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jb239
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posted April 15, 2002 03:22 PM |
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Why People Should Give Heroes 4 a Chance
With so many peoples hating Heroes 4, I felt I should write out why people should give it a chance.
Heroes 3 when released was very buggy and after the first month or so everyone who I played it online with complained about gameplay issues, bugs etc. but first few patches came, and heroes 3 grew to became the game we all love. Id just like to say, if you dont think the patches made a difference, lets all play v 1.0 and see who doesnt want to slam the game.
Heroes 4 has many more problems than heroes 3 initially, but before totally slamming the game, wait and see how 3do handles the first patch. To all who point out flaws, will 3do listen and fix these things? Many say 3do doesnt listen to its fans, well after the patch comes we will see if it gave up on heroes 4 or not. Aside from bugs, 3do has the ability to fix gameplay issues... remember rehiring of heroes and gremlin rush? The way heroes was played was changed by these fixes, so if it happens once, it can happen again. Just so people dont get confused, when I refer to gameplay issues, I dont mean things like chaining of troops that you miss. I mean balance and multiplayer playability
Well, everyone feel free to comment on giving heroes 4 a chance. I coulda made my initial post much larger, but will add the stuff as people comment.
Btw, remember everyone who has Heroes 4 is a Beta Tester 
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hamsi128
Promising
Supreme Hero
tosser tavern owner
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posted April 15, 2002 04:52 PM |
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dear jb,
i think all toh funs must give a chance on heroes 4 and we must criticise after the patch... and there is another think i remarked... im a 1 season player on toh and i looked to toh history rankings... i saw that the founder and the father of toh , vesuvius , play less games in last seasons. in my opinion he has high hopes and plans for toh with heroes4 ... he waited long time for this game ... i feel i have to give a chance to heroes4 for this reason... we couldnt give up now for respect to vesuvius and other volonteers ... i think when we played games this season and everthing was alright noone said something... now there is a problem on game and people starts (one of them is me in beginning) to complain about this game before thinking ves... personnaly i play on toh and i give nothing to toh.... im not supporter , not volunteer ... i play only , i satisfy myself to see my rank on toh , i find great players and friends.... but i think i dont have to complain about this game... there are other people who gave many things to toh and they should criticise first then me... there are many people in my situation ... finally i call everyone to wait the patch and to play on multiplayer the game first...
best regards,
 hamsi128
p.s. sorry for my poor english
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CraigHack
Known Hero
Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted April 15, 2002 06:18 PM |
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Many of the guys are plssed because they realize that 3DO has taken advantage of us by releasing the game before its ready, mostly so they can maximize profit by firing the NWC team. I HATE 3DO FOR THIS!! They might make this better by releasing a quality multiplayer patch quickly. If they wait 3 months or more the damage is done and I will never buy from 3DO again.
Having said that....
If a quality patch is released very soon, in weeks not months, I will play the game.
I MISS the personalized heroes, Deemer, Dessa, Crag Hack and all, these new generic heroes will never grow on me for any reason, but, it does solve the problem of players only playing one or two heroes that they like and NEVER playing poor old Piquedram. (Piquedram ruels)!!! 
I will MISS chaining and creature upgrades and I dont like the graphics much at all now. But I can live with it.
Heroes 4 solves many of the problems in finding a game on the Zone, If players decide to play with "rules" like they did in Heroes 3, there will be d@mn few rules and all those guys who played only one map, one town, one hero will now be restricted to playing one map and one style of advancement. If the guy wanted Necro/Isra on an X-Large map in Heroes 3, you had to bring a lunch if you wanted to beat him.
Sure, they can play Necro now but so can you with equal chances.
I am not happy with 3DO.... but gimme the patch and I will play!
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted April 15, 2002 06:46 PM |
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Thats basically what im sayin Craig Hack, give 3do a chance to redeem the game with the patch.
if patch comes out lousy then its evident what will happen with the game, and then itll be time to free up HD space.
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zedrin
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Ping pong goes the gong
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posted April 15, 2002 07:31 PM |
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I actually do like heroes 4... multiplayer only so far, and unfortunately only hotseat.
If they release a multiplayer patch soon i believe the game will be far better received, at least here.
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Frank
Promising
Known Hero
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posted April 15, 2002 07:37 PM |
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H4 was due for christmass 2001. With a full programmer team they managed to delay the game in 4 occasions that I know of. Now with a largely reduced team and such a great task as to bring H4 to be decent... How long a wait will it be?
- Frank
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HALT
Known Hero
Knight of Justice
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posted April 15, 2002 10:11 PM |
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When h3 first came out it was crap and that is true. (Somebody mentioned it above and I agree). 3DO made a couple patches and look at it now - that is a great game.
H4 came out just half month ago; of course it will have lot of bugs. Any game would. As the meter of fact in case people didn’t notice there is no big bugs, no major glitches. So let’s just wait for the patch and than we’ll se.
P.S. h4 will be perfect game.
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salpinx
Hired Hero
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posted April 16, 2002 04:58 AM |
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all i can say jb is that you had better come up with some creative maps to overcome the tedium that is h4.... how to keep a game respectively short and tactically challenging in multiplayer is the problem and i don't see the solution yet.
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted April 16, 2002 06:42 AM |
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Quote:
Many of the guys are plssed because they realize that 3DO has taken advantage of us by releasing the game before its ready, mostly so they can maximize profit by firing the NWC team. I HATE 3DO FOR THIS!! They might make this better by releasing a quality multiplayer patch quickly. If they wait 3 months or more the damage is done and I will never buy from 3DO again.
Because of this I will boycott all non-NWO 3do products!! (besides, they suck @ss anyway). 
add my name to the list.
- William R. Markham
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted April 16, 2002 08:45 AM |
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well I got lots of maps in plan..if its worth it to make em all. im finding open style maps are prolly gonna be more popular, due to the fact player interaction will keep the games more interesting since they are longer than most h3 ones. so Ill make some fast action maps..but since i got so much time, Ill experiment with all different kinds of styles.
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted April 16, 2002 10:32 AM |
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Quote:
I will MISS chaining quote]
LOL that was the part of the game I hated the most!
Chaining sucked.
When I started at TOH I was not a "chainer" but found out the hard way that it was essential.
As yet in Perth Australia we don't even have the game yet so I'll leave it at that, for now.
Good riddance to chaining I say!
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Cheesus
Known Hero
The Untouchable
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posted April 16, 2002 11:13 AM |
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I must admit i haven't read the whole thread... but i think it's ok 3DO is releasing the game before they release the multiplayer patch.
Since there is no multiplayer patch we can't play online yet but we can get a lot of homm4 experience before the mp patch is released. I don't know why people think homm4 sucks but i think it's pretty good.
But that's not why i am writing this message, the point is SOME of us kind of asked 3DO to delay the game if we could get a cheat-free multiplayer. They delayed the game hundreds of times but they didn't include multiplayer yet. Maybe they started caring about the fans and are working on the kind of multiplayer features we asked for. If they are... i'll be gratefull. If not then i don't see any reason why they delayed the multiplayer patch. Then they would've done it for the cash and not for the fans. We will see when the patch comes but i have good hope.
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Jex
Known Hero
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posted April 16, 2002 12:58 PM |
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lol
Wow, Cheesus you have some high hopes.
I think we all know a cheat free multiplayer patch is not why the patch isnt out yet. They are definitely going for the cash.
Oh and single player suxs as the AI is even worse than b4. There are some humorous stories on Celestial Heavens, about testing the AI.
I liked this test. The one guy put 3000 Blacks guarding a town, and the computer would attack them before the end of the first week. lmao.
And this one was funny too. This guy essentially just sat on his castle till about month 12, while one cpu that started extra powerful took over the rest of the map. But the cpu never came for him. Eventually the human took over the map without killing any high lvl heroes or troops of the cpu's. Then he took out the cpu's starting castle. The cpu had a whooping 40 medusas, a lvl 4 hero, and one dragon golem(a couple of other worthless stacks too). Lol, so in 12 months the cpu managed to get up to lvl4!!!
Sounds like a challenging game.
Atlest, Gus Smedstad did the AI in the battle screen and that isnt too horrible....but combat seriously suxs without a grid.
I agree Craig, no chaining suxs. At first I thought getting rid of chaining might be fine. But after playing the game, it is just toooooo slow without it. Maps seem to take twice as long.
Stronghold got royally screwed. With no recanters or red orb, you are dead. Heck, even having lvl1 and lvl 2 spells would still be enough to kill a stronghold player. Perhaps if the breeding pit didnt cost more than behemothes, perhaps then you might have a slight chance.
Jex's first rule "Stronghold=restart".
The complexity of the game is best thing about the game. And prolly the only reason for giving it a chance.
Multiplayer will be fun, however my bro and I already think that some of the spells are unbalancing. Sanctury, Hypontise, Mass Cancellation, and Steal all Enchantments are overpowerring in human vs human fights. Or perhaps they are bugs that need fixing. I have 100% magic resistance, yet I lose my Guardian Angel to cancel and steal. I never resist, that a bug?
That Patch will need to be one hell of a patch. And considering they no longer have 2/3 of their staff....I will be happy to see if they put out a patch that allows online play. And it wouldnt hurt to see them fix the mermory leak either.
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Titan_888
Known Hero
Wind of Change
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posted April 16, 2002 01:04 PM |
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Grand Master Resistance only influence the hero having the skill... creatures not.
hehe i had this berserker Might hero ... after some levels the b@tch started to hit twice... even better... after 10 days i found an artifact so "no retaliation"
she could kill a level 4 creature alone in 1 hit
beside her i had my archery hero... dunno exact damage from her but she found the arrow artifact "stunned"
so while barbarian b@tch made attack without retaliation, my archery hero stunned opponent creature
then i meet my friends nature heroes and he summoned 14 water eleees each round....
my 2 b@tch'es dead
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted April 17, 2002 01:32 AM |
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I dont got no shares in them
but do see potential for a good game...esp since heroes 3 was released Ive tried tons of games, and couldnt play them more than a week. even with h4's shortcomings im still playing it and learning it, and the patch hopefully will make it a full time game.
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted April 17, 2002 10:12 PM |
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I ,personally, dont like it more than homm3, it is new, that is true, but if 3do would have released a new vers of homm3, like it was the shadow of death.. thomm4 wouldnt stand any chance against homm3..
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noogabooga
Hired Hero
Servant of Dark Magic
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posted April 17, 2002 11:24 PM |
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JB has a point
I will reserve unequivocal criticisms/praise for the game until after it is completed... and atm it is not complete until the bug patch and multiplayer patch are released
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I think it’s time to settle down and give the fear the fork
Take a long hard look around at things that pump the heart
Thank the God Almi... too long to display...
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mklthrkngl
Known Hero
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posted April 18, 2002 01:48 AM |
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can ya hear the music?
listen to the song my ole buddy jb's singin!!!
the chorus goes like this!
All jb's saying
is give homm4 a chance
all jb's saying
is give homm 4 a chance
p.s. while we at it let's give peace a chance as well
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OK!! So i cann't spell well! So shoot me!!
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maxym
Known Hero
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posted April 20, 2002 06:31 AM |
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I agree with JB, give h4 a chance.
But at the same time, when i didnt have the game i kept reading the posts and thinking, give the game a chance. But after getting it and trying it for few camps i am disappointed. It is an OK game, but i was hooked on H3 after just few turns of the 1st campaign. This game definitely didnt do that for me.
But at the same time i am sure it can be an antertainig online game. Give us a map that requires some critical strategic and tactical decisions, while bypassing some of the imbalaces and off we go.
Right now when i look on the map and me heroes and units. i have no idea what to do, when in H3 it was instinctive: I am fortress, i look for wood, i get my Wyverns and go on a tear. I am sure all of us will eventually find what works in this new game. Let's just pray for good MP maps, they can make any game work. JB study the game, it's good to see our chief mapamaker keep an open mind.
*keeping his fingers crossed and watching more NHL playoffs then playing Hoom4*
Maxym
GO LEAFS GO!!!
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Mr_Shane
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 20, 2002 02:13 PM |
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yes. not only a good multi-player patch is needed, but also good maps. I forsee HOMM4 multi-player games as being terribly long though.. what with this grandmaster stealth which prevents a hero from being detected. It can take ages to locate and catch such a hero, which might drive some to frustration since I see it being used as a tactic to prevent one from losing.
The interface of HOMM4 is different from HOMM3 so we need to left click on buildings to find out what we need. Its the skill requirements which have got me bamboozled at the moment. Up to now I still havent got the idea of the requirements for the magic grandmastery.
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