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posted October 12, 2016 10:43 PM |
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Edited by phe at 22:53, 12 Oct 2016.
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Salamandre said:
This is of course not true. For the simple reason that a video or a book doesn't target one person but any person, so the
content it conveys may require certain prior information. So, without the possibility of a dialog, some will be stuck,
however it isn't the author's fault.
right, but for known prior information description can be found easily...for lesser known should be some link for it...
Salamandre said:
Take for example the automatization of most of social services today, as anecdote. You call, a robot is answering you. The
people who coded this robot thought at covering almost all possible situations, conflicts and questions, however how does
that every time one calls, he feels like his specific need isn't in the list?
we should enhance robot if it works not to good...similar we don't get still guarantee of proper answer from human if they don't know good an issue...
Neraus said:
'm of the firm belief that Italian schools are the best in the world... how come that we Italians are so desired when it
comes to actually doing the job?
artu said:
Why do you think some universities have more prestige than others? They all have the access to the same books or videos,
don't they.
I believe that more important is quality of people than schools themselves...if Italians are so desired so they are clever...
for best schools attend usually most clever people (in learning but sometimes not too wise or honest) because of prestige etc...but unfortunately they form sometimes cliques of business, state positions and block other people access to education, information, positions etc...
once universities had some role because of limited access to books, some scientific equipment, gathering clever people, slow information flow...now there is access to books(unfortunately only with allowed knowledge), these scientist don't have to work in the same place etc... universities are unnecessary and expensive... scientific progress was and still is possible in private laboratories, workshops, companies etc...
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frostysh
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posted October 13, 2016 09:03 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 09:10, 13 Oct 2016.
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phe -
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science somehow developed in ancient Greece and Roman Empire without universities...
And you are sure about that . . . ?  And I will say that the Science has been developed on the East and the migrated to the West through a teachings  .
Ancient Egyptian technology There also was some triangles an stuff .
Science of Iran - Ancient Persia technologies
Do you know the origin of the word Algebra ? I mean it is a Muslim stuff. <imo> in the Ancient Roman Empire was nothin' interesting except their laws, not the laws itself (especially of some laws ) but the structure of the laws  , it is a very useful indeed.
The so-called Western Civilization sux great compared to the rest of Earth, before the High Medieval Times, and of course a super jump after the Great Famine and the Black Death horror  - the so-called Enlightening begins
But for sure you have a poor idea about the word Science - this word usually means that a Scientific Method somehow involved, which is a very different from the Ancient Egypt, Persia, Greece stuff.
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universities were created in Italy and what they were at the beginning...they learned medieval dogmas about world...
the same was in communist, nazi and democratic states...backwarded dogmas corresponding to current regime ...unmoral experiments, lies, many unnecessary "professors" of unnecessary subjects who reported to secret services, spies, church, lobbies or even criminals, about "suspected" colleagues and students or make some business on schools or were corrupted,
sexual abusing or wrote thesis for somebody else for money.
A nonsense.
And obviously you have no information about sex with a different things by males in the Ancient Rome and laws about that Whahahha.
Homosexuality in ancient Rome
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and what's now for sure all these people of universities do mind free education...they are reluctant to technological changes, politics changes and savings changes...they are red tape, trade union and often criminals nothing more...
A nonsense.
You have no idea what is Science means. And the propaganda stuff is existing in through whole times in the Human Civilizations.
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Worthy scientist should work about their goals without wasting time on teaching...they write books and that's enough...
I have no doubts, the guys like this one may totally agreed with you
Richard Feynman
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after hundreds years of teaching I think we don't need teachers...just books, videos, good description...
and your thoughts is a nonsense.
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many people including scientist because of their atheism are moral relativists, have no ethics at all or profess humanism as fake religion...they live at expense of others often innocent and helpless...their contribution in development is relative or even negative...such value have their lives either...
The religion is the fake religion . But not the Humanism - it is a successful product of the evolution of the Human Civilization on Earth. And it is a very important for it's serviceability due to the Modern World conditions. . <imo>
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Teachers DO matter.
+1 - yep, I cannot disagree with it, in the modern conditions, that is totally different from the Ancient Science that whole of it can be grasped only by reading a single thin book, the so-called Modern Science is an endless ocean, compared to the past, where you obviously will need a good teacher and/or a teaching program.
OhforfSake - if your advice is directed to the poor frostysh, I will answer that I cannot try different programs for a browsing that is incomparable with Tor Network or similar to it, Networks. Nor I want  .
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phe
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posted October 13, 2016 11:51 AM |
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Edited by phe at 11:54, 13 Oct 2016.
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frostysh said:
And you are sure about that . . . ? And I will say that the Science has been developed on the East and the migrated to the West through a teachings .
I don't claim that science was created in Greece and Rome and was all science of ancient times.....I say only they had achievements in science...
are you sure that science migrated through teachings and not by scrolls of knowledge?...
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frostysh
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posted October 14, 2016 12:28 PM |
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Edited by frostysh at 12:36, 14 Oct 2016.
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phe -
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I don't claim that science was created in Greece and Rome and was all science of ancient times.....I say only they had achievements in science...
Perhaps I have misunderstood you .
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science somehow developed in ancient Greece and Roman Empire without universities...
But in the any cases, I have found a many similar with a bunch of peoples sitting around some Archimedes and listening to boring stuff about how water and wheel things can be used ,
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The School of Athens - Raphael, 16th c. AD. - Wikipedia
and the modern University Physics class .
But there is a difference, as I said the all knowledge of the ancient guys in the Physics can be gathered into a small , thin brochure . But to understand how a two small particles is crashing each other, the modern guys is need for a something like that
Anyway, there is a magic in the any cases .
Can you name the any great Physicist i.e., that have no education in the University like stuff?
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are you sure that science migrated through teachings and not by scrolls of knowledge?...
Perhaps it is because my poor English, when I typed teachings, I mean next few variants, i.e.
1) Someone in Greece read the Persian Science-like marbles , translated it to the crazy Greece language, and teaching among others.
2) Someone from Persia is going to the Greece, and there writing scrolls, speaking with guys and so on, about the Science like Persian marbles. .
There is a lot connection between Persia and Greece in the past. The many things (and especially a Science things) transported from the Ancient Egypt, through the Ancient Persia, to the Ancient Greece and obviously further into a Roman Empire.
Even the banners (obviously the government is need for a cool looks like banners for the folks  .
Ancient Persia banner stuff.
Ancient Rome banner stuff, more young <imo>
There is an Ancient Egypt stuff that is actually little bit wrong described on this picture, this marble is much more older than before mentioned banners altogether. anyway , the main point is next:
Before the High Medieval the so-called West Civilizations was usually as an acceptors but not a donors of the Science, and Technologies (because they have a little interesting stuff to the advanced East guys ). this is in cases of Science, Military technologies, even the Government <imo>.
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