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markkur
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posted December 11, 2016 08:14 PM

The Future of the Internet

I'm curious to see what others think about the Internet and Free-Speech from the country they reside.

Will the Internet remain truly a Free speaking platform or is it destined to be controlled in some fashion?
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posted December 11, 2016 08:26 PM

Honestly, I think the technology is developing even more to assault people's privacy. We already saw that certain countries can limit access to Internet, like Turkey. It would be for the best to share less private info, even something as simple as posting pictures on social media.

But, maybe, just maybe, we may get a new brand of internet to prevent that. Here's one article about it.

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AlHazin
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posted December 11, 2016 08:26 PM

You mean the same internet that... *censored*

On topic : which internet, the shallow or the deep? Because I doubt the second could.
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posted December 11, 2016 08:39 PM

I don't think the Internet can be considered a free-speaking platform to be honest with you mate, why even this very site has never been a free-speaking platform lol
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posted December 11, 2016 08:39 PM

It's already censored to a degree in many countries. Some sites are closed, some users are tracked down etc. Of course, they wont bother with every Joe or Jane that writes something undesirable on Twitter but they don't bother with everybody trash-talking in a pub with their friends either.
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posted December 11, 2016 08:47 PM

It depends on political choices and integrity. Longer the politicians take decisions against what a majority of people think or believe, more they will have to create censorship laws. Censoring a subject also makes it grow and become bigger, so is a false medication. No speech should be censored, no matter what's about.

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posted December 11, 2016 09:21 PM

In Romania some dude got a fine for insulting a mayor on facebook. If I remember correctly it was quite a hefty fine. Still on facebook, a Romanian student, and indeed a brilliant one, he won an international NASA contest, criticized the educational system and was promptly threatened to take down that post or else face repercussions. So I don't know how free the internet is anymore, now that everyone is a pussy and can't handle criticism.
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posted December 11, 2016 09:36 PM

Free speech on Lithuanian internet is the same as in LW's example.

We had had a lot of trials for "promoting violence" and stuff on the various Lithuanian news sites.

Also on facebook we have several groups that made it their profession to persecute people that think differently from the current norm. And by persecuting them I mean writing letters to their place of employment, as well as harrasing the person on facebook or trying to get them banned from it.


While some examples of this can be justified (For example persecuting those that deny nazi and soviet crimes against Lithuanian people, minorities included), others are complete and utter bogus, which had started about 2 years ago with the whole maidan crap.
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posted December 11, 2016 10:04 PM

In the future, there will hopefully be more controls on it. For example, if you incite a guy seeking help on a forum to commit suicide you can potentially be convicted for it.

I think it's inevitable that the Internet will become somewhat less chaotic than it has been.
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posted December 11, 2016 10:36 PM

The problem with your example is that, in order to track one situation which will occur once every 6 months or less, you need to put under survey the whole system. Therefore collect data on everyone, possibly sell it and create all the chaos which will inevitably occur when people opinions and preferences are commercially exploited.

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posted December 11, 2016 11:00 PM

Blizzardboy said:
In the future, there will hopefully be more controls on it. For example, if you incite a guy seeking help on a forum to commit suicide you can potentially be convicted for it.


I already told you I was sorry for what I did to you. You don't have to bring it up all the time.

On a more serious note, memory is an odd thing, I was shocked when I found out how young (or now I guess it is old) wikipedia and youtube was.
I questioned why I didn't use these great resources when I was a small child, but they didn't exist back then, and while it feels to me like the internet in the state it exist now is how it has always been, how the future will look like is typically very difficult to predict.

I am sure the internet would still be recognizable, but perhaps guys with feet fetishes and what not will be shunned away and will have to sit in parks and at beaches with tents over their pants.

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posted December 11, 2016 11:37 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 00:13, 12 Dec 2016.

Salamandre said:
The problem with your example is that, in order to track one situation which will occur once every 6 months or less, you need to put under survey the whole system. Therefore collect data on everyone, possibly sell it and create all the chaos which will inevitably occur when people opinions and preferences are commercially exploited.


Or it just happens if somebody presses charges. We don't track down every person being a dick to another person, but if there is a pattern of hostile behavior, the individual can seek, for example, a restraining order. It would be the initiative of citizens to make an appeal if they feel something is serious enough to warrant legal action. You don't need an army of government moderators trying to do that for you.

Most communication is already logged on the Internet, so in a case, you can just retroactively go back and assemble the data for the district attorney.

You're not going to have lawsuits over every person being a meanie to another person,  but there are far more extreme examples where this could (and should) be the case. The Internet shouldnt be an alegal playground where you can incite violence or give intentionally faulty medical advice without a license, etc. And of course, these protections would deal primarily with web administrators, not some insignificant worm with a high school diploma on Facebook who thinks he has the world completely figured out and is a walking font of wisdom every time he reposts a one-liner gif that his friend posted. We're looking mostly at people that are formerly broadcasting or disseminating information, especially if they're selling something.
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posted December 11, 2016 11:50 PM

The internet will always remain a space to express oneself freely however it will always be monitored.
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posted December 12, 2016 12:10 AM

Blizzardboy said:
The Internet shouldnt be an alegal playground where you can incite violence


And who decides what is violence inciting? This a sensitive issue, we can see for example one being prosecuted because he called Muslims or Mexicans criminals, and on the other side stupid ducks can gargle everywhere Trump's supporters are Nazis (mass criminals) and get away with a medal, is that less violence inciting?

Imo only facts and actions should be prosecuted because they are undisputed -you harm someone, you did bad. If you penalize opinions, you will always have to join one side, and this side will change accordingly to the current political fashion, one day you are ok, the next you are a criminal.

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posted December 12, 2016 12:21 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 00:30, 12 Dec 2016.

Salamandre said:
Blizzardboy said:
The Internet shouldnt be an alegal playground where you can incite violence


And who decides what is violence inciting? This a sensitive issue, we can see for example one being prosecuted because he called Muslims or Mexicans criminals, and on the other side stupid ducks can gargle everywhere Trump's supporters are Nazis (mass criminals) and get away with a medal, is that less violence inciting?

Imo only facts and actions should be prosecuted because they are undisputed -you harm someone, you did bad. If you penalize opinions, you will always have to join one side, and this side will change accordingly to the current political fashion, one day you are ok, the next you are a criminal.


These cases would (except in extreme circumstances) be decided by local courts. So if a person wants to invest the time and effort into accusing somebody, it is their right to do so. This alone will filter out 99% of cases because most of us don't want to be bothered with it unless it is actually pretty serious. People have lives and things to do.

And even if there is a suspicious ruling that strays into suppression of free speech, I'm pretty sure any half-decent judicial system in the world has an appeal system that can be followed. So, if you think a ruling was bull****, you have the option to fight back. But to say that only "actions" should be prosecuted is absurd. If a jealous ex-boyfriend is making continuous threats on a woman or man, there needs to be some sort of legal recourse to address the issue because that can cause enormous stress and anxiety. An imperfect legal system is far better than  an impotent one. There will never be such a thing as an infallible court.
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markmasters
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posted December 12, 2016 08:26 AM

I expected to see more cat pictures here to be honest

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posted December 12, 2016 09:47 AM

"Internet" or rather specific types of activities are being supervised, censored and worse even at the moment and not only in China and the usual "tough guy" countries.

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posted December 12, 2016 05:48 PM

True Zeno and because it is I of course do not know but think worse is on the way.

BB said something I want to highlight and it ties in the what I have now said a few times here at HC...Propaganda.

NO, he did not use the term; What I am referring to in BB's post is the valid proposal "a real need". People should not get away with spreading false information or "actual hate words" now should they?

The thing is, as much as some of you may not like my occasional use of proverbs or old sayings "one bad-apple spoils the whole bunch" has and is always a future-excuse to barrel the masses...eventually; depending on that PERCEIVED NEED.

When the machinery of Governments is using IT for espionage and about the same time everyday folks went outside the corrupt Global Medias, <imo> that has set in motion the struggle for the "complete" Control that I fear. As many have pointed out, much is already been lost and censorship escalating.

I do not know if this is true but a few days ago I heard that my  Senate has passed a bill creating another Commission to "Monitor" and this time info coming in from outside this nation. Let's see, we had the FBI, CIA, NSA, SS, and endless other existing hidden agencies and then we had to pay for and create the DoHS. Now another million dollar agency is needed? Heaven forbid anyone already employed already, actually do there gift-job!!! If that is indeed true...(speaking of Cats MM, both my wife's understand this unfolding)I need to say no more beyond this factual history:

I was not alive when FDR mastered "Radio" and led this nation for nearly 4 terms of office, (he died while in the last)but this proved a master stroke in the world of Politics. Grampa talking to you in the privacy of "Fireside chats"? Sweet old Grampa. Recognizing the power of a new Tech is a wee bit important isn't it?

Decades later another TECH and a far more powerful one than Radio & TV has matured and became center stage across the Earth. Trump won the "supposed" top-job in a race where nearly all major Media in the West and both halves of the Washington-Machine held all the strings, as well as gained ALL the moolah from Multi-National Corporations.

How did this happen? The masses struggling to find real news (truth) outside the normal spoon-feeding channels. (which I will assume was an effort of hit & miss)Since this unwanted-winner unexpectedly and undesirably won, the heat was not shut-off when "The Deplorable" rabble won out. (Trump did win after all and that fact should have been the end of that long circus) However, the whole mis-direction mechanism has since escalated...into what? Fueled riots, a recount-money-grubbing action from a loser and after those (just) happened, now the Media & GOV. spotlight is back on those evil Rooskies and how they threw the election. How many believe that banter? IDK

I know nothing about what happens elsewhere...that why I asked. But here? We've been duped for a while now and it seems it will or already is getting worse. i.e. Government official; "You see, we MUST control the quality of all information."

Bottom line, I know I could easily be wrong in my observations and conclusions and so I assume nothing. However, that sad reality surrounding today's information, lies at the very heart of the issue...does it not? When free-speech is censored by corrupted purpose, then TRUTH no longer reigns and in the end, the masses do not know anything for CERTAIN.(that is known as Trust) What usually happens then with most folks? "Oh, the hell with it!" As I said before; "Time to go buy something or eat something and forget everything."

And thus the desired end is achieved. I say; let all voices be heard, the whatever good, undesirable bad and aloof indifferent. Surely common-sense and education would triumph and True-Progress actually advance?

From the cheap-seats...outside lookin' in.
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posted December 12, 2016 10:24 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 22:28, 12 Dec 2016.

The relative freedom of the Internet has been a great boon, and it's sad to see the government clamping down on it. It's the usual story - people don't know why they have it so good, so arguments like "terrorism", "protecting the children", and so on convince them easily. Hopefully there'll be some alternate system that'd be more difficult to control, but I don't know enough to know whether I should be optimistic.
Blizzardboy said:
In the future, there will hopefully be more controls on it. For example, if you incite a guy seeking help on a forum to commit suicide you can potentially be convicted for it.
What about personal responsibility? He's the one who chooses to commit suicide, it's not like you're killing him.
We've already seen some of the consequences of Internet censorship in Europe. It doesn't look good.
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posted December 12, 2016 10:44 PM

mvassilev said:

We've already seen some of the consequences of Internet censorship in Europe.


Do you mean in regards to Turkey or is it something I have missed?

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