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artu
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posted June 27, 2017 05:58 PM

Poll Question:
The Matrix Sequels

While zapping, I came across the third Matrix movie and it got me thinking, the first movie is considered a classic now, meanwhile there is absolutely no consensus on the sequels. They are not exactly considered shameful misdirections like, say,  the Star Wars prequels but they are not considered remarkably succesfull either. I never saw anybody quote them or refer to them or use them as examples when talking about films. I haven't seen many people trash-talking about them either. Some say you have to understand hacking technics to understand some aspects of the allegory and some say it is a pseudo-allegory which doesnt make any sense and some say, what allegory? What do you think about the Matrix sequels, do you even properly remember the plot? Why do you think things resolved the way they resolved? Do you think they ruined the simplicity of the first one or do you think they elavated it to a deeper level?

Responses:
They are underrated masterpieces. They were too sophisticated for the average man.
They are incoherent, failed attempts to tie a story that was forced into a trilogy.
They are ok. They could have been better.
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verriker
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posted June 27, 2017 06:31 PM

well, I enjoyed them, but I do not think they are big masterpieces and I can for sure see why some would say they are self indulgent or incoherent, they are very much aimed at fans of The Matrix who want to immerse themselves more in that whole universe and mythology but they do not actually stand up very well in their own right as notable films, as obvious examples like the Lord of the Rings or the Bourne movies or other successful trilogies tend to do lol

so I will say they are OK but they are also fairly up their own arse and therefore could have been better lol
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artu
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posted June 27, 2017 06:50 PM

Yes but both Lord of the Rings and Bourne Trilogy (when Bourne was still a trilogy) stand out as a trilogy, not as 1Cult Movie + 2 step-brothers.
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posted June 27, 2017 07:03 PM

The problem here are the Matrix-1 fanboys who think that the first movie is god made film.

To be honest, they are all snow. I like them all anyway, but that doesn't blind me from the truth. In fact, I would go so far to say that the first one might be the worst of them.
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posted June 27, 2017 09:09 PM

i think the reason why they fall into the background, is because the sequels are pretty much replays of the original. it's like they recycled the 1st movie two more times.

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Elvin
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posted June 27, 2017 09:15 PM

They flesh out what the first one lacked the time to introduce but that's it more or less. I quite enjoyed reloaded but revolutions was more like an obligatory trilogy ending. I just didn't like it all that much.
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bloodsucker
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posted June 27, 2017 09:15 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:17, 27 Jun 2017.

I voted 1 but just for the second one, till this day I still couldn't figure out what the third is about. The second is about religious X politic power, materialism X idealism, the separation of religion and state. I love it, while I disagree from their PoV.

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posted June 27, 2017 10:27 PM

OMG! "The Matrix" is the one of the best movies that poor frostysh have witnessed! Despite of some nonsense there. What the hell you are comparing?!, "well directed" stuff of "The Lord of the Rings", whahha, it is sux comparing to "The Matrix", and those, the so-called "Bourne.." super sux. This three movies cannot be compared in such terms. In short:

"The Matrix" - a good developed thing with a lot of cool stuff, of course with implementations of some high level pro-propaganda, and nonsense, but still.

"The Lord of the Rings" - the bucket of a medicore level propaganda, orientation is underage, the teens, a bad-engi guys, a bad-programmers guys etc. The standard stuff, in general. Of course with a some fun moments, well, in the any case you can imagine your own fairy tale there, if you have some imagination and because of cool graphics and sound there.

"The Bourne..." stuff - a low level propaganda. Orientation: active-guys of different categories, adults "typo family", old-guys (there is from the times of the photos of the public leaders everywhere), etc-etc.

So this two ones is from a different category than "The Matrix", and of course all of that is only the my own (frostysh) nonsense a.k.a IMHO.

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verriker
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posted June 27, 2017 10:56 PM

forestryish even if I make my best and most earnest effort to understand what you are saying so I can friendly debate the matter back at you, it is borderline impossible mate, I simply cannot make any heads or tails of what you are trying to communicate here cheers lol
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fred79
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posted June 27, 2017 11:55 PM

frostysh said:
"The Lord of the Rings", whahha, it is sux comparing to "The Matrix"


man, that's horrible bait. obviously you're not a channer.

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blizzardboy
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posted June 28, 2017 12:09 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 00:16, 28 Jun 2017.

The Matrix sequels I would say are average/above average movies. AFAIK they were never really planned and so were pretty quickly hashed out to follow up with the extremely well-done original.

It irritated me how they pandered to the high school/college demographic. They visit the last underground city of Zion and it's a bunch of people dressed up in a Bladerunner roleplay having... I don't know... a mash pit / neon glowstick dance party in a big underground cavern? Like... mmkay. Cool story bro. And then the last fight was like 25 minutes of Neo flipping around in circles. The lower key battles in the 1st movie were so much better.
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Elvin
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posted June 28, 2017 12:21 AM

blizzardboy said:
They visit the last underground city of Zion and it's a bunch of people dressed up in a Bladerunner roleplay having... I don't know... a mash pit / neon glowstick dance party in a big underground cavern? Like... mmkay. Cool story bro. And then the last fight was like 25 minutes of Neo flipping around in circles.

The exact two issues I had watching them. They felt like weird choices.
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frostysh
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posted July 02, 2017 08:42 PM
Edited by frostysh at 13:08, 12 Jul 2017.

verriker -

This is ok, for first even frostysh sometimes cannot understand frostysh. Second nothing interesting in frostysh at all, no-lifer, loser, etc.

Guys, how the hell you divide and understand "The Matrix", Idkn, for frostysh "The Matrix", "The Lord of the Rings", and this "Bourne.." is just a one long movie, not 3 divided movies. The end of story in this case. In "The Matrix", which quality is unreachable for the another two, hard (not the hardcore, but the hell hard enough) dark humor, and satire on the level far from frostysh. The MCI there is just destroyed, no comment . And one of the best thing in such kind of movies - this movie study kiddos to make their own choice, same as Mr Anderson, same as Trinity, they making their own choice many times, they looking into the Abyss, of course it is a very difficult questions and a many things there, but the hell with it, we will simplify...
Of course, for an example Trinity died, mr Anderson too, of course they both lose, and never become even near to the power of such horrible monsters as "An Architect", but the hell they done the choice.





And that because Mr Neo, and Mrs Trinity is different than 99,99% of anything other in this movies, they more like "An Architect" in this case. So even a horrible-horrible monsters must take their choice into account. The bloody alcursed bad old rules, what can I say for more.

And those frostysh "The Matrix", even despite of lot of nonsense depicted there.

P.S. Bloody stupid image from the wikipedia, ahh, nevermind
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tSar-Ivor
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posted July 02, 2017 09:23 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 00:55, 03 Jul 2017.

The problem is that the first movie touched on topics and places that are not wholly expanded on with good reason, they matter but aren't central to the story (like Zion, which was only mentioned like once in the entire first film IIRC) we didn't have to see the city or how it functions (second movie, its politics/water recycling etc) as those things served little purpose.

The problem is that the second and third movies in order to expand on the world introduce so many things to the simple but thought provoking formula that it collapses. The orignal movie had so many self contained snippets that made you think and that's where it truly shines imho.
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artu
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posted July 03, 2017 12:13 AM

tSar-Ivor said:
The problem is that the second and third movies in order to expand on the story introduce so many things to the simple but thought provoking formula that it collapses. The orignal movie had so many self contained snippets that made you think and that's where it truly shines imho.

Come to think of it, I guess, I'm not very fond of them for almost identical reasons.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 03, 2017 01:08 AM
Edited by bloodsucker at 01:11, 03 Jul 2017.

The first movie had a driving idea that while out of the box was after all quite simple, yet is also full of those cryptic messages like "I can only show you the way, you have to walk it on your own" while the other two subtext is basically that, cryptic messages one can interpret in very different ways. While I still see some drive in the second I fail to see it in the third, I'm guessing they just run out of ideas and made some weird metaphor of the christian myth of sacrifice. It's epic but I fail to see any real drive there, just a bunch of aphorisms with no real context.
Acting, fight choreography and photography still rank very high.

Have you watched Jupiter Ascending? After years of inactivity that was the best they could come up with? For me it just buried the idea that it was me who was unable to get the subtext of Matrix Revolutions, it was the movie that lacked it.    
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posted July 04, 2017 04:48 PM

I really think the sequels are awful. The second is maybe watchable but first of all the Ghost/Werewolf programs were stupid. Secondly there was only one good action scene and it was the chase scene at the end (and it lasted a bit too long). Seriously when Neo is God there is no tension in the fights at all where he is involved. CGI is crap and they just fly around like superman all the time. In the first movie the Agents were like Terminators and they were veery scary.

Third movie is so bad I can't watch it to the end for the second time, I tried.

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posted July 04, 2017 04:50 PM

@ Minion:

Didn't think of it that way, but you are absolutely right. The 1st Matrix had a feeling of desperation to it that made it suspenseful to watch, and the 2nd and 3rd ones did not.
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posted July 08, 2017 10:09 PM

If you analyze the prophecy Smith is the chosen one, not neo. If you think otherwise you've missed the point. ..
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posted July 08, 2017 10:42 PM

Agent Smith's character went down the ****-pipe after the first movie.
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