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Thread: Random Thoughts: Slay the Troll edition. This thread is 75 pages long: 1 10 20 30 40 50 ... 58 59 60 61 62 ... 70 75 · «PREV / NEXT»
artu
artu


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posted August 17, 2017 11:38 AM
Edited by artu at 11:52, 17 Aug 2017.

AlHazin said:
Democracy is a chimera, power and freedom nullify each other.

Yeah, well, lots and lots of people from countries without that chimera seem to be migrating to that chimera, meanwhile nobody from those chimeras run to totalitarian regimes, so something works certainly better in practicality.
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AlHazin
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posted August 17, 2017 12:09 PM

Ah, are really the Chinese massively leaving their country, or the Russians, or were the Spanish leaving Spain under Franco?

Immigration has almost nothing to do with freedom, it's opportunism, it's to win more money easier. As I'm well place to tell you that, know that those who take those ships to cross the mediterranean are not poor people, they live more than decently here.

If people were fleeing the Arab world for their freedom dor instance, than their religion or culture or anything wouldn't be a problem for Europe since they were oppressed by it in their countries.

Turkey is not a democracy is it? Why don't you leave then, are you being oppressed?
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artu
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posted August 17, 2017 12:24 PM

Turkey is a democracy but a very dysfunctional one at the moment. And yes, there are millions of Chinese and Russian immigrants all over the world, the reason you hear less about them compared to Muslims is because they are significantly more adaptive and they cause less controversy. Their cultures are less frozen.

Not everybody would give a priority to living in a democracy enough to migrate, and I'm not suggesting life is hell elsewhere. What I'm saying is, WHEN people make such a preference, it's always towards democratic regimes, not from them to elsewhere. You say this is about opportunity, which is not even an objection to what I suggested in the first place: That would only mean democracies result in better opportunities.
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Galaad
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posted August 17, 2017 01:14 PM
Edited by Galaad at 13:19, 17 Aug 2017.

Evidently democracy is better than totalitarian regimes any day, but the former is being so exploited it is hardly democracy any longer. It is to an extent, and without doubt it gives more freedom to the folks than a totalitarian regime, but many non-democractic things goes under the radar and populations often get the feeling to get ****** over. Like when they vote no for some decision and government ignores it and goes through with it anyway, or when someone gets to a high position of power without being elected by anyone, for example. I am more talking about Europe specifically there.
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posted August 17, 2017 01:53 PM

NoobX said:
What the christ, fred, chill.


i wish i could, man, i really do. but this crap just keeps happening. it's not something i'm going to ignore, and it's not something i should have to ignore. YOU wouldn't, if you had this running issue with a mod. you would be quite irritated by it.

if cor exhibited this behavior on everyone here, this wouldn't be an issue; because i'd see that it was just normal for him. but because I'M always targeted, i know that it's not.

tell me, if someone was always on YOUR case and always crapping all over YOU for bullcrap reasons, while everyone else was allowed to do what supposedly YOU are being targeted for; wouldn't you see that as an issue? i mean, come on, man. do you really think i care that he closed a stupid thread? it's not about the thread itself(because by and large, the content of the threads being closed are vw material, ffs; just like everything most everyone ELSE posts in the vw!); it's about the fact that he keeps closing MY threads. that he makes these horrible excuses while doing so, is just the icing on the cake.

it's like having a little pin poke you over and over. it's only slightly irritating, but with enough pin pricks, i feel the need to try and stop it. call me crazy.

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verriker
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posted August 17, 2017 02:07 PM

bear in mind Corribus apparently got you away without a draconian penalty on that language filter though mate even though the admin had his finger on the button, I doubt Corribus is bothered who made the thread or has a personal beef, he is just a bit of a highbrow poster while we can tend to find lowbrow stuff amusing lol
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Galaad
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posted August 17, 2017 02:28 PM

Fred why are you angry at Cor again? He literally saved your arse.

Valeriy said:
I was going to penalise your post but decided against it in favour of Corribuses lenience.


From the tribunal thread...
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OhforfSake
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posted August 17, 2017 02:31 PM

fred79 said:
i wish i could, man, i really do. but this crap just keeps happening. it's not something i'm going to ignore, and it's not something i should have to ignore. YOU wouldn't, if you had this running issue with a mod. you would be quite irritated by it.


Well I feel I experienced something similar some years ago, almost every time I made an Osm thread Artu would point out a similar more general topic existed and Corribus would wasteland my thread, hence I stopped creating Osm threads altogether.

It was annoying when it happened, I also felt it didn't happen to other people, but I did decide to ignore it.

That said, to me it doesn't seem like that is what is happening to you, just glancing over the VW you've plenty of unclosed threads, many more than closed ones, I am actually a little confused.

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artu
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posted August 17, 2017 02:37 PM

I wasnt picking your threads, I dont even remember it was specifically you who created a bunch of threads that already existed. Whenever, a topic that had been already discussed got a thread, I linked it because I dont like the same arguments branching out in various threads over and over again, it's better to have everything under a single thread. A few of my own threads were also closed by Corribus for having almost identical duplicates already.
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posted August 17, 2017 02:40 PM

artu said:
But I do watch the videos of alt-right people and it is not exactly secularism they defend, no, their rhetoric is more like "these arabs can never be secular like us because it's against their nature, I dont care if our government and global economy caused mayhem and poverty over there, let's just keep them out, simple and clear."


You use the arguments of a provocative charismatic internet troll -which clearly has to be incentive and flamboyant in order to get the money for- to define all the alt right, everywhere, while what he affirms is not backed by ANY of the "alt right" movements in Europe. There is NOTHING from his extreme discourses which is in some official manifesto, so what we talk about? Is only his opinion. Give me some ideas from official programs which you find regressive then we can finally and fairly talk.

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OhforfSake
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posted August 17, 2017 02:44 PM

Btw. I didn't mean you didn't do it to other people's threads too, only that to me it seemed like it was mainly only my threads that always got relegated afterwards while others not so much, hence I felt targeted.

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posted August 17, 2017 03:02 PM

fred79 said:
NoobX said:
What the christ, fred, chill.


i wish i could, man, i really do. but this crap just keeps happening. it's not something i'm going to ignore, and it's not something i should have to ignore. YOU wouldn't, if you had this running issue with a mod. you would be quite irritated by it.

Yes, of course, but you're seeing it from your perspective, Cor sees it from his, and I see it from mine.  You see yourself as a victim, I have no idea what goes through Cor's mind tbh, and I just want to be unbiased.  

First of all:
What we were doing was spamming - nothing more, nothing less.  Was it quality spam?  Not in the slightest.  Cor, as a VW moderator, has the duty of keeping the place clean, meaning that low quality discussions are to be terminated by him.  If the thread's original purpose was to be a game of "say what the word/phrase above reminds you of", then I'd be pretty pissed off as well.  However, that wasn't the case here, and the closure of the thread seems justified, at least to me, as at that point we were just throwing these replies in, which were completely random and junkish.  Do I think Cor closed it because he holds a grudge?  Not at all.  Do I think any of the mods hold a grudge?  No, and that would be ridiculous.


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if cor exhibited this behavior on everyone here, this wouldn't be an issue; because i'd see that it was just normal for him. but because I'M always targeted, i know that it's not.

I've had my threads closed and deleted in the same fashion.  Yes, believe it or not, it actually happened.  Did I think it was a load of bullerwan at the time?  Yeah.  Now, not so much.


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tell me, if someone was always on YOUR case and always crapping all over YOU for bullcrap reasons, while everyone else was allowed to do what supposedly YOU are being targeted for; wouldn't you see that as an issue? i mean, come on, man. do you really think i care that he closed a stupid thread? it's not about the thread itself(because by and large, the content of the threads being closed are vw material, ffs; just like everything most everyone ELSE posts in the vw!); it's about the fact that he keeps closing MY threads. that he makes these horrible excuses while doing so, is just the icing on the cake.

it's like having a little pin poke you over and over. it's only slightly irritating, but with enough pin pricks, i feel the need to try and stop it. call me crazy.

Oh, I'm very familiar with that problem - someone does something, everyone's okay with it; I do the same thing and I get erwaned for it.  Erwan that erwan.
But I don't see that happening here.  It's just that you feel isolated because you got the erwaned end of the stick.  Of course, if you provided me with an example of another poster that got different treatment for the same actions, I'd gladly look that up.
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artu
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posted August 17, 2017 03:04 PM

@forfy

That is selective perception. I even did it when Corribus himself opened a thread about death and children, suggesting to merge it with the Death thread.

@Sal

I'm not talking about just one blogger, there are 4 or 5 people who are popular enough to be considered sociologically significant enough to represent a demographic value. They share these common traits. I am not talking about the specific programme of a certain party but rather tendencies in social movements. That was the subject at first hand, alt-right groups, leftist groups. Kicking statues is in no party programme either.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 17, 2017 03:08 PM

I think I didn't explain myself well in the previous post, so I try again.

I didn't feel targeted by you. I know you do that indiscriminately. You were only part of the process, those few threads you didn't do it in, didn't get relegated either, iIRC, which was the reason I mentioned the process.

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posted August 17, 2017 03:54 PM

it snowing exhausts me, continually attempting to address and explain this problem, only to not be heard OVER, and OVER, and OVER again. why don't we just pretend that nothing at all exists? why not? snow it, right?

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OhforfSake
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posted August 17, 2017 04:01 PM

Well what sense does it make to fight a futile cause? Once (if ever) you don't find yourself ignored, it would make more sense to make a case in my opinion.

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fred79
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posted August 17, 2017 04:22 PM

this is my final attempt to try and get you people to figure out what's going on:

why ELSE would anyone close a perfectly innocent thread, and act like there's something WRONG with it?

if you can answer this question BY ITSELF, you have your answer. and with that answer, you now have your reasoning. and with that reasoning, you can understand WHY it's an issue, and one that keeps REPEATING itself.

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AlHazin
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posted August 17, 2017 04:28 PM

The closed one had F word on it, it's normal it's closed and deleted.

The second it's pure spam so there is nothing lost is there? Maybe the problem is sexuality too. The threads tend to always have that connotation, that is hmm-hmm with the CoC,

which is based on Coran.
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fred79
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posted August 17, 2017 06:00 PM

AlHazin said:
The closed one had F word on it, it's normal it's closed and deleted.


i wasn't disagreeing in the slightest with that one being closed, because it's understandable. i would have closed it myself if i could have.

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posted August 17, 2017 07:49 PM

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