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posted November 09, 2016 03:27 PM |
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You know what they say... you can't stump the trump  At least it's gonna be funny
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posted November 09, 2016 03:38 PM |
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Edited by markkur at 15:41, 09 Nov 2016.
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Galaad said:
I would like to thank the American folks, because while Trump is what he is, Clinton was too much of a threat for the rest of the world, maybe we can avoid WWIII now.
Fingers crossed for the situation in the Middle East to slowly get better.
Best statement yet. Cheers Sir Galaad
I voted for Trump but this there is no easy road ahead. What the man will face that's needs serious change is huge.
The U.S. is in very bad shape (in about everyway imaginable) and I hope the entire Government will weed out the Greed-Mongers and get back to serving this nation. But only time will tell. At least the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama machine has now officially ended.
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posted November 09, 2016 03:41 PM |
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Glad that the other one didn't win.
Now, who is gonna make HC great again ? 
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posted November 09, 2016 03:48 PM |
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alcibiades said:
I really hope that those who say that we Europeans overreact in our fear of Trump are correct ...
... because otherwise, we're totally ****ed. 
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posted November 09, 2016 04:07 PM |
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markkur said:
Galaad said:
I would like to thank the American folks, because while Trump is what he is, Clinton was too much of a threat for the rest of the world, maybe we can avoid WWIII now.
Fingers crossed for the situation in the Middle East to slowly get better.
Best statement yet. Cheers Sir Galaad
I voted for Trump but this there is no easy road ahead. What the man will face that's needs serious change is huge.
The U.S. is in very bad shape (in about everyway imaginable) and I hope the entire Government will weed out the Greed-Mongers and get back to serving this nation. But only time will tell. At least the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama machine has now officially ended.
What makes you assume he will even consider such an idealistic "high road" gets me curious. Trump is a pragmatical populist, who didnt even take his own candidacy seriously in the beginning and he'll go wherever the wind takes him. I understand the concept of tactical voting from first-hand experience but switching from Bernie Sanders to Donald Trump is beyond that, the two represent opposite values in almost every aspect one can come up with, even sorely by their characters. If your "machine" devours both Bush and Clinton, who should be at very different points of a spectrum, you can be sure that Trump is the last person to exclude himself from such a mechanism. Being an outsider of political circles is not necessarily being against them.
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posted November 09, 2016 04:22 PM |
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artu said:
What makes you assume he will even consider such an idealistic "high road" gets me curious.
Every hope a person has (about anything)...is an assumption. Something you want to happen and have to for the most part trust in others that we all get there together.
Trump is no dummy and truly understands that he needs to surround himself with capable minds.
But I digress Artu because what you have and the rest of the non-U.S. people is a biased focus on <imo> the wrong issue. You do not understand how bad this country has been divided over the last decades and badly our middle-class has been gutted. I'd tell you how bad our Educational system has been high-jacked and has made crippled-thinkers that are seeking safe-spaces from reality but from what I've read that you have posted it would be a waste of your time and mine.
No one here seems to understand how close we were drawing to the threat of an accidental nuclear war. At least now, however small, the world has a chance to heal.
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posted November 09, 2016 04:25 PM |
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markkur said:
No one here seems to understand how close we were drawing to the threat of an accidental nuclear war.
I don't know who in their right mind would think that blaming Russia for everything was a good strategy, what did they think, that Putin is a fluffy bear that wouldn't answer to provocations?
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posted November 09, 2016 04:31 PM |
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markkur said:
No one here seems to understand how close we were drawing to the threat of an accidental nuclear war.
I think I misunderstand you, because I don't understand the reasoning behind this. I agree and think it's good that many of us are of various different opinions, but taking the risk of nuclear war seriously based on who's the president is something I have a hard time comprehending.
Unfortunately I think one would have a hard time voting reasonable if one votes out of fear.
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posted November 09, 2016 04:33 PM |
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Actually, I'm pretty familiar with the evoparating middle-class versus big corporation interests issue. I think Sanders was, accurate or innacurate about his solutions, someone who was sincerely dedicated to solve that issue. Trump is, as I said, the opposite by formation.
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posted November 09, 2016 04:38 PM |
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Neraus said:
markkur said:
No one here seems to understand how close we were drawing to the threat of an accidental nuclear war.
I don't know who in their right mind would think that blaming Russia for everything was a good strategy, what did they think, that Putin is a fluffy bear that wouldn't answer to provocations?
Agreed 100% Whatever Putin is he does not seem a man that wants to see the world in flames. I think Trump and Putin could (and desire) to make some serious progress in a respectable manner. If we would have had you-know-who win - the heat would have grown much hotter than it already was. Russia was executing civilian-safety-drills. Yet in the U.S. press...few seemed to give a damn.
Btw, I should correct myself Galaad did get-it. Sorry Dude...still sleepy and all that.
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posted November 09, 2016 04:50 PM |
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posted November 09, 2016 05:08 PM |
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markkur said:
The U.S. is in very bad shape (in about everyway imaginable) and I hope the entire Government will weed out the Greed-Mongers and get back to serving this nation.
just passed the army and the nuclear codes over to the biggest greed-monger in the land mate, I would not be surprised to see a rude awakening on that one lol
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posted November 09, 2016 05:23 PM |
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Luckily, he has to overcome his advisors and a huge state machine which is allergic to sudden changes and trigger-happy cowboys if he ever decides to go wild.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:32 PM |
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You'd truly enjoy Yes, Minister Zenofex, if you haven't seen it already.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:33 PM |
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Well, Brazilians vote for clowns, non educated semi-alphabetized grouch, proved criminals, some even already convicted.
I can see no point nor reason in even debating USAian elections around here (Brazil), because our population doesn't know how to vote, nor give value to its importance.
For USAians, the choice was theirs to make and I do hope that the overall changes go for the better, even if it won't please everyone around the globe, but at least bring marginally what people hope for. Trying to reason motivations amongst us, from so many different countries and politics, is a very bold and pointless task. ^_^ People here are sure that Trump being president, for my country, is worst than Hillary, but I feel like it's quite the opposite, but that might only be shown in the long run. But if it ends really being bad, I'll just hope for mine to do the job right, because we already have a political crisis to focus on.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:40 PM |
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Zenofex said:
Luckily, he has to overcome his advisors and a huge state machine which is allergic to sudden changes and trigger-happy cowboys if he ever decides to go wild.
Exactly, people are often unaware that speeches and political directions are given by the teams and advisors, which are most of time experienced people having already worked for the machine, knowing how to deal with most issues.
PandaTar said:
Well, Brazilians vote for clowns, non educated semi-alphabetized grouch, proved criminals, some even already convicted.
Same here but this is the result of years of brainwashing and terror spread from major medias. So people are unaware of their real power when correctly informed. For example, in the last 6 months, I didn't see a single Trump related info in major medias not calling him names. Or common people are not that stupid, even if some here and there would prefer that. If you don't have real arguments in the back, empty tags as "racist, xenophobic and rapist" do the opposite effect, they only show people using them are clueless and cornered.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:47 PM |
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Aye. I only saw bad things here around Trump, most of those seemed to reflect something like his 'persona', aside the political inference his capabilities are. Media was hoping for Hillary winning, which would feel much less democratic, given it would make the same kind of power holding tight for longer, but again, Media here was supporting the awful kind of government in power for almost 14 years.
For us, to be that civilized when voting and realizing the truth behind the veil, that's far from happening. It'll ignite someday, but it'll be a very weak fire at first.
Trump might be many things, but the thing that I most felt sure of was that he might be just like that. Hillary felt like there was a dense and dangerous mask hiding something else.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:50 PM |
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A man alone doesn't rule an entire country. Even dictators don't dictate on their own. He's always surrounded by a system composed of institutions and particular people. So one shouldn't imagine that USA is going to "resemble" Trump. Like said marrkur, the heat would have increased too much under Clinton.
The thing is, middle/poor classes' americans are victims just as much as those who suffer from USA throughout the world.
Philosophy taught people that from two evils always choose the least.
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posted November 09, 2016 05:58 PM |
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AlHazin said:
A man alone doesn't rule an entire country. Even dictators don't dictate on their own. He's always surrounded by a system composed of institutions and particular people. So one shouldn't imagine that USA is going to "resemble" Trump.
Well said. There will be plenty of knowledgeable people around him to guide and advice him. After all, it would be impossible for Trump to have the answer to every single question.
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posted November 09, 2016 06:02 PM |
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verriker said:
markkur said:
The U.S. is in very bad shape (in about everyway imaginable) and I hope the entire Government will weed out the Greed-Mongers and get back to serving this nation.
just passed the army and the nuclear codes over to the biggest greed-monger in the land mate, I would not be surprised to see a rude awakening on that one lol
There should have already been an awakening by what has and is happening in Syria & Lybia.
If you have not seen "The Fog of War", (a long interview of Robert McNamara) you might want to listen to a former U.S. Secretary of State about the Cuban-Missile-Crisis as well as how close we came on other occasions to nuclear war. "It was luck that kept us out of nuclear war."
Instead of the Cold-War being dead and forgotten, as it should have been, "our" past governments and this present one, have fueled it's resurgence. I think the problem this nation faces, is the very same in many nations...Weapons and War is Big Business Baby!
President Eisenhower, an important General during WWII, warned Americans that the Military-Industrial Complex was already too powerful and out of hand when he left office in Jan. 1960.
People keep saying Trump is the war-monger when he has not even held office and all the while these same folks ignore the real war-mongering that's happened and is happening right in front of their eyes. 
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