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posted November 16, 2016 05:48 PM |
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Because I find it discomforting and ask you as a friendly gesture to remove it.
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posted November 16, 2016 06:46 PM |
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markkur said:
Oh great all-knowing Artu...am I detached from reality?
well I wouldn't want to make anybody upset but ultimately there's no beating around the bush if you will literally vote in Sauron and the Ringwraiths to lead the world mate lol
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So dont do it.
too late, ouch lol
anyone have some salve lol
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posted November 16, 2016 07:03 PM |
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Try to fix them.
I'm not helping you in this one, mate.
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posted November 16, 2016 11:08 PM |
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artu said:
And the answer to your question is, yes, about this subject, you are out of touch with reality, because you are under the impression that there is still a credible debate going on about evolution, that's why you don't get it when people compare the denials to flat earth "theories."
I like you too Artu but I have to say you are as biased as some of the folks you do not like. In case you have not noticed I am a Christian but I do not want a Christian Theocracy. Faith is personal and that is where the work is.
I've told you before until you "fake" Christianity or whatever to understand how Christians are belittled and talked down to by self-appointed Gods you will never see this topic fully. I was Atheist for 25 years and further I had a Atheism-ranting Dad of the worst sort till he died.
What I want it Freedom for myself and you and everyone else I want nothing dictated to me...nada, zilch, zero. So I sure as hell do not want to steer anyone let alone a nation my way.
As far as my being out of touch with reality...whew! you're being very arrogant and quite rude on this one point. I could be more grounded on Earth than you are my friend but not because of any advantage over you but a serious disadvantage that's called serious chronic pain. May you never experience this but when a person has to navigate small daily issues in living life every day, there is no time for mental joyrides.  Love reigns in my life...nuff said.
When it comes to Politics in the USA or Russia, I trust no one playing the Religion-card.
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posted November 16, 2016 11:11 PM |
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verriker said:
well I wouldn't want to make anybody upset but ultimately there's no beating around the bush if you will literally vote in Sauron and the Ringwraiths to lead the world mate lol
Man, that's really lame. You should get back to HoMM.
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posted November 16, 2016 11:24 PM |
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markkur said:
Man, that's really lame. You should get back to HoMM.
too busy playing Tyranny lol
wishing you a White christmas all the same lol
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posted November 16, 2016 11:31 PM |
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I was never under the impression that you were in favor of a theocracy Markkur, actually I clearly recall you objecting to such a thing in various cases. And I fail to see the connection. Not all Christians deny scientific facts, and as I have learned here, your new VP does, which makes him a certain kind of Christian, a Biblical literalist, now, even a Biblical literalist may not be in favor of a theocracy but that still makes him awful VP material because politicians control and shape education, investment on scientific studies, budget priorities etc etc. So when someone asks "so what if he's a fundamentalist, how does that affect the job." I point out that it actually does.
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posted November 17, 2016 03:17 PM |
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verriker said:
wishing you a White christmas all the same lol
Then we'll wish you a multicultural christmas containing all colors of the rainbow!
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posted November 17, 2016 04:26 PM |
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artu said:
So when someone asks "so what if he's a fundamentalist, how does that affect the job." I point out that it actually does.
The West is entirely far beyond your fears and has been. What I've been advocating and most others is school-choice. I don't want the STATE dictating to Parents period. I understand there are lousy non-parents and if the collective is going to be forced to take care of children then that entails decisions but that situation should be the exception not the rule. Our current Educational process is a vile manipulating joke where you better not have balls.
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posted November 17, 2016 04:29 PM |
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verriker said:
wishing you a White Christmas all the same lol
TY verriker...it will likely be balmy but at least we will not be fighting "Russia's Mysterious Sand Dunes."  Oh the drama of man wrecking the Earth.
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posted November 17, 2016 05:10 PM |
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markkur said:
artu said:
So when someone asks "so what if he's a fundamentalist, how does that affect the job." I point out that it actually does.
The West is entirely far beyond your fears and has been. What I've been advocating and most others is school-choice. I don't want the STATE dictating to Parents period. I understand there are lousy non-parents and if the collective is going to be forced to take care of children then that entails decisions but that situation should be the exception not the rule. Our current Educational process is a vile manipulating joke where you better not have balls.
And I absolutely want the state to dictate parents that kids have to go to school and that it's THE PARENTS'S task to prove to the state that they have the means to make sure their kids get an education elsewhere, and not the other way round
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posted November 17, 2016 06:15 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
verriker said:
wishing you a White christmas all the same lol
Then we'll wish you a multicultural christmas containing all colors of the rainbow!
Do not smear the rainbow Ohforfsake, keep it out of the political sphere.
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posted November 17, 2016 07:47 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
markkur said:
artu said:
So when someone asks "so what if he's a fundamentalist, how does that affect the job." I point out that it actually does.
The West is entirely far beyond your fears and has been. What I've been advocating and most others is school-choice. I don't want the STATE dictating to Parents period. I understand there are lousy non-parents and if the collective is going to be forced to take care of children then that entails decisions but that situation should be the exception not the rule. Our current Educational process is a vile manipulating joke where you better not have balls.
And I absolutely want the state to dictate parents that kids have to go to school and that it's THE PARENTS'S task to prove to the state that they have the means to make sure their kids get an education elsewhere, and not the other way round
I can dig that but here the STATE has taken too much control, As I said, when a Parent is a non-Parent then the community must intercede, however, there are ways to do so and other ways to avoid.
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posted November 17, 2016 07:55 PM |
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Schooling/general education and parenting are two different things, though.
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posted November 21, 2016 01:14 PM |
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Well that's another video we didn't see in the mainstream media, did we?
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posted November 21, 2016 05:59 PM |
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Well that's another video we didn't see in the mainstream media, did we?
I sure didn't but I did hear some of it in other speeches. Someone may have cobbled it together? Idk.
Galaad here is a speech you "may" enjoy by the man I most respect in the U.S. He gives this address at Liberty University which I think is supposedly a Christian U. (I'm not much on buzzwords as you know) However although Faith is obviously implied because of quoting a verse, I like that he simply gives a quote out of the Bible which indirectly relates to the founding of this nation and then applies it to the "future" direction of a Nation.
Of course he is speaking to young Americans but it is my opinion it is important for the future of any Nation. It is advice that is seldom heard today and it needs to be. Far too many people today are ticked-off about something but in reality only want to criticize to then make zero effort on their own.
Edit: I guess it might help to add the link,
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posted November 21, 2016 07:26 PM |
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Galaad said:
Well that's another video we didn't see in the mainstream media, did we?
There's nothing concrete in this video, it's just an add that plays to your emotions using the anti-establishment rhetoric, which as I had been saying all along, is the rhetoric Trump liked to exploit the most. Populists always play to emotion.
You know how every year, Oxford Dictionary chooses a word of the year, like in 2003 it was metrosexual, 2009, it was the tweet, 2013 was the year of the selfie, etc. This year, after the US election, they choose the word of the year as: post-truth. Truth is not relevant anymore. As social media replaces traditional press, where even in most biased papers a minimum level of culpability and fact-checking is present, people are more open to exploitation than ever because it is now more than ever, they pick information with their emotions rather than a rational skepticism. It is estimated that in the U.S.,on Facebook, sharing of the fake news has gone from 3 million to 9 million, while sharing mainstream media has backed down to 7.3 million. And because of the algorithms of such platforms, you mostly see the things shared by people who are thinking very similar to you. It's basically a habitat for lies that duplicate themselves conveniently. After's Trump victory, some of the fabricators of such lies went ahead and confessed straightforward that they regret what they did, they feel partly responsible for Trump's victory, but the advertising income from the clicks were so juicy and Trump's voter base basically shares any click-bait without the slightest need to fact-check at all. Here's one of them, saying Trump's campaign menager directly tweeted his fake news. It just makes me sick to see him presented as the man against the corrupt system.
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posted November 21, 2016 07:50 PM |
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artu said:
There's nothing concrete in this video
As opposed to what the media fed people? I was just taking a jab to people seeing only one side of the coin, and am well aware Trump is far from being Mr. Nice guy mind you.
@Markkur: Thanks I will watch the video and eventually get back at you, but in general I avoid mixing religion with geopolitics.
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posted November 21, 2016 08:04 PM |
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"Populists" don't play with emotion, they tell the truth and ask for ancestral laws to be respected and applied again. Unlike the establishment/leftists/medias which can succeed only if playing with people emotions. The establishment has difficulties identifying people as individuals, hence the label "collectivism". It thinks everyone is part of a group identity that has its own set of "privileges" and "oppressions". When the populist says a lot of illegals are rapists and criminals -which is a fact backed by statistics, the establishment hears "ALL MEXICANS ARE RAPISTS" because it doesn't see good and bad individuals but only Mexicans as an entity. This is emotional response to objective analysis.
Most leftists grow out of it as they get older, left wing revolutions are always initiated by the young which is why socialist tyrannies so often mobilize the young as political bullies. The Chinese red guard students would run around destroying anything traditional, beating people up, chanting Maoist slogans but in their old age many of them expressed regret and shame over their behavior, same with a lot of former stasi and nazis.
History teaches that the establishment is never interested in a peaceful co-existence with other ideologies but only securing government power by any means. When playing with people emotions, is easier to lie and misinform them.
This being said, I agree on that video being rubbish.
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posted November 21, 2016 08:34 PM |
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@Sal
I fail to see how comparing populism to communist dictatorships or Nazism is of any relevance. A communist dictator can also use populism in his speeches, they are not exclusive. Hitler was one of the biggest populists ever and Goebbels propaganda methods are actually considered a cornerstone in the history of populist approaches.
Populism, by default, is anti-intellectual. Rather than concrete policies or projects, it focuses on feeding from the prejudices, fears, religion, traditions, group identity of the masses on an emotional level, telling them what they like to hear. "A lot of Mexican immigrants are rapists" is a completely subjective statement, it's not a statistic and as far as I know, no statistics show that the majority of the Mexican immigrants are criminals. The criminals will of course attract more attention, in a way local criminals won't and exploiting that reaction is exactly playing to emotion. I'm not suggesting every policy aimed at restricting immigration should be, by definition, a populist one but Trump's way of doing it clearly was.
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He gives this address at Liberty University which I think is supposedly a Christian U. (I'm not much on buzzwords as you know)
See, that's what I was talking about. A university should not be Christian or Buddhist or Muslim or whatever:
Liberty University teaches young Earth creationism as an explanation for the appearance of life on Earth. The university works with young Earth creationist organizations including Answers in Genesis. In biology classes students are taught both creationism and evolution and that the former offers the better explanation of biological diversity
Biology is a science, creationism is not. When a Christian biologist from Texas and a Buddhist one from China evaluate the same biological data, they both speak and use the same scientific, universal method. Putting creationism in biology classes is flat out wrong and such a university will not be teaching anything credible. There is a very good reason why your Supreme Court stopped this in public schools.
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