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PandaTar
PandaTar


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posted November 20, 2016 09:27 PM
Edited by PandaTar at 21:28, 20 Nov 2016.

Thanks for the appreciation. Units descriptions may take a while as I slowly model them among themselves, specially to avoid redundancy, as it already was happening with factions, also while trying to make them work with the new mechanics applied. Not to mention spells and skills, adventure objects, townscreens, heroes, artifacts etc. I'll try to illustrate as much as I can, digging for images these last days. So many fascinating artwork around the web! You start looking for something, then you snowball because it links to many other things you were looking for too.

@Galaad
I'm also attached to that word. Let's just stay it'll be around for reassessment. ^^
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Ereinion156
Ereinion156


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posted November 20, 2016 09:34 PM

I've got to admit I'm a bit sad to hear that you cut out some of these factions. Ok, I had totally no idea what awaited me at peak (apart from a phoenix), but I was rather intrigued by limbo, although it may make sense to connect it to asylum, since the asylum could also feature chimera from them and "normal" life.

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Galaad
Galaad


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posted November 20, 2016 09:44 PM
Edited by Galaad at 21:50, 20 Nov 2016.

PandaTar said:
@Galaad
I'm also attached to that word. Let's just stay it'll be around for reassessment. ^^


The thing is you have something nice going on with the re-imaginings and it just worked wonders alongside Gaïa or Library, reverting it to Inferno seems like a step back.
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PandaTar
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posted November 21, 2016 03:10 AM

Ereinion156 said:
I've got to admit I'm a bit sad to hear that you cut out some of these factions. Ok, I had totally no idea what awaited me at peak (apart from a phoenix), but I was rather intrigued by limbo, although it may make sense to connect it to asylum, since the asylum could also feature chimera from them and "normal" life.


Don't be sad. It was for the better design of the remaining factions. They are also a lot of factions, if you count, and I'm pruning a bit to give them a bit more quality and uniqueness. ^^ Limbo was supposed to be a line up from a different dimension, a bit chaotic. However, it felt so alien-like, that it really was difficult bringing up a magical atmosphere about it. So I decided meddling that faction to the Asylum experimental-like one, and it's going rather ok so far. If I have to change something there, probably the lab-like feeling of it will be the first to go. But, that's for another time.

There are also Neutral-faction-tied units and completely Neutral units to be listed, and some are missing or are going to be fixed here and there. Many things are still to come. Citadel is the only one that's very solid.

@Galaad

You're right. I'll keep Gate: it's basically an important name, after all. It means the way those creatures come and go, taking the inspiration from H5, that is.
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Ereinion156
Ereinion156


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posted November 21, 2016 10:44 AM

Interesting hero-races. I mean AI, for example. Where does that one come from. Maybe it originates from a long forgotten Civilization? I'm intrigued. But, I imagine having a demy-deity as hero can only be unfair.
But, could you do one thing. Please give that last Citadel-hero another name. You have to know that "Ziege" actually means goat in German. So, yeah, that would just be extremely stupid sounding to anyone speaking even a bit German. Just call him Siegfried, or something and he would be totally fine.
And maybe give the hive-heroes names with a bit less "P"s or "A"s? I really can't imagine an insectoid live-form pronouncing some of these names.

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Mediczero
Mediczero


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posted November 21, 2016 11:20 AM

Small note: Merfolk sounds less awkward than Merpeople.

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PandaTar
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posted November 21, 2016 12:04 PM

Forge is supposed to have some A.I., and that reflects upon some heroes being A.I. at some point. Also, Constructs (magical golems, that is) can also be heroes. Demi-deities have very strong points against very weak points. Demi-deities are usually not good at adaptation and most of time have antagonistic elements. And remember that heroes have 3 roles which does mean that some (actually, very few are demi-deities) are not commanding-oriented.

Changed the suggestions.
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Minastir
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posted November 21, 2016 06:17 PM

PandaTar said:
I'll try to illustrate as much as I can, digging for images these last days. So many fascinating artwork around the web! You start looking for something, then you snowball because it links to many other things you were looking for too.


As somebody who have searched for tons of pics I can relate to that, the struggle is real and when you think that you have decided finally on something, you accidentally find something else you like even more ...

for now I'm awaiting for one chunk of this project to be finished so I could comment, the 10 tier system is interesting and I can understand it how certain factions have access to stronger creatures and other don't, like Citadel which is not about tremendously strong creatures but more about the amount of creatures, some creatures have one upgrades, some have two some don't have any, so just like in HII which is ok but here, there is no specific number of creatures per faction (basic creatures, like in HII - 6creatures per faction) so why would one have more and the other less ?

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PandaTar
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posted November 21, 2016 06:55 PM

Because some places have more monsters than others, like any other environment. The richness of fertile valleys may produce more different sort of beings, while bleak lands may be a bit more vast and fewer in numbers, in a more exotic setting.

Anyway, all in all, the difference in number of different units is not so great. There are also neutral units, which don't fit into town hiring system, then it would be available hiring through dwelling or caravan system.

I'm just finishing adding and finding the missing heroes to get 20 for each faction. Also found some consumable items, some artifacts, relics, Adventure map objects, spells, adventure spells. AH, and the Elite (tier 9) version of units. All units have their tier 9 version, which is the Elite mob boss version, for late game purposes, akin to Diablo mob bosses.
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PandaTar
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posted November 22, 2016 06:13 PM

What do you guys prefer:

1. Images on the thread making it a bit too lengthy to have to scroll down?

2. Links to pdf files with images and info free to zoom in and out, point suggestions etc, and leave the thread with only the critical info?
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AlHazin
AlHazin


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Niyni Novgorod and all that
posted November 22, 2016 06:33 PM

I vote for the second option, PandaT, but only because my connection isn't too great.
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Ereinion156
Ereinion156


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posted November 22, 2016 07:03 PM

I would say 1., because it cuts that whole lot of text into pieces and makes it easier to read. Also, I don't like having to click on a link and open a new window every time I want to see a picture. Especially, if we are talking about line-ups here, where there would be a lot of pictures.

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PandaTar
PandaTar


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posted November 22, 2016 07:15 PM
Edited by PandaTar at 08:04, 25 Nov 2016.

I think I'll end up making a hybrid disposition. Showing the images and critical info on the thread, but the explanation and the such (which require space) by using the pdf file, something like this:

Thread shows:


Then a link that shows a pdf file like this.

Does that sound reasonable?

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A little update with Necropolis heroes portraits. You may find it on the main posts. They're configured as thumbnails, and you can see them like this by clicking on them.

Also added portraits for Citadel heroes. Still missing the detailed version for 2 of them, whose names are still listed.

And Asylum is also up.

Dungeon kicks in.

And last for today, Oasis.

Check for updates of these portraits in the first page, section Heroes.
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Stevie
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posted November 24, 2016 01:26 AM

Some interesting and great pictures, surprised at the amount of cohesion they present. Though ultimately a bit too much to call a good fit with the Heroes spirit, at least for me. But I guess this is your vision, I'll not intrude.
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ANcientDRuids
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posted November 24, 2016 11:42 PM
Edited by ANcientDRuids at 23:45, 24 Nov 2016.

This is probably the worst imaginable way to make a "Heroes game proposal". So, congratulations, I guess?

Sadly, there's nothing else to commend, other than commitment and sheer volume of... things. But that's also a very strong flaw.

You can deflect criticisms all you want, but all of this is simply unnecessary, unremarkable and bloated. And it deserves every comment that expresses so. There's just nothing here that could be useful to anybody who'd want to make a new Heroes game. It could be a base for an RPG system though.

Lastly, why's Crag Hack a Gnoll? Just why?

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PandaTar
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posted November 24, 2016 11:51 PM
Edited by PandaTar at 08:05, 25 Nov 2016.

ANcientDRuids said:
This is probably the worst imaginable way to make a "Heroes game proposal"...


Thanks for your input either way. Somewhere in the comments before this one I stated that this was the most waste-of-my-time thing that I'll be possibly doing, but that's my time. Feel free to do anything you want with yours. It's just one of those things we want to get done and vent from our heads. If you grasp that, then move on.

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Lastly, why's Crag Hack a Gnoll? Just why?

Because I wanted.

But see the image below. Crag Hack, sadly, hasn't done any heroic deeds to make it to the tavern tables... HOWEVER! He's the tavern owner! Much better, I guess, holding the power of all gossip and selling drinks and food for any hero. The real name for that Gnoll is ...



This is Crag Hack today. Father of 19, a very heavy wife, but happy, nonetheless.


And Gaia heroes are visiting Crag Hack's tavern.

And Library ones went to fetch their scotch.

Forge needs fuel.

Clans joining in the fanfarre.

And demons from the Gate, which might prefer raw meat.

And the merfolk also wants a bit of tequila.

Corresponding images are available in the updated first page, Heroes section.

kiryu133 said:

that there glossary is a pretty great idea! Already feeling I'll enjoy reading these when they are finished and I'll have time.


The glossary I'm thinking on making a pdf format, just like some other text-long stuff to avoid escalating into infinity of texts on threads. Citadel line-up will be first to have the specifics added, along with some battle information and, abilities. It might be needed explaining one of the 2 heroes chosen in Citadel too, with skill set example, so that it chains the mechanics throughout it all (also updating the glossary as I go).
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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted November 28, 2016 03:25 PM
Edited by Rakshasa92 at 15:35, 28 Nov 2016.

ANcientDRuids said:
This is probably the worst imaginable way to make a "Heroes game proposal". So, congratulations, I guess?

Sadly, there's nothing else to commend, other than commitment and sheer volume of... things. But that's also a very strong flaw.

You can deflect criticisms all you want, but all of this is simply unnecessary, unremarkable and bloated. And it deserves every comment that expresses so. There's just nothing here that could be useful to anybody who'd want to make a new Heroes game. It could be a base for an RPG system though.

Lastly, why's Crag Hack a Gnoll? Just why?


Why dear Americans. WHY is this a waste of time?

Yes working your entire life and then dying isn't a waste of time? YOu get money buy stuff I know, but still you die in the end so everything is for nothing , and don't give me the believe-in-god-crap.

Watching soccer (like 99 % of men do) is not wasting time?

Playing sports isn't wasting time?

EVERYTHING is wasting time, so why can't nerds have their own hobbies and why only nerd hobbies are waste of time?

Don't give me that snow, life is a long run of wasting time until you die. Watching soccer is even a greater waste of time because NOBODY earns anything by doing that spare for the guys in short pants that run on the field and earn millions by doing that, at least people that make HOMM proposals work on their creativity and language use.

snow i'm angry on the world (also a waste of time) for calling most of my hobbies a waste of time while they all watch freaking sports all day long or only work their ass off for a little money which they WASTE on stuff they can WASTE their time with.

About the project, I don't care a single thing about anything else than creatures, and the creatures are far from done yet, so i'll be back later to comment on the town. For now I was here only to slay that druid that watches soccer/football all day/night long and which calls other peoples hobbies a waste of time.

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PandaTar
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posted November 28, 2016 03:36 PM

@rakshasa
Thanks for the defense.

Right now, designing this stuff is a therapy, and a soft of important one. Suffice to say that it's a self-conducting-experiment.

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Citadel units might be up till Friday, with descriptions and everything. Also checking which neutral units are affiliated to Citadel too, that might get in the rehearsal.

If you feel like it, you may suggest exotic units for factions given so I could check if they fit and how they fit. Perhaps change something that's not really well fixed.
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Rakshasa92
Rakshasa92


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posted November 28, 2016 03:41 PM

PandaTar said:
@rakshasa
Thanks for the defense.

Right now, designing this stuff is a therapy, and a soft of important one. Suffice to say that it's a self-conducting-experiment.

***

Citadel units might be up till Friday, with descriptions and everything. Also checking which neutral units are affiliated to Citadel too, that might get in the rehearsal.

If you feel like it, you may suggest exotic units for factions given so I could check if they fit and how they fit. Perhaps change something that's not really well fixed.


You should say that and you shouldn't say it is therapy for defending your hobbies.

You enjoy doing this, I can see that on the length and detail you put into this so don't call your precious hobby a waste of time while millions of people (that probably hate our hobbies and can't understand what we are doing anyway because their brains function only on sports and chicks) watch sport all day long.

Really, everything is a waste of time if you look at it, there isn't a single hobby that isn't wasting time, why is doing sport or working less waste of time than create a proposal other people get to enjoy reading? Because you aren't adding anything to the world? Well, people that work (in most cases) don't enjoy their work and only are in it for money, so they are actually also wasting their time and mine, because mostly those people ruin my day by being very a-social to me when I need their servises.

I really hate people that call the so called "nerd" hobbies like creating proposals and writhing your own movie-scripts waste of time and then go watch the most stupid thing this earth has ever invented (sport for the brainless) on tv.

So cheer up, and enjoy what you are doing, don't be ashamed that you like it and ignore the people that think you are wasting your time, because in fact they are wasting ours.

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Rakshasa92
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posted November 28, 2016 03:47 PM

I will see if I can give you suggestions for monsters to add to finished towns. Right now when I look through the names I already see many of my proposed monsters from other topics (such as Alicanto) so you probably don't need many.

Keep it up.

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