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JollyJoker
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posted January 05, 2017 02:11 PM

Well, go ahead. I don't. H3 with H4 map objects is still H3.

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posted January 05, 2017 02:26 PM

Is not about H4 map objects, is about being technically able to mod the game the way you want, with very few restrictions.

Take for example civ5, you build a mod then nightmare starts. Every time the game finds an error in your code, it skips all the mod and it does not notify where the error is. This concerns also names cloning, so if you use in your mod a definition already used in vanilla, all the mod will be ignored. If you want to fix the error, you have to close the game, fix code then go again in game and hope you were right.

Now take H3, any error in code is specified in the message you get in game, then you can just minimize window, fix error, press F12 to refresh script and it updates the game on the fly.

Conclusion, to fix an error in civ5 it takes you ~5 minutes (error fix + game starting), in H3 5 seconds. Supposing you know exactly where to go and fix. Modding in civ5 is an enormous waste of time.    

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posted January 05, 2017 02:37 PM

And that is relevant for the thread because?

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Salamandre
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posted January 05, 2017 03:04 PM

It answers to your wrong claim that a Heroes fan should be attracted by x or y game. Not if those games do not match, either in fluidity or customization possibilities -this doesn't apply if games are different in genre, but here they are strategy similar.

Then define which Heroes game, H5 is not similar to H3 and it looks entirely different. It is closer from AoW3, so being a fan of H3 I prefer AoW2. This year I also ignored civ6 as civ5 already took a path I don't enjoy.

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posted January 05, 2017 03:52 PM

Salamandre said:
It answers to your wrong claim that a Heroes fan should be attracted by x or y game.

I think, you really have a reading comprehension problem, because I did no such thing. What I did was answering a post of Corribus, whom I know being a HoMM fan (obviously) and a Civ fan as well.
Also, even if you WERE right with this - you don't answer anything, because it's about PLAYING a game, not MODDING it.
And even If you were right with THAT, you still were wrong, because AoW3 has mod support and is so easily moddable that even a total amateur like me can make a mod effortless. It takes me about 5 minutes to mod aa new ability for a unit, including text, which was the last thing I added to a mod of mine a couple of days ago, for example.

Also, if you have any questions with regard to "what HoMM", ask OP - he wants games "like HoMM and Disciples 2".

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posted January 05, 2017 04:29 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:44, 05 Jan 2017.

The problem is not on my side, but on yours. You are the one considering that there are HoMM gameS, while most people consider there is H2/3 then H4-7 are different games, with same name. When you say:

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I can't really fathom, how someone with an interest in HoMM and Civ will pass EL and AoW by.


this makes little sense, as the ones who are/were interested in H2-3 are unlikely to be interested in H5-7, and we have tons of data/statistics about this. And this choice will reflect also in their aow/civ choices. The way I see civilization games, it looks to me they take the same path, after a neat break with the third, then aow after the second. I have no problem with games changing into something else -after all nothing is immortal, I have a problem with people generalizing and considering they are still same game.

Also about H4 objects in H3, I repeat, is not about objects in themselves, but about properties. This means we can script anything H4 had and more, any kind of quest, reward, complex plots etc. H4 has NO longer the most interesting RPG part, as you claim, but of course, there is also a learning curve to keep updated about those games evolution, so you are excused.

This is why it makes no sense to recommend or compare, TODAY, such games in their vanilla state.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 05, 2017 04:42 PM

Lol! Dude, you are hopeless.

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markmasters
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posted January 05, 2017 10:40 PM

You moght wanna try Sorceror King

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posted January 05, 2017 11:05 PM

lo and alas and so on and with the thunder of a thousand trumpets on the fields of Other Games Exist Too, was waged and raged the epic battle of Ye Olde Heroes Fans,

twain legendary 'eroes, great titans and black dragons of men, locked in furious pedantry and keyboard warfare, doth at length lay waste to another thread, another mere star in the sky or fart in the wind or piss in the ocean of time, space and spacetime,

neither the first not the last and all that mate, lol,
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Salamandre
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posted January 05, 2017 11:56 PM

And like another akin keyboard storm, the story teller was passing by, "Der Dichter spricht", then his erratic talk narrated the epic battle between the impetuous Florestan and the sensitive Eusebius. And this is how one more fart in the wind, or one more mere star, were concluding the Childhood Scenes.  
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posted January 06, 2017 08:40 AM

Salamandre said:
This is why it makes no sense to recommend or compare, TODAY, such games in their vanilla state.


What makes you think that when someone mentions a game it has to mean vanilla? What if by saying Age of Wonders III one broadly refers to the definitive / up to date official version of the game from Triumph? And what do mods have to do with anything since what the OP asks for is recommendations of games and not mods or fan expansions? And why are you in defense mode over Heroes III since the game wasn't even mentioned in the first place? I'm afraid JJ's right on this one and your contribution so far is only hindering the objective of the thread.
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Salamandre
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posted January 06, 2017 10:23 AM

First, 99% of what we play today are mods. A map is a mod. A template is a mod. Once you add an event to the game, you get a mod. Almost every heroes 3 player today starts by downloading HD mod (then everyone recommends Quantomas patch for H5) because it greatly simplifies the game-play, fixes tons of bugs, AI performance and such. Without mods and the constant work over years, Heroes 3 wouldn't exist anymore today, it would be in Heroes 2 state, talk to past tense. So the actual state of the game is important, in the sense that it offers a much safer experience. You wouldn't recommend RoE to someone looking for H3 game, right?

I am not in defense for H3, actually I don't care anymore about H3, far from that. I was answering to a claim that H4 has the most RPG-ish map adventure. Not today, because with the additional content over years and the modding possibilities, H3 leads in that area, it is worth saying.

Then my bottom point is that there is little difference between -let's say H2 and H3, or civ2 and civ3, and there is a galaxy between H4 and H5, or civ4 and civ5, from many points of view, the most important being the graphics style. Thus, for recommending a game in the "style" of Heroes or Civilization, one must first define his style preferences. That's all, we already spent too much time discussing the obvious.

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posted January 06, 2017 10:46 AM

Correction:

YOU spent too much time with writing loads of nonsense, addressing the wrong persons and wasting other people's time.

And there wasn't any discussion.

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posted January 06, 2017 06:52 PM

Except he's not writing nonsense, what if OP buys AoW3 and doesn't like it? IMO AoW3 is closest to homm4, yet Panda, a h4 fan, didn't like it. Different opinions is what creates discussion, if everyone agrees, what is left to say? Congrats, yes congrats!

Besides, HOMM is unique, there is no other games like it, and while it is true h5 is very close to h3 in terms of mechanics, it is also true the game looks different due to 3d and art direction, just as much as while ironically AoW3 has a feel closer to Heroes than the more recent "Heroes" games (imo), it is indeed a different game, with a different pacing and mechanics. So I disagree that it is far-fetched or adds nothing to pinpoint the differences.
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posted January 06, 2017 08:51 PM

JollyJoker said:
Correction:

YOU spent too much time with writing loads of nonsense, addressing the wrong persons and wasting other people's time.

And there wasn't any discussion.


Chill out, nazi guy. It isn't your forum, you don't pay for anything here neither you were of any help in any heroes project, so learn to accept other opinions than yours. Or call a moderator if you really can't handle then he will arbitrate.
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posted January 07, 2017 10:51 AM

This is getting so hilariously absurd I'm actually starting to enjoy this. Quick reminder: OP said (full post):
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Looking for Games like HOMM and Disciples 2

New or old, no preference. Mainly just looking for the names of the games, and a screenshot or two.

I already have the HOMM series and most Disciples...


And just for fun some recent excerpts:

Galaad said:
what if OP buys AoW3 and doesn't like it?
Hell, yes, what if OP does indeed, lol?

Salamandre said:
...nazi guy.

Blur said:
Woo-hoo.

Salamandre said:
neither you were of any help in any heroes project, so learn to accept other opinions than yours.

Galaad said:
he's not writing nonsense

Salamandre said:
Or call a moderator if you really can't handle then he will arbitrate.

Galaad said:
he's not writing nonsense


Keep it coming, guys, I'm sure you can do even better than that.

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posted January 07, 2017 12:45 PM

I don't find it funny, rather pitiful that yet another thread got derailed by our resident Heroes 3 supremacists.
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posted January 07, 2017 02:05 PM
Edited by Galaad at 16:08, 07 Jan 2017.

JollyJoker said:



I was referring to the actual arguments and not the love messages between both of you, obviously. Great job on the misquote, who can do better than what?

That's the problem with you JJ, everytime someone doesn't share you view, you quickly dismiss by saying "nonsense" without addressing the points, killing the dialogue.
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posted January 07, 2017 02:11 PM
Edited by artu at 14:12, 07 Jan 2017.

JJ said:
That wouldn't make it less paradoxical, because actually the one Heroes game transmitting an abundance on the adventure map is H4 - which is "no real HoMM game" according to a lot of people, but clearly is the most RPG-oriented HoMM game.

That's quite irrelevant since H4 can be more RPG based compared to the other HoMM titles, yet, the merchandise in general can be still more RPG based compared to AoW or El, which was what he was specifying his preference on. He didn't mention a specific Heroes game anyway. The point is, what he said had nothing to do with story maps versus random maps. But this whole thing went off track anyway.
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posted January 07, 2017 03:15 PM

Actually there was a game that might've been sth special, and maybe would've been a game that we would all refer to with praise. I'm thinking about the 'original (3DO) Heroes 5 which was shaping up to be a game that would've taken the best from both H3 and H4 (Heroes 3 appeal, but with H4's elastic, mod friendly engine). It's a pipe dream at this point probably, but if only someone would pick it up...

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