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Thread: Can we now say H7 is the worst heroes ever? This thread is 14 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 · «PREV / NEXT»
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posted December 30, 2016 03:30 AM
Edited by Stevie at 03:46, 30 Dec 2016.

Galaad said:
Stevie said:
So according to you Erwan deliberately sabotaged Ubisoft and the Heroes community because.. he is pure evil? *tin foil hat*


It is obviously out of career and financial interest that he did what he did, it just didn't work out as planned, since not so many (to say the least) appreciate his work on the brand, but nice strawman.


So it is out of career and financial interest that he didn't obey orders and tried to fool both the company and the fans? I mean, the fans were being fooled since long time ago, but him fooling and disobeying his employer? Not only that is far-fetched and brukernavn's take which you quoted is way more reasonable, but why would anyone believe that? The only thing you'd achieve is put Erwan in the light of a madman gone rogue biting the hand that feeds him. Why go that far when he already has so much dirt on his plate to deal with. Overwhelming bias?

That was the point I was trying to make, with a rhetorical question mind you, not a straw man. Learn the difference.
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posted December 30, 2016 05:14 AM

Eh not if he simply believed he was doing things better this way.
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posted December 30, 2016 11:07 AM

You learn the difference, I don't mind you disagreeing with me, I mind you misunderstanding on purpose and taking poor jabs at people.
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posted January 01, 2017 10:07 PM

It's nice to see that some things stay always the same.
Hi there people, did you miss me?

Oh Heroes VII, oh Ubisoft.
I have to say that it was a strong experience to see the story of these games, yes games because this story is not only about Heroes VII, no, that is only the latest, maybe final, chapter.

The questione asked, "Can we say it is the worst" , is not easy to answer. As a player, and a long time fan, I can't say i feel it that way. I still hate H-IV and VI more. But still, VII is the one i spent the least time with.
The community during the development, the bugs after launch, the fact that I finaly had a capable machine and could explore other games this year. I don't think heroes VII is the worst.. but I do belive it is the the most unsuccesfull.

But why? Why oh why?
First of all, I blame H VI, and the prejudice it created. I blame Ubisoft for their lack of funding, and bad marketing. But I also blame the developers and fans on equel level for the simple fact, that we let things like esthetics and nostalgia blind us all, and over look one core problem in my opinion. Heroes is an outdated concept not suitable for a AAA game anymore and needs a drastic rework of mechanics.

Heroes is a simple concept at core, but such concepts can work if done right. maybe, just maybe we should put heroes and the RPG branch get some rest, because i think one thing we just might agree on is, that Ubi made a few good games under the brand (Dark Messiah, Clash of heroes, DoC). but these were all their own thing. Maybe if they tried to make something good, and not something people could like.. we just might get another good game in the brande,
Dave Jame out.

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posted January 01, 2017 10:15 PM

They tried to make something good, in their own vision. That was H6.
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posted January 01, 2017 10:19 PM

Elvin said:
They tried to make something good, in their own vision. That was H6.

My idea was "Something good, but not a TBS" :-). Don't get tied down by a concept.
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posted January 01, 2017 11:14 PM

That was ubi taking advantage of an existing franchise to sell more than they might have with a new project. Not the fans' fault for not being as accepting.

I certainly approve of the spin offs though. They were by no stretch masterpieces but they were certainly enjoyable.
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posted January 01, 2017 11:31 PM

Dave_Jame said:
It's nice to see that some things stay always the same.
Hi there people, did you miss me?


you bet your bottom dollar I did mate because I'm still waiting for you to get back to me on that time capsule lol,
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posted January 01, 2017 11:58 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Heroes is an outdated concept not suitable for a AAA game anymore and needs a drastic rework of mechanics.


It is precisely the "rework of mechanics" that mutilated this franchise, if h7 had been h5.5 with top notch graphics everybody would be playing the hell out of it.

Corribus said:
The ironic thing is that the formula for a successful HoMM game is so simple. It's a game furthermore that is perfectly suited for 2D format. It should be easy to put out a great game on a modest budget. Ubisoft just seems unwilling or incapable of doing it.


Quoted for truth.
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posted January 02, 2017 09:20 AM

Galaad said:
Dave_Jame said:
Heroes is an outdated concept not suitable for a AAA game anymore and needs a drastic rework of mechanics.


It is precisely the "rework of mechanics" that mutilated this franchise, if h7 had been h5.5 with top notch graphics everybody would be playing the hell out of it.

But H5.5 did just that, it reworked the mechanics in a great way! It took the base, improved and expanded on it. H7 took the base and did a rather half-@ssed job on it.
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posted January 02, 2017 12:51 PM
Edited by lanteean at 12:53, 02 Jan 2017.

one of the things that was a letdown was the reuse of the same ability: mages, fire elementals and succubus (if i remember correctly) all have the same nova ability, and that's about it

the skillwheel was a mess, and it took a long time to fix

bugs were far too numerous and game-breaking

AI was horrendous

didnt play trial by fire, didnt find a reason to spend those money on  this game, and since it had Denuvo, is not available with a a crack

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posted January 02, 2017 01:28 PM
Edited by Zeki at 13:32, 02 Jan 2017.

I don't know if h7 is the worst heroes (because i hate the concept of streamlining behind h6) but it is the only heroes i never have and never will buy. I mean just look at Antalyan's bug list. That looks like a game in it's beta phase (or recently released, we are talking about ubisoft here xD) and not in it's 2.1 final build. That should say it all.
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it had Denuvo, is not available with a a crack

Duuude, they spend money kn this for trial of fire?! ?! Had they only spend that money to hire atleast one seasoned programmer to teach those kiddos how you get a job done..
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posted January 02, 2017 05:30 PM

Yeah ... sometimes I wonder if the game was made in a kitchen. Catching fire.
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posted January 03, 2017 10:30 AM

Ba dum tss!

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posted January 03, 2017 12:24 PM

I'd rather like to draw your attention to this. Happy new year, HoMM, once again!

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x-ecutionner
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posted January 09, 2017 02:11 AM

No offense...

... but as long as I've been there, this "Antalyan" dude has been arguing for the sake of arguing, saying H7 was the best heroes (while it's obviously the worst) and admitting he never cared about the HoM&M prior to 5 (I-IV).

I have nothing against younger people, but if they could just take a sit once in a while...
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posted January 09, 2017 09:24 AM
Edited by Avonu at 09:29, 09 Jan 2017.

x-ecutionner said:
... but as long as I've been there, this "Antalyan" dude has been arguing for the sake of arguing, saying H7 was the best heroes (while it's obviously the worst)

Heroes 7 can't be the worst in series for a simply reason - that Heroes 6 exists.
Whatever faults Heroes 7 has, it is still improvement (even if slighty) over Heroes 6.
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posted January 09, 2017 05:22 PM

x-ecutionner said:
... but as long as I've been there, this "Antalyan" dude has been arguing for the sake of arguing, saying H7 was the best heroes (while it's obviously the worst) and admitting he never cared about the HoM&M prior to 5 (I-IV).

I have nothing against younger people, but if they could just take a sit once in a while...

Hey X-ecutionner. I do hardly ever get offended

But realise please I've never seen H7 (or any other game) objectively the best or even made anyone like it. H7 fulfills my expectations as regards its concept, mechanics, graphics... in some way it's a game almost exactly according my taste (sure I would really like not to have the bugs in or better AI but that's another thing). The game simply "suits" me, that's why it's the best one for me (=according to me).

Your taste might be absolutely different but honestly, I don't care about it (or maybe better to say I don't mind it all) as you can share you opinion as well as I can. And especially when reading many comments about how bad H7 is, I want to mention the things I like there even more, because I would like another game similar to H7 to made, sure this time without all the annoying things.

By the way, it's not completely true that I've never cared about games before H5. I used to have very good times while playing H2 many years ago - but again, as I've mentioned before, its graphics does not appeal to me any longer today.
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posted January 09, 2017 07:30 PM
Edited by Mediczero at 19:31, 09 Jan 2017.

I recently got my hands on Heroes II, and so far it is the best heroes I've played. Maybe second to only Heroes V. While the gameplay is a little lacking compared to the others, it has an atmosphere like no other heroes game. A feel of fairy tales. This really make it shine as a great game.
Heroes V with Tribes of the east still have better gameplay.
Also, I should mention I started from Heroes V and have yet had the honor of playing I and IV.

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posted January 09, 2017 08:36 PM

Mediczero said:
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