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artu
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posted January 03, 2017 04:44 PM

France introduces opt-out policy on organ donation

In France, it will be the norm to be allowed to use the organs of a person unless they specifically refused to donate them before death. So, the norm is to be a donator now, not donating is the exception.

I support this, since I would be glad if my organs were saving lives, yet I never took the time to officially donate them an I assume there are a lot of people like me.

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posted January 03, 2017 04:53 PM

Let's hope Rocco Sifredi isn't on the refuse list.

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posted January 03, 2017 04:57 PM

They just ask you on your driver's license if you want to be an organ donor or not.

Another name for a motorcycler without a helmet is "Organ Donor".
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posted January 03, 2017 07:36 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 19:41, 03 Jan 2017.

I agree this is an excellent policy, for two reasons, first as you mentioned many people who would gladly give their organs never take the time to become a donor. Second and most important is the psychological effects, few people find it pleasant to be reminded of their mortality, it's uncomfortable (not to mention some find the idea of others profiting from their death slightly distasteful, we have to be wary how people perceive the topic). And if you want you can still opt out.

Again I totally agree with this policy and hope for its implementation here, everyone can die a hero now.
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posted January 03, 2017 09:30 PM

Salamandre said:
Let's hope Rocco Sifredi isn't on the refuse list.


lol, that's a guy after my own heart. that guy loves to eat fine ass.

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posted January 03, 2017 11:08 PM

YES!!!

Now let's get a step farther and seize the personal assets of all stiffs who don't leave a last will, to give them to the needy.

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posted January 03, 2017 11:47 PM

Don't they already do that?

We had a wealthy uncle in Russia, now I don't really know if this was before 1918, during Stalin or Lenin, but the state got his wealth is all I know.

Not that I personally have much care about it, but the first time I heard the story I found it odd.
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posted January 03, 2017 11:56 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 23:57, 03 Jan 2017.

There is nothing about this in whole French news or media. And on purpose, the law was voted two years ago (april 2015), but takes effect starting with January 2017.

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posted January 04, 2017 12:00 AM

I don't actually know what happens to a person's assets if they don't have a will.  I know my Barclay's online savings account isn't payable upon death, so I'm assuming that means the bank keeps it. I. E. I should be on the lookout for Barclay assassins.
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posted January 04, 2017 12:31 AM

If you have children, they are automatically heirs, if not, closest relatives are, starting with a spouse (in some countries spouse is before children if I remember correctly), brothers, sisters, cousins and so on. If you have no relatives that can be traced, then the state takes your belongings and donate it to charity, I guess.
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posted January 04, 2017 12:39 AM

What about their friends, then?

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posted January 04, 2017 12:47 AM

Friendship has no legal status.
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posted January 04, 2017 01:07 AM

Going to play the devils' advocate on this one and throw two objections around.

Objection 1: given there's a shortage of donor organs and organs need to be harvested as soon as possible, what's to stop doctors from declaring you "dead", while you're actually still at the brink and can still be saved? They'd start cutting out organs while you're still alive.

Objection 2: not all organs are needed in the same amounts. Excess organs get sold to foreign countries - resulting in others (people, organisations) earning money at the expense of your corporeal remains. They earn money over your dead body - literally. See also objection 1.

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posted January 04, 2017 01:19 AM
Edited by artu at 01:20, 04 Jan 2017.

Objection 1: Actually, some people who don't donate use this argument already, they say some doctor may pull the plug in an arguably not completely hopeless situation, if they need your organs. But all the doctors I know say that's against their oath and if the person isn't brain dead for sure, they would never ever do that. If you still suspect they would, well then, they can be doing it before the law, too.

Objection 2: Are you talking about the organ mafia? If so, what has that got to do with laws?
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posted January 04, 2017 01:23 AM

Maurice said:
Going to play the devils' advocate on this one and throw two objections around.

Objection 1: given there's a shortage of donor organs and organs need to be harvested as soon as possible, what's to stop doctors from declaring you "dead", while you're actually still at the brink and can still be saved? They'd start cutting out organs while you're still alive.

Objection 2: not all organs are needed in the same amounts. Excess organs get sold to foreign countries - resulting in others (people, organisations) earning money at the expense of your corporeal remains. They earn money over your dead body - literally. See also objection 1.


This is a problem in England where the lifesupport machines were almost turned off prematurely just because the patient was a donor, with protest from the family it was stopped and the man eventually fully recovered. So yes it does have scary aspects, but that's more down to human stupidity when it comes to priority (the recovery of the patient or the proccurement of organs). Response mainly to objection 1.
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posted January 04, 2017 01:36 AM

Well, if you are actually scared of such a thing and suspect it's a regularity rather than an extremely exceptional bad practice, you always have the option to not donate, it's not like they are making it mandatory.
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posted January 04, 2017 06:58 AM

i'm an organ donor. what people don't know, of course, is that i'm chock-full of poison. i'll be passing on my essence to them. which means, i'll be eventually taking them over and assuming control once again... and in a new body, too. and once i start my shenanigans, the cycle will start all over again!

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Maurice
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posted January 04, 2017 10:14 AM

artu said:
Objection 2: Are you talking about the organ mafia? If so, what has that got to do with laws?


Nope. It's legalised sale of organs that are otherwise spoiled after someone has been picked clean. I don't know whether it's the government who earns money that way or the organisation that stores the organs for processing, but I know there's international sanctioned organ trade - and that's not free of charge. As such, there are people who earn money over the organ donor's death.

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posted January 04, 2017 10:51 AM

Hmmm, well, I'm sure the one who's getting the extra organ money aren't the doctors determining whether the plug should be pulled or not. So, if they make some extra cash from my body, just be it, after all, what's the harm.
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posted January 04, 2017 10:56 AM

I'm not sure if it's a matter of money in this case.

The common(?) fear of people not getting all the help they possibly could get because then some of their organs have a much higher risk of not being available is perhaps more to do with a kind of cynicism that in my opinion doesn't belong in a hospital but something it's my opinion most smart people (hence people who e.g. become doctors) "suffer" from. Perhaps "being practical" or realistic is a nicer way of putting it than cynicism.

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