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Thread: Does anybody know the examples of the similar things elsewhere? This thread is 6 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 · «PREV / NEXT»
artu
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posted April 09, 2017 08:39 AM

1- I never said they were random events, I said they were events that were fueled by a counter-nationalism among the military officers and the population, they went beyond the control of central authorities in many cases (who were not hesitant to turn a blind eye though, which still makes them responsible) and unlike the Holocaust, things were not based on an ideology of wiping out a race off the surface of the earth becuse they were considered sub-human. So, stop putting words in my mouth. The very fact that the population in major cities and the ones who assimilated were not touched is proof of what I told you.

2- Quantum Physics is still physics, it is a positive science and therefore based on a materialist ontology. And you don't need quantum physics to tell you that the possibility of anything is never zero on a purely speculative basis, any old-school mystic can do that, that's not how knowledge operates though.The possibilty of you turning out to be Adriana Lima in real life is also not zero, yet, I won't ASSUME such a thing because I have no sufficient reason to. Infinity is not a free ticket to claim every extremely improbable thing should be taken seriously since hypothetically nothing is impossible.

3- Of course,  I do avoid discussion with you. That is the one thing you got right in all the scrambling above. My final words to you would be this though, if you are under the impression that me or anybody else avoid you because they feel threatened by the superiority of your arguments, even infinity would not be enough to cover the volume of the delusion you are in. So, please stop turning every frigging thread in this place into an eye-sore and if you are really so bored, try to conserve your posting on a single thread like people with common sense advised you to. Otherwise, you will soon get permanently banned, the way you post, you can be quite certain about the inevitability of that end.
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posted April 09, 2017 02:15 PM

1) Well, actually I have said that you refusing to accept a well-planned and systematic charecter of the genocide, but I not typed that you said about a random character of the genocice, - this is just another play with words, done by you mr artu.

2) , mr artu, even if we are forget about a lot of another clues, the cleansing of the archives has been done by:

--- a) Separated khaliphs, the spheres of control of which is in permanent civil war in the RoT.

--- b) by Santa Claus

--- c) By Central Government of the RoT

--- d) the other variants?

So if we gonna realize who have done archive cleansing, we probably realize who have planned and executed the genocide politics itself, coz' in other cases the archive-cleansing operation will make a little sense, what do you think about that version

3) As I said, in the terms of genocide politics there no working any normal juridic stuff, I mean if the genocide has been appear of the sphere that was under control of the particular government, etc. It is almost with no doubts that this genocide has been planned and executed by this particular government. Fairy-tales aka Alice in the Wonderland: "We don't recognize it,that was no-planned, non-systematic and chaotic character stuff, etc" is not acceptable by anyone that thinking like a frostysh. In short - no one idiot will believe in such fairy tales.

4) Quantum Physics is using materialistic 'ontology' rather than based on it <imo>.

--- a) I don't know who is Adriana Lima, but yes, we have non zero probability that a probability of nothing is impossible is not zero , and this will be till we obtain a normal model of reality, a normal durable model that will descibe Universe, etc. Till now - on this particular level, anything and everything (that human can imagine) is possible (I mean not impossible, so not have a zero probability).

--- b) It will be better to clarify the definition of INFINITY (cool word ), when I am typing about infinity I am not typing about infinity as space time, or a multiple Universes, I am talking about an infinity amount of anything that you can imagine mr artu, and what you cannot.

--- c) Can you give to me a guarantee that somewhere in this infinity Zeus, Odin, Rha and Moses cannot drinking a beer in some Tavern ? Yep, ... no further questions.

--- d) I have said it to you mr artu once, in the original topic about 'materialism': it is not means that physicist mus forgot about Physics and become a mystic, of course not, they as usually will use materialism (but mostly their intuition ^^ ) and stuff to explore the Nature. In short, they not taking it seriously, just keeping in mind, as I have said to you mr artu, before, it is Nature of humans, to have a doubts in anything, especially a nature of the Theoretical Physicists.

So I have doubts, that any Theoretical Physicist will say that with 100% guarantee mystic stuff such as Gods is not existing. And I see no problem there. If you want to be sure in something on 100% - okay mr artu, this will be your choice, but I have showed to you another way, so I gave to you the ability to make a choice - and this is truly good, according to 'Rules' - I am joking.

5) About the ban - I cannot force to change the choices that has been made by other peoples, and even I may be able, I will not. I am not feeling good about this, I am feels pretty bad, but Idkn, it is hard to explain.
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posted April 09, 2017 02:30 PM

frostysh said:
1) Well, actually I have said that you refusing to accept a well-planned and systematic charecter of the genocide, but I not typed that you said about a random character of the genocice, - this is just another play with words, done by you mr artu.

Only a page ago:
frostysh said:
You attempts to make it as 'random events' looks just pathetic to me, you see mr artu,


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posted April 09, 2017 02:42 PM
Edited by frostysh at 15:15, 09 Apr 2017.

artu said:
frostysh said:
1) Well, actually I have said that you refusing to accept a well-planned and systematic charecter of the genocide, but I not typed that you said about a random character of the genocice, - this is just another play with words, done by you mr artu.

Only a page ago:
frostysh said:
You attempts to make it as 'random events' looks just pathetic to me, you see mr artu,


'random events' - it is not a random event literally, I mean you see this stuff "''", it's means something close, like we have discussed earlier about "brutal sultan officers" , etc. So I don't really understand you mr artu, and the one point that I have forgot to add:

the "reaction to the nationalistic movements" is looks to me as a pathetic self-excuse. Same nonsense as "they are vermins, they are parasites, they are dark point in our socialistic bright future!, bla-bla-bla", or "they are our mortal natural enemies, the are a threat of our national future, they are inhumane bla-bla-bla", I see no big difference there.
The point is next - the decision, the choice about implementing a genocide politics has been done - the end of story. Well, of course the all of the above mentioned factors adding some problems to the different government in the different times. but the choice of the genocidal politics is not a response. For an example some radical subcultures making a problems in the some powerful governments, but this is not means that the genocide must be a response!
Imho - the genocide is usually the choice of a weak, and pathetic guys, and they will fail, sooner or later.
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posted April 09, 2017 04:02 PM

Your process of ignoring frosty is all wrong artu
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posted April 09, 2017 04:07 PM

Elvin said:
Your process of ignoring frosty is all wrong artu

At least, I don't dedicate threads to him, smart ass.

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posted April 10, 2017 05:04 AM

Nevermind.

But I have forgot to add that the actually Science is only the model of the Reality (or whatever it is), just a model made by humans, and the model that exist in their minds, in their world. The Mysticism for an example was the model also, that explained a lot of thing to the humans of the past.
Of course the Mysticism is not comparable to the Modern Science in terms of precision, de-facto both of it are models, nothin' more, nothin' less. And your Materialism mr artu, is just a model too, it have a borders of where we can apply it - <imho>, well it is little bit more complicated than explanations in the previous post of frostysh, but still I think it is ok.
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posted April 10, 2017 06:42 AM

frostysh said:
Nevermind.

But I have forgot to add that the actually Science is only the model of the Reality (or whatever it is), just a model made by humans, and the model that exist in their minds, in their world. The Mysticism for an example was the model also, that explained a lot of thing to the humans of the past.
Of course the Mysticism is not comparable to the Modern Science in terms of precision, de-facto both of it are models, nothin' more, nothin' less. And your Materialism mr artu, is just a model too, it have a borders of where we can apply it - <imho>, well it is little bit more complicated than explanations in the previous post of frostysh, but still I think it is ok.

Ok, since this post of yours is not a waterfall of gibberish like the others and it is actually a short, understandable statement, I will reply to it.

Yes, any epistemological position is basically a model, but that doesn't make them "all equal." Mysticism is a dead end where in practicality  anything is possible but nothing is actually knowable. Also, I have never seen a mystic who actually lived according to  such principles, they never run into a bus on the road and say "how can we be sure about the reality of this bus!" Positive sciences on the other hand allow us to invent technology that actually functions, predict future events such as eclipses, cure microscopic diseases etc. So there is quite the evidence that the information they provide is not just an abstract model in our mind but something that corresponds to the external reality of the universe, unless you approach to what you sensually perceive as a mystic too and say that everything may be just a dream in your head. Well, if it is, there is not much point in discussing or claiming anything at all, is there? Sweet dreams then.

Positivist knowledge is not everything and it has its limits when it comes to abstract concepts that only philosophy or -in an intuitive level- art can handle. But if we're talking about the external, cosmological reality of the universe, anything beyond positive sciences is just arbitrary, blind speculation. And the most important part is, those speculations have much simpler, logical, anthropological and psychological explanations already. In an infinite universe of blind speculation, Zeus, Jesus and Odin may indeed be sitting in a tavern and Allah may be serving them beer but what is "infinitely" more probable is that these are fictional deities imagined by our primitive ancestors since they had no means of any better answer and the only place they exist is in some people's imagination. The two assumptions above are not identical at all in probability and knowledge is about choosing the more probable, not being one hundred percent certain on a hypothetical level, that's why there is the falsifiablity principle in positive sciences in the first place, to avoid such speculation.

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posted April 10, 2017 09:15 AM
Edited by Elvin at 14:19, 10 Apr 2017.

Theoretically you didn't waste your time with that post but the flying spagheti monster says that you probably did.
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posted April 11, 2017 06:27 AM
Edited by frostysh at 08:01, 11 Apr 2017.

Mr artu, I don't know how to explain this simple, intuitive stuff in the more clear manner. You again tryin' to extrapolate Materialism on the size of Infinity which is impossible even in theory. As I have said, Infinity is not a spatial infinity, time infinity, or something like that. This is something that you cannot imagine, this is an infinity amount of variants, of realities, of anything, and everything, and in the same time of nothing. It is like the Abyss. For an example, we know something for certain (100% like your talks about Materialism), but then we looking little bit further into Abyss



And another Uncertainty appears... Mysticism was just a model, a virtual reality created by humans Brain, that explaining the Abyss around. The Materialism is the same in this case. Perhaps this model will exist for a billion of E.-years, perhaps it's will be replaced by something new right tomorrow, who can answer for this question with a 100% guarantee? Is it gonna be you mr artu? But I will place my bets, on the point that you can make only a prediction with, a function that laid somewhere between 0 and 1, nothin' more, nothin' less. - coz' Infinity, coz' Abyss. You are actually talkin' about that "first place, second place, possibility, bla-bla" that thing is uncertain.
I am bored to repeat to you mr artu, that if the Theoretical Physicist cannot be sure for certain in anything (including Materialism, Positive Science, etc), this is not means that this particular Theoretical Physicist will become a mystic or something like that, he/she will continue explore the Nature with methods and intuition.

You are spoken about a very Reality, on this level, with so easy manner, that I want to laugh, actually even mr Eisenstein, and many other guys didn't actually know what the hell Reality is means, such guys as mr Bohr, screwed this definition forever, they have opened another level of Abyss, and left the possibility to become a Reality even for your craziest fantasy, mr artu, (indeed, we can imagine that fantasy of the human brain can appear like a parallel reality of somekind, and there will real Rha, Thor, and Moses with Holy Buddha himself flying on the Santa' Chair altogether )

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posted April 12, 2017 11:39 AM

Fadaam! frostysh released a mega-smarty idea, I have spoted discussion about a Choice, Materialism, and stuff on the forum where I hope a lot amount of smarty Theoretical guys, and smarty Engi-guys (not a bad Engi, nor bad Programmers) - Philosophy: Choice, Materialism, Quantum Reality, etc.
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posted April 12, 2017 11:57 AM

I guess you got banned there already or something? When I click your link, I get a nice "Page Not Found It appears the thread you were looking for has fallen into a black hole!" error message .
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posted April 12, 2017 12:27 PM

Could that be a sign of things to come?
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posted April 12, 2017 01:11 PM

Elvin said:
Could that be a sign of things to come?


I always thought that Erwanist trolls will be the end of HC as we know it.


Turns out it's someone who wants to become samrt, yet hates reading.
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posted April 12, 2017 03:19 PM

Maurice said:
I guess you got banned there already or something? When I click your link, I get a nice "Page Not Found It appears the thread you were looking for has fallen into a black hole!" error message .


That was one devious attempt of this supertroll.

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posted April 12, 2017 06:33 PM
Edited by frostysh at 09:36, 13 Apr 2017.

Maurice -
Maurice said:
I guess you got banned there already or something? When I click your link, I get a nice "Page Not Found It appears the thread you were looking for has fallen into a black hole!" error message .
Well, it was a bad idea They actually have a rule that allow to "mentor" stuff to delete any threads that connected to the Philosophy thing. Anyway, good that due to the continious problem with electricity supply I have a habits to save my snow in text data , and now I need to find some forum that related to the Philosophical thing, and post ma' snow there.

Attempt number two - fadaam! ~ Philosophy discussion about the matter of Choice, Materialism, Infinity and Reality

04132017/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

The attempt number two seems to failed too (rap-poetry ), despite of the reason that thread has been deleted I must to continue to seek a Truth. I don't know, it's something "genetically" programmed in frostysh So I have created similar threads on the another forums, and just waiting for the answer.

artu -

mr artu, I have realized (yep, reading this Philosophical forums gives some benefits to frostysh ) how to formulate what I am trying to explain to you in more comprehend way:
"You are trying to distance your Materialism from the Infinity of anything and everything, of possibilities, etc. You creating an invisible Aether, that is constant-invariant through this Infinity - it is doomed by default" Viola! frostysh the Philosopher ^^ .
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posted April 13, 2017 03:05 PM

Viola!

That made me smile ^^
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posted April 13, 2017 03:19 PM

Elvin said:
Viola! That made me smile ^^
I am sorry, but I don't understood what did you want to say.
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posted April 13, 2017 03:31 PM

hey, elvin. i'm very interested to talk with you. about stuff. in this thread. i'll even let you pick the topic!

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posted April 13, 2017 03:44 PM

hey i know! let's talk about spoopy and the bald depressing kid! and the hippy bird named woodstick!

k? i'll go first!

spoopy went crazy, right? thinks he's a fighter pilot! and the depressing kid is all, "spoopy, you so crazy!" and i waz like "yeah!" and the depressing kid is like, "who the hell are you?", and i sez to him, i sez, "WHY IN THE snow ARE YOU BALD, KID? IS THAT WHY YOU'RE DEPRESSED? HUH? IS IT?"

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