served an organizational purpose and turned into social norms. Those social norms got embedded in religion just like some command about "not stealing your neighbor's goat" would. Those conditions no longer exist, so the taboos fade away but since religious dogma has the claim of universality and eternity, a religious perspective can't pronounce the situation as it is. So, it's either some very unorthodox "reinterpretation" of certain verses or preferring to fall behind the new norms and choose an ultra-conservative life. The problem comes up when they start to present this as some "higher morality" or in certain cases, even try to dictate it on others, still.
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posted October 22, 2016 01:42 PM
Edited by frostysh at 13:52, 22 Oct 2016.

aru -
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Actually, "the higher-standard" is nothing unique to Christianity, in most patriarchal, agricultural societies, sexuality, especially female sexuality is a taboo, "virginity" is blessed etc. It's not because of any philosophy, the philosophy is a dressing to rationalize a way of organizing reproduction and family under very certain circumstances. And in accordance, as those circumstances change, it ceases to be a taboo. Some places are just faster or had a headstart about this change.
+1, - long time ago this traditions was useful to organize a societies of the humans, but for now - they almost obsolete. Unfortunately a many peoples still following it. And of course in some human societies recognized that the blind following for traditions is doomed, and this societies has adapted their traditional stuff to the modern realities, but in some societies that is not happens yet.
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. Those conditions no longer exist, so the taboos fade away but since religious dogma has the claim of universality and eternity, a religious perspective can't pronounce the situation as it is. So, it's either some very unorthodox "reinterpretation" of certain verses or preferring to fall behind the new norms and choose an ultra-conservative life. The problem comes up when they start to present this as some "higher morality" or in certain cases, even try to dictate it on others, still.

+1, It is a problem, a very ISSUE, of the any unchanging system that is applied as a human society structure. This monolithic societies (not only the religious ones) is doomed from beginning, but they do not know it, this is the Psychology trick - <imo>

Neraus -

-1, your attempt to make importance of the traditions much more that is actually is, and in addition you connecting a totally unproven religious there, you are creating an imaginary "old viewpoint" - that is actually never exist, because in the different times, in the different places of the Earth was DIFFERENT, traditions, the sexuality including of course. i.e. Roman Empire and Old Japan homosexuality, and so on., you are making an useless connection of the God and whole human race - There is a LOT of Gods, in the different places on the Earth, i.e. China Traditional Religious Stuff, Allah, and the Christian God.  . . . so what of you are typing, Is a not very interesting as for my self. <imo>

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posted October 22, 2016 02:17 PM

frostysh said:
...so what of you are typing, Is a not very interesting as for my self. <imo>


touché
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posted October 22, 2016 04:40 PM

@artu
Well, that's why I mentioned classical philosophy, that's my other point of reference when referring to higher standards, Christianity is what I consider closer to home, not disregarding the Roman concept of "mos maiorum", or other societal structures that valued those concepts, which I'm not denying they were to prevent societal problems, and I wasn't arguing that taboos weren't removed, such a shift would encompass this phenomenon, and anyway if we're discussing such a topic is because that happened.

There was a part that I deleted that had to do with the stability of families in the past compared to today, it quickly got ugly though, so I preferred not to post it.

But a quick comparison, the average family of the past was encouraged to have more than five children, to keep the farm running (Running with stereotypes), today couples adopt dogs since they can't afford to have a second child, since the boss would fire the woman.
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posted October 22, 2016 04:58 PM
Edited by markkur at 17:01, 22 Oct 2016.

Neraus said:
...today couples adopt dogs since they can't afford to have a second child, since the boss would fire the woman.


I heard a few months back that in one of the Scandinavian countries that in one survey around 40% of adults are living alone. (didn't mention if they had pets)

To me that actually would be a natural outcome if people grow up eating alone or sitting alone and there is no such thing as the "family table". <imo> The old world traditions were the bedrock of America but those have been hugely impacted by fast-food and the electronic age.

I was astounded recently when someone said many young people did not know who to cook food...make a dinner.

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posted October 22, 2016 05:57 PM

Neraus -

First off - whahaha.

Yeah, very good that you have remembered Roman Empire, and braindamaged stuff there .

Can you imagine WHAT a level or mortality is need, to hold the population on the 1 million level through a centuries.... ? This was a population of the Rome itself.
Actually, many Historians agreed that the mortality level was more than a birth level, so constant level of population holding only because of immigration , at least acording to the Wikipedia and it sources.
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Roman demography bears comparison to available data for India and rural China in the early 20th century, where life expectancies at birth were also in the low 20s.[4]

Demography of the Roman Empire

Roman Empire, and the Rome itself, was a hellhole, like a frigging Pakistan or rural China areas nowadays. .. Of what the hell you talking about "family stability" - This is nonsense, that is little bit disconnected with a reality.

As the whole Ancient Earth - the Roman Empire was a FULL of nonsense traditions, mythological braindamaged stuff, and so on - The rules about a sexuality, marriage, and so - was no exception from this long and bloody list ... .

your "mos maiorum" is just unapplyable to the large amount peoles in the modern conditions, it is only useful in the some sects, and cults.  

In the modern condition, the any successful state is need for a Modern Laws, that is regulating the sexuality stuff i.e. In any other cases, you will obtain a DPRK or a frigging Khaliphat, I mean a useless a powerless pawn-like states. . Perhaps I am going too far, but anyway main thing is next - the Most of the traditions/LAWS-like stuff of the past have lost their usability and actuality, almost any attempts to resurrect this dead bodies will be doomed from a beginning.

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I was astounded recently when someone said many young people did not know who to cook food...make a dinner.
I was jsut wonder, if we give the IPhone to the teen of the past, will he/she start to cooking it on the fire .

I mean, in nowadays 14-y old can create a 3D models, and make a Scientific calculation that you can say - Wow! looking on it . So <imo> not so bad comparing to the past.


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posted October 22, 2016 07:09 PM

@frostysh

You don't have any historical context, at all.

You do realise that back then there was no modern medicine? You do seem to underestimate the impact of antibiotics, vaccines and common pharmaceuticals.
Even if Rome compared to its neighbours had sewers and aqueducts, it had a basic level of medical care, and it couldn't withstand the impact of big plagues.
Indeed, plagues destroyed civilisations, the Roman population was decimated by the so called Antonine plague, and after that everything went downhill, if you can't believe it look at what happened to Europe after the black death, or after the Spanish flu in 1918.
The Roman empire was the most multicultural entity of the time, and sadly, that can be the vector of diseases brought from far lands, and when an organism isn't used to a particular disease the result is catastrophic, just look at what happened when the Spaniards brought small-pox to the American natives.
Romans were pretty advanced considering the time, but didn't have our knowledge on toxic materials, there is some speculation that there were frequent cases of lead poisoning caused by the water tubes they used, you could die of a common cold and especially of child birth.

Not only, you disrespect the heritage of the most important actor in western history, what laid the foundation of modern societies, and especially the nation that started its days of glory as a Republic, not as a state ruled by a tyrant, or a great general.
It was the state that allowed the Greek school of thought to expand within its confines, and adopted the Greek uses in its aristocracy, preparing the base for modern philosophers.

Next time you want to say that some ancient people were more stupid than you, I'd advise rolling in the mud, emit some guttural sound, then bask in your own ignorance, because if not for the work of every single man before your birth you'd still be at the level of the caveman.

By the way, you are following the descendant of Roman law, there is no need to resurrect it, it's still living in your penal code, albeit altered.
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posted October 22, 2016 07:43 PM

frostysh said:
So <imo> not so bad comparing to the past.


"a Scientific calculation" will not feed you...tasty, healthy home cooking. Nor will it instruct you that a family-circle that habitually sits together around a supper-table, is a stronger foundation than members doing their own "solitary instant eating."

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posted October 22, 2016 08:44 PM
Edited by frostysh at 20:49, 22 Oct 2016.

Neraus -
Neraus said:
@frostysh
You don't have any historical context, at all.
Of course I have not.. Holy Shining Empire of Romans was, not a hellhole , but ahh. I just want to ask you have studied History in the Catholic Church School , don't you ? .
Neraus said:

You do realise that back then there was no modern medicine? You do seem to underestimate the impact of antibiotics, vaccines and common pharmaceuticals.

Combaning this fact with a braindamaging traditions, applying to the 1 million population city - and you will get a hellhole. Yep, that is what I have said, the life condition, the society reality of the past was little bit not so good as it is described in the Hollywod movies such as Camelot

I mean the traditions of the past was somekind of the result of the life conditions there. It is obviously unplayable/zero_importance in the modern states.

I.e. you do not need make a castration/raping of the member of the Senate , that things that can easily took it's place in the Roman Empire, with the agreement of the mob , of course. But perhaps the modern mob will actually desire for it - I am joking...
Neraus said:

Even if Rome compared to its neighbours had sewers and aqueducts, it had a basic level of medical care, and it couldn't withstand the impact of big plagues.

What neighbors ? - The Ancient Egypt? The Ancient Empire in the Messopotamia, Persia , and further to the East - Mega China ,  . And you are sure about their "low" skill compared the Roman guys ? .
A frigging Babylon i.e.


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Old Babylonian Cylinder Seal. hematite. This seal was probably made in a workshop at Sippar (about 40 miles north of Babylon on the map above) either during, or shortly before, the reign of Hammurabi.[15] It depicts the king making an animal offering to the Sun god Shamash.

Babylon

This is a damm old thing you know, the frigging Babylon is a first megalopolis on the Earth, and I have thoughts that Roman guys learned a lot from their "neighbors" . This is including the Architecture and so on.

So again - I am not totally denieng Roman Empire from a technological advances, but I am saying that Roman Empire was a hellhole of the Acnient Earth, nothin more! Same as Ancient Egypt, and Persia, and China.. perhaps in something Roman guys have success, in something they have not, but in general - a hellhole it was.
Neraus said:
Indeed, plagues destroyed civilisations, the Roman population was decimated by the so called Antonine plague, and after that everything went downhill, if you can't believe it look at what happened to Europe after the black death, or after the Spanish flu in 1918.

First off - Do you relize that if you want to hold the population on the 1 million, preventing a geometric progression like rising (we even can say exponential growing), you need a continious Antonine plague trough a centuries . Or a life conditions like in the Pakistan hellhole, so what have a more influence on the population of the Rome ?

Second off, - I thought not only "black death" but the great famine, caused such drascatically decreasing of population in the Medieval Europe. The famine itself was caused not only by a plague, but (mostly) by a poor life condtions, but obviously, I think Medieval life Conditions was better than in Ancient times.
I.e. this famine from a row of , of the famines ...
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The Great Famine started with bad weather in spring 1315. Global crop failures lasted through 1316 until the summer harvest in 1317, and Europe did not fully recover until 1322. The period was marked by extreme levels of crime, disease, mass death and even cannibalism and infanticide. The crisis had consequences for the Church, state, European society, and for future calamities to follow in the fourteenth century.

Great Famine of 1315–17

A pity useless traditions, a archaic social structure, "church everywhere" , and so on , and viola - the Europe is defenseless against famine. .
Neraus said:
 
The Roman empire was the most multicultural entity of the time, and sadly, that can be the vector of diseases brought from far lands, and when an organism isn't used to a particular disease the result is catastrophic, just look at what happened when the Spaniards brought small-pox to the American natives.

The bacteria stuff of course is important, but ahh, I think it is can made a drascatical influence on the population, ONLY if it is combined with a another factors - such as an idiotic traditions, a very bad life conditions of the large mass of peoples (like ghetto in Rome ), and so on, of course this a paradise for a new "intruder" bacteria stuff, that have brought a poor Roman solider from The Egypt yeah ... .

Neraus said:
Romans were pretty advanced considering the time, but didn't have our knowledge on toxic materials, there is some speculation that there were frequent cases of lead poisoning caused by the water tubes they used, you could die of a common cold and especially of child birth.

no they not, I will say even more - the most of Technologically advanced stuff was on the East before the High Medieval, imho. This is including the Medicine, and so on, important technologies for an existing of the large masses of the peoples, but of course some Greece stuff was amazing too.

I think you are making a typo mistake, you saw too much of Camelot movies, and now you concentrate your attention only in West stuff, but the was a lot of Advanced Civilization (and hell large civilization!) on the East too, and that hellholes perhaps was even little bit better than a Roman stuff. <imo>

Neraus said:
Not only, you disrespect the heritage of the most important actor in western history, what laid the foundation of modern societies, and especially the nation that started its days of glory as a Republic, not as a state ruled by a tyrant, or a great general.

Modern societies that you see, took only the SOME very particular parts from the Ancient stuff - such as a Structure of the Laws, and Civic systems, the Roman Empire was an amazing in this case (almost as the Mongols with their Blitzkrieg military tactics, that has been used widely everywhere).

But of course, such madness as a Slavery, as a raping, zero-human right, racial-sexual-cultural-and so on discrimination, public torturing of victims, sex with animals, and so on - this stuff was a very important things for the guys that have developed your "mos maiorum", and of course such nonsense, cannot be used in the modern conditions, if you want to avoid a catastrophe with your state...

Neraus said:

It was the state that allowed the Greek school of thought to expand within its confines, and adopted the Greek uses in its aristocracy, preparing the base for modern philosophers.
If we are talking about a typo Philosophy, the Chine guys there is unbitable I think . I am joking, Philosophy - it is a very cool, but I thought taht you will mention a cool Science stuff in Greece, that have changed life on Earth same as a Chariots from the Egypt .
Neraus said:
Next time you want to say that some ancient people were more stupid than you, I'd advise rolling in the mud, emit some guttural sound, then bask in your own ignorance, because if not for the work of every single man before your birth you'd still be at the level of the caveman.
I will say it again - the guys of the ancient, before the Enlightment times was stupid, was a dark, and idiotic, for an exceptions of some Science-like Philosophers and thinkers, but even they have a many nonsense in their heads, perhaps.

In general, the guys of the Ancient times compared to the modern guys, looks a very pity, in the term of the Nature understanding, etc, so yeah, they was stupid like trees.

Neraus said:
By the way, you are following the descendant of Roman law, there is no need to resurrect it, it's still living in your penal code, albeit altered.
Especially the law about Slavery, arm cutting and so on, but Indeed the Structure of the Roam Law is very cool, and using nowadays, same as Mongol's Blitzkrieg, Egyptian Triangle, Wheels and etc etc .

markkur -
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"a Scientific calculation" will not feed you...tasty, healthy home cooking. Nor will it instruct you that a family-circle that habitually sits together around a supper-table, is a stronger foundation than members doing their own "solitary instant eating."
yeah, the Science calculation will feed millions, not only myself.
And of course it is easy to learn a modern teen how to cook, and it is not so easy to learn a past 14-old kid how make a cool 3D models..  The knowledge like that, the modern teens gets "automatically" like the teens of the past "automatically" gets the knowledge of how to shoot a bird in the wild-wild west territory...

P.S. I am sorry for the lot of smiles, it is my addiction, among with the attraction to the cool images .
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posted October 22, 2016 09:54 PM
Edited by Neraus at 21:55, 22 Oct 2016.

Listen up, you better be clear about what you want to talk about, if we're talking about Rome, we're talking about the west, since, you know, Rome is in the west, if we're talking about the ancient world as a whole say it, we're going too off-topic if we're going to discuss Rome's achievements compared to China.

I'd like to remind you, once again, even if it's apparently falling on deaf ears since the first times you posted, if humans were so incredibly stupid there would have been no progress and modern knowledge needs a base, so stop with this idiocy of calling humans of the past dumb, since it's not like the humans of today are shining in intelligence.
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posted October 23, 2016 02:45 PM
Edited by frostysh at 20:58, 23 Oct 2016.

Neraus -

First off - Whhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaah.

Second off.

1) Ancient means something near [3000BC, 400AD] in frostysh mind, at least.

2) West - , Neraus, dude, not only the West, frigging Middle East too, because if we cut down frigging Middle East, the very little amount of Ancient History of the West will left for discussion - I am joking, anyway you have got a pint, that I am talking about Ancient Civilizations Such "Persia" guys, China guys, and Roman guys, Egypt guys, there is also the Idia-guys but ...ew them , I am joking, I have no disrespect to the India Ancient Civilization.

3) The Ancient Rome civilization sux, the life there sux, the life o teens there sux , of what civilization you talking without a frigging toilet paper
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Using the bathroom has come a long way from when ancient Greeks used stones and pieces of clay for personal hygiene. Toilet paper is one of those things that often gets taken for granted in modern times, except for places Charmin has yet to infiltrate. This is definitely one of those unavoidable things in life, so through many centuries and in many cultures, everyone had their own method of staying clean. Be warned: We’re going to get specific.

Ancient Romans were a bit more sophisticated than the Greeks when it came to cleansing: They opted for a sponge on the end of a long stick that was shared by everyone in the community. When not in use, that stick stayed in a bucket of heavily salted seawater in the communal bathroom. The public facilities were also equipped with a long marble bench with holes carved out for—well, you know what they were carved out for—and holes at the front for your sponge on a stick to slide through. Romans didn’t have dividing walls, either, so you sat right next to that cute girl from the insulae down the road.

What Did People Use Before Toilet Paper?
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Although paper had been known as a wrapping and padding material in China since the 2nd century BC,[2] the first documented use of toilet paper in human history dates back to the 6th century AD, in early medieval China.[1] In 589 AD the scholar-official Yan Zhitui (531–591) wrote about the use of toilet paper:

Toilet paper

This is a joking of course, but if you want to realize how the life was in the Ancient Rome guys, you can imagine an Afghanistan rural areas with law-ordering system like DPRK .

3) If we are talking about the better place for a teens, in the Ancient Earth, - <imo> it is a China, even regardless of their genitals-cutting laws  actually after playing the "The Prince of Persia"



I have liked the Persia like mythology nonsense, but if we are talking about the General Power of the Ancient Civilizations (Science - Technological level, Population and it potential, The Industry like stuff, social/cultural potential, military, ... )

The Ancient China guys is looks formidable as for myself, but of course you can correct frostysh.

4) I very want to continue unleash a bucket of sarcasm and scepticism on your Catholic-Church-University history , but I fear the mighty moderator will say that I am trolling you , and he/she will ban poor frostysh , again. so I would better to suggest you looking for data in this recource (that is looks not so bad in term of Propaganda especially )



Which civilization was the world's most advanced in antiquity?

There you find a dozens of pages of the hollywar  , there is the much more better nonsense, than you are typing in this topic, .

5) The highest respect that you can show to the History, it is not the respect to the peoples of the past, but the making the attempt to show the History facts, and event as it actually was, without any of a mystification, lie, and propaganda .... - frostysh 2016AD.
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posted October 23, 2016 09:32 PM

Alright, I'll concede on the location issue, since I should have specified west and near east, but still, the far east was not the concern of the original discussion.

I thought we were talking about Roman morals and mores, not who invented toilet paper or was further in technological fields, do we have to make a comparison with Meso-american civilisations too now?

But I already over-indulged too much with you, and brought a discussion completely off-topic, so don't even bother to respond, I'm sure you will write another "enlightened" response on the hypothethical North Korean Afghanis that are dressed up in Roman armour, but I won't even bother again...
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posted October 23, 2016 10:10 PM
Edited by frostysh at 22:16, 23 Oct 2016.

Neraus -

I have a poor understanding of what the hell you type, due to my low English, but you have stared to post some incoherent stuff about the "the family stability, cool moral of the past, and weak modern morality".  . .
Neraus said:

If someone falls to their instincts it's their fault for not being strong enough, the common-folk is simply unable to be held up to the higher standard required by classic philosophy and the Christianity of old. . . .

I consider closer to home, not disregarding the Roman concept of "mos maiorum", or other societal structures that valued those concepts, which I'm not denying they were to prevent societal problems . . .

That obsession is a result of not accepting that somebody may shirk from its duty towards God, or the human race as a whole, depending on your views.  . . .

There was a part that I deleted that had to do with the stability of families in the past compared to today, it quickly got ugly though, so I preferred not to post it. . .

And so on, you "high moral of the past" nonsense make me laugh, i.e. I have imagine the guys that have created mos maiorum , have a few slaves for a raping, and hard work, children age, if the slaves become boring to their masters, they throw it up/sold like a trash..
The slaves in the Ancient Rome, was everywhere, where they can be putted, and where they cannot.  

And you talking about some "high morality of the society of the past" , about a "high-moral classical things", and trying to compare it to the nowadays, this is ridiculous... <imo>
and Your nonsense about some "duty" is just a crazy ,

Perhaps that was a bad idea for frostysh, to start conversation about the almost useless theology, mythology like "high morals" and stuff ... I have no doubts, mr markkur, and/or mr/mrs artu will make a good theological answer for you .
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posted October 23, 2016 10:52 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 22:54, 23 Oct 2016.

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And so on, you "high moral of the past" nonsense make me laugh, i.e. I have imagine the guys that have created mos maiorum , have a few slaves for a raping, and hard work, children age, if the slaves become boring to their masters, they throw it up/sold like a trash..
The slaves in the Ancient Rome, was everywhere, where they can be putted, and where they cannot.  


Certainly some slaves were treated like trash, but many saw to the wellbeing of their property as their condition reflected on the masters, as an aristocrat last thing you'd want is slaves who looked shabby and had to be beaten all the time, you wanted them prim and proper, and preferrably not to slit your throat in the night or bang your wife (prime Roman concerns).
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posted October 23, 2016 11:12 PM
Edited by frostysh at 23:12, 23 Oct 2016.

tSar-Ivor said:

Certainly some slaves were treated like trash, but many saw to the wellbeing of their property as their condition reflected on the masters, as an aristocrat last thing you'd want is slaves who looked shabby and had to be beaten all the time, you wanted them prim and proper, and preferrably not to slit your throat in the night or bang your wife (prime Roman concerns).

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The average recorded age at death for the slaves of the city of Rome was extraordinarily low: seventeen and a half years (17.2 for males; 17.9 for females)

Slavery in ancient Rome

~1/3 - 1/6 of population are slaves, through a ~300 years, and an average living time 18-25 years, you can imagine the scale...  
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posted October 24, 2016 12:06 AM

Thread title change proposal: The knowlage of history degradation of todays teens/young adults.

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posted October 24, 2016 02:51 PM
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Homer171 said:
Thread title change proposal: The knowlage of history degradation of todays teens/young adults.

Okay, ahh.., but I have no doubts that such knowledgeable person as you can, explain to the poor frostysh, about the slavery in the Ancient Earth, much more better than Wikipedia.org, will be really great if you will compare slavery level in the different civil. such as Ancient China, Roman Empire, Ancient Egypt, Ancient India, Ancient Persia - like stuff, perhaps Ancient civil. of the America continent. Sc... the Australia and the Central/South Africa the Stone Age was there .  
I think the most of slaves was a teens, or a young age humans, because they are most attractive, and a perspective in the case of the sexual abuse and the hard work. In Rome, i.e., through it's Ancient history. according to the Wikipedia, such slave-teens, is  very unlikely will live longer than 18 years old, perhaps the reasons of that is a high moral of their masters .
It is will a cool addition to the "very high moral life of the teens of the past" part of the topic.

So Hmmm?  
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