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fred79
fred79


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posted December 23, 2016 05:50 PM

kiryu133 said:
speaking of, could we not throw around "retarded" like this? It's pretty offensive and there are better words you could use instead.


like what? btw, my favorite word is the "n" word. just because people give it so much power. it really gets people's panties in a wad.

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kiryu133
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posted December 23, 2016 06:06 PM

Thank you Herry!

fred79 said:


like what? btw, my favorite word is the "n" word. just because people give it so much power. it really gets people's panties in a wad.


pretty much anything that is a synonym for "stupid" works but aside from that I think you could find that out yourself. There's nothing wrong with an expanded vocabulary!

And for the "power" of those words, it depends on how they're used. the N-word is... peculiar, to say the least.

This video does a better job of explaining it than I ever could. I merely ask that you consider what you say and what it could mean for other people.
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fred79
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posted December 23, 2016 06:32 PM
Edited by fred79 at 18:32, 23 Dec 2016.

so, you want me to censor myself for the sake of others? aside from the coc, i prefer freedom of speech(among other freedoms). that others tell me not to say something, shows me that THEY have the problem, not me.

i have a question for you, and i want you to seriously consider this:

who is anyone to TELL me what to say? or even ASK me what to say? who, on this planet, decides what i SAY?


i understand what you're asking, i do. you're asking me to curb my language for the sake of other's feelings. but, i ask you, who is ANYONE ELSE, to tell or request that i alter what comes from my own vocal cords/fingers/mind? don't you find that to be controlling? i mean, what's next? i can't THINK a certain thing? because that IS what comes next, once you CENSOR language, or ANYTHING else for that matter.

i understand what you're asking and why, but you should understand the slippery slope you're standing on; that you somehow feel others should stand on too.

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Herry
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posted December 23, 2016 06:36 PM

We are going off-topic here...
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Corribus
Corribus

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posted December 23, 2016 07:07 PM

Says Dr. Pot to Dr. Kettle.
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fred79
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posted December 23, 2016 07:11 PM

Herry said:
We are going off-topic here...


i was asked a question, and i replied. i could always carry it over to the cyber-bullying thread, since that's technically what it is.

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markkur
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posted December 23, 2016 07:14 PM

Well guys I will scribble a bit on this and you may not like my words but after witnessing separate incidents over years, to later tally them all together now, I think this;

There is available documents and documentaries from WWII where nations took over the control and education of children. All the Axis powers did this and some people today know this but what is not understood is the later intervention to a lesser degree in the nations of the West. I'll not explain all that but if you care, you can do the work and learn for yourself.

I brought that up because of the Cold-War that followed. Here, I will just stop and mention "McCarthyism in the USA". Only because "Thought police" are not new.

I am skipping tons of related-stuff, but when I went to school we had "Truant-officers." I know this because I ran from one, one day when I "ditched-class" (did not attend). If your name was not checked-off the list - that set in motion a tracking system between Parent and child and the authorities. Now, in this case, the system of control was to promote "by enforcement" the education of children and young adults. iow, Education (ofc, a good cause) enforced by the strong arm of Government.

FF, now, we are in the wonderful world of today; nearly, half a century later.

There was another Alarm in that document I posted, other than "no stated age" and the other serious issues.

I cannot remember the term but it you will reread it, you will come across some Term/position like this; "School-Police" or something akin and this arm of the State/Law is apparently an organization that I did not know existed. I've never heard of it before and I have six grandchildren.

Why this troubles me greatly should become obvious. Before "Truant-Officers" had power to get you back in school...but that was it.
Now, this police-state position embedded in our publics schools is playing an active role in paving the highway between classrooms and prison-cells? I don't give a damn what spin they give this but it is a serious violation of the public-trust and an obvious abuse of entrusted-power.

However, in truth and fairness, <barf> what can the people expect that allow some 16 Federal Agencies to be created that are for the most part doing the same damn job? Or, a Government that created a mis-named (reversed-meaning) "ACT" that targets the nation's own people?!

One more nasty-ingredient in this same salad. I've seen an excellent analysis of Common-Core and I am setting all of that "Program" aside except one very important "related and intruding" aspect. "A new world of State - School Clinics and Day-care-centers" where People with large ideas and small minds advocate that the State needs to intervene regarding the children of this nation nearly from birth. I expect not a soul here to understand the picture I recognize but it is a scary, creepy, real-image that's come into focus in recent years for me.

And the beat goes on.


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fred79
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posted December 23, 2016 07:27 PM

the school/child system was always designed to push the agendas of those in power. hence, the "pledge of allegiance" in the u.s. and how the history books of every country are all changed to reflect that THAT country is, indeed, the BEST.

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OhforfSake
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posted December 25, 2016 01:15 PM

Well first of all, I find it troublesome that when children are involved in a fight both parties usually gets punished.

If someone assaults you, you normally don't expect to be punished for it afterwards.

I decided violence was wrong when I was about 9 years old and stopped getting into fights on purpose.. the result was that I was involved in more fights after I made the decision compared to before because now I was an easy target who didn't fight back, an easy way to establish a position and gain "respect".
I remember I helped other children who were being bullied, but every time those I helped had the opportunity to "advance over me" they wouldn't hold back attacking me.. very disappointed.

Anyway what I wanted to point is that I personally never saw why I had to go to school when I was a small child, not even when I was leaving school did I get the deal, and I think that is a big problem in general.
Consider an adult who do something either to gain wealth and/or because he enjoys it, he has chosen to be the place he wants to be, so it's very unlikely he wants to ruin it for himself.
I doubt many children have it that way, and it is a huge shame, because school offers the ability to find insights and accelerate learning things even a child would find interesting, but it is not something that is obvious in my opinion.
E.g. for a child the school is a, potentially, boring curriculum and being stuck 6-8 hours 5 days a week no matter how well they do with their curriculum. This in my opinion give rise to frustration and indifference towards the school and their classmates.

When it comes to who it is a failure of, I think it depends on the reasoning behind acting out, if the child in question in general always act badly, then I would say the parents can be blamed, but if the child only acts out at school then perhaps the school also have something they can improve upon.
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artu
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posted December 25, 2016 01:30 PM
Edited by artu at 13:30, 25 Dec 2016.

Ohforfsake said:
I remember I helped other children who were being bullied, but every time those I helped had the opportunity to "advance over me" they wouldn't hold back attacking me.. very disappointed.

I don't know how you tried to do that but sometimes you have a way of being nice to people synthetically, in a very overexposured fashion. So overexposured, it even feels creepy. Treating someone as if they are fragile crystal may disturb them sometimes even more than being bullied, and that's probably what happened, your help gave them the chills.
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OhforfSake
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posted December 25, 2016 03:26 PM

That may be the first time I have been criticized for being too nice.

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markkur
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posted December 25, 2016 04:01 PM

OhforfSake said:
Well first of all, I find it troublesome that when children are involved in a fight both parties usually gets punished.

If someone assaults you, you normally don't expect to be punished for it afterwards.


Yeah, I can't speak for other nations but I grew up having to do two things. Since I was a happy-go-lucky kid on the outside (I was taking care of my two younger brothers at home mostly on my own) bullies would always think me a fine target. I would avoid them but eventually they would HAVE to discover that a quite different young man was on the inside.

Then, when I ended the fiascos with these brutes, I was punished as if I had started the long BS.

However, things did not end there; because this skinny-kid had trounced a couple of feared-bullies - then the "tough-guys" came my way and it seemed I was boxing on a regular freakin' basis...proving I was not afraid of any kid there. I had a horrible reputation with the school officials and yet the environment was not under control much at all and all I was doing was defending myself. I never picked on anyone else, verbally or physically. Oh well, I survived but I know some kids do not do well. Back then, there was some fear about knives but never about guns.


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Blizzardboy
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posted December 25, 2016 04:25 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 17:27, 25 Dec 2016.

The reason laws like this make it through isn't because a majority of lawmakers think it's a good idea per se, but because of an inability to negotiate a budget, and so some sort of 'fix' gets pushed through haphazardly.  Reoccurring violent kids aren't wanted in classrooms, rightfully so, as the entire class/school goes down because of it. Learning grinds to a halt. Maslow's hierarchy kicks in. Alternatives are wanted that involves some sort of system other than either a much higher rate of expulsions or bringing in the police. These alternatives take staff and money that may or may not be available on a given year because of 5245 different factors that cannot be covered. A disproportionate number of these students getting funneled into the penal system will be fatherless, empty, angry black males. The pattern continues.
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markkur
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posted December 25, 2016 05:34 PM

Blizzardboy said:
The reason laws like this make it through isn't because a majority of lawmakers think it's a good idea per se, but because of an inability to negotiate a budget, and so some sort of 'fix' gets pushed through haphazardly.  Reoccurring violent kids aren't wanted in classrooms, rightfully so, as the entire class/school goes down because of it. Learning grinds to a halt. Maslow's hierarchy kicks in. Alternatives are wanted that involves some sort of system other than either a much higher rate of expulsions or bringing in the police. These alternatives take staff and money that may or may not be available on a given year because of 5245 different factors that cannot be covered. A disproportionate number of these students getting funneled into the penal system will be fatherless, empty, angry black males. The pattern continues.


I agree Blizz. This crap will hit all races but it will hit the Black Community much harder...as if there is not already enough gone wrong.

In spite of things I am turning my Radar off to say; Merry Christmas to you at 9,000 feet.

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Kayna
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posted December 25, 2016 05:40 PM
Edited by Kayna at 17:40, 25 Dec 2016.

I got beat up at school before, and I approve of this law. The destiny of a child depends a lot on good parenting. Maybe we should tell parents to do their jobs along with such a law.

If anything doesn't fit with an absence of law, it's an enormous quantity of parents that thinks their children will learn everything on their own. If only they understood that putting food on the table and sending them to school isn't all there is to it.

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fred79
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posted December 25, 2016 06:07 PM

That's another thing that sucks about that kind of blanket-law. The kids who'll defend themselves will be lumped with the asses. Really, the levels of stupidity in this are overwhelming.

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OhforfSake
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posted December 25, 2016 06:17 PM

Well I was practically assaulted or feared for being assaulted 5 days a week for six years, yet the people who did this to me actually turned out fine enough.
Steady jobs, married or about to get married and both have very young children.
So this kind of law while it would perhaps have helped me, it'd only have made their life worse, so in total I don't think it's the right solution, or not for my case at least.

While I lost contact with them as we left public schooling, I had the feeling that my country's high school/college was much tougher on bullies in general.
Many people in my new class could easily have made me a target, but no one did, the worst thing I got was verbal stuff that was nothing compared to what I had grown accustomed to.

So I suppose if they tried to continue their ways when they left public schooling they were in an awakening. Also add to that their career path meant they were among the youngest (up to 5 years younger at least I think) in their new classes, in a path where you usually have to be physically strong to do well, so perhaps their new environment simply forced them to adapt to a different kind of behaviour.

When I met them again some years ago, they were completely ordinary (meant in a good way).

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Salamandre
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posted December 25, 2016 06:52 PM

OhforfSake said:
Well I was practically assaulted or feared for being assaulted 5 days a week for six years,




Why didn't train, combat sport, anything that can make the difference and end it. Waiting 6 years and doing nothing sounds crazy to me.

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Kayna
Kayna


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posted December 25, 2016 07:09 PM

fred79 said:
That's another thing that sucks about that kind of blanket-law. The kids who'll defend themselves will be lumped with the asses. Really, the levels of stupidity in this are overwhelming.


Not really. People can still defend themselves.

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Kayna
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posted December 25, 2016 07:19 PM
Edited by Kayna at 19:19, 25 Dec 2016.

OhforfSake said:
Well I was practically assaulted or feared for being assaulted 5 days a week for six years, yet the people who did this to me actually turned out fine enough.


Maybe they would have turned fine after a few months in juvenile jail too. If you can endure beatings and turn out fine, they can endure two three months of jail and turn out fine too. While they are innocent in some ways, you are even more innocent than them so it's not that hard to slice in.

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