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LizardWarrior
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posted July 08, 2017 01:46 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 13:47, 08 Jul 2017.

Cenk Ugyur is a full-time fat slob, professional genocide denier and wannabe journalist. His pseudo-intelectual ramblings are laughable at best.

Now, read my post and bloodsucker's posts again. I wasn't saying that a woman wasn't jailed for 30 years for aborting a rape baby in some backwards country, but that it has nothing to do with Christian beliefs, excepting some far-fetched (mis)interpretations and that Cenk is one of the last persons I'd believe.
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artu
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posted July 08, 2017 02:04 PM
Edited by artu at 14:05, 08 Jul 2017.

I watched about 4 or 5 tv shows on Youtube from him and he seemed okay, he oversimplifies sometimes and can be shallow, that I agree. But I havent seen anything crucial such as genocide denying etc.

And punishing abortion by 30 years or death has everything to do with religion, why else would you "punish" abortion so severly. You can say it's a misinterpretation but than most Muslims would also tell you that killing gays is not in Quran and that's a misinterpretation. In the end, if you believe that murder should be punishable by death and that abortion is murder since God gave the fetus a soul, it's not an extremely far fetched interpretation. I remember Elodin defending exactly this as a Christian, that he is against personal attacks but had the state executed abortion performers it would be in perfect sync with the Lord's law.
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posted July 08, 2017 02:14 PM

bloodsucker said:
this is sharia law for Christians.
Rape Victim Sentenced 30 Years After Stillbirth


You did listen to the video? She would have get same conviction in any European country as well, what has to do the rape she is victim of with the fact that she killed the baby after birth?

As for people with "christian bla bla also", yes you will certainly find radical Christians, which, SOMETIMES and very RARELY, will do stupid things because they thought their god asks for. But how can be that compared with the tremendous amount of inadmissible facts Muslims will hammer day after day, in the vast majority of Muslim countries? Take for example the funny thread about Al Hazin having a relationship with Blizz. Does any realize that in Al Hazin's country they will both get to jail for that? Does anyone recall that every hour one girls has its genitals mutilated in UK because Islam? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound when you try to conflate Christianity misdeeds with Islam's ones?

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artu
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posted July 08, 2017 02:24 PM
Edited by artu at 14:37, 08 Jul 2017.

I'm on slow phone connection at the moment, I can't watch the video. I'm saying that if it is a case where abortion is punished severly (like bloodsucker and lizard presented), then such a law can not be isolated from religious motives. That's my objection.

On the rest, I mainly agree. Most Christian countries secularized and Christian theology is not as problematic as the Islamic one. In today's world Islamism is a significant problem, Christianity, although still creating many problems on a lesser scale, can not be compared to it on a symmetrical basis.

Female circumcision is an African tradition btw, it's not originally Islamic. Some countries in Africa, both Chhristian and Muslim (and immigrants from them I suppose) apply it. It's non-existent in rest of the Muslim countries though.
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 08, 2017 02:38 PM

artu said:
I watched about 4 or 5 tv shows on Youtube from him and he seemed okay, he oversimplifies sometimes and can be shallow, that I agree. But I havent seen anything crucial such as genocide denying etc.



He runs a show called "The young turks", the fact that he denies the Armenian Genocide should be no surprise.
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posted July 08, 2017 02:41 PM

The video, at first, doesn't tell anything about abortion, but for giving birth in a toilet. Then people found the baby dead in the TOILET. Only in the second part, they try to mix abortion prohibition with the previous facts, while it looks to me she was convicted for killing the baby, not for abortion.

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artu
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posted July 08, 2017 02:47 PM
Edited by artu at 14:49, 08 Jul 2017.

Well, I do acknowledge what happened was a genocide but many Turks (even the ones not brainwashed by official propaganda) prefer the Bernard Lewis perspective. Mostly for sentimental reasons, they hate to be compared to Nazis because such a level of racism is indeed non-existent here.

The Young Turks (Jöntürk) were a group of modernists objecting to authoritarian politics of the Sultan in the 19th century. They were nationalists, too of course but in that political context (monarchism versus nationalism), that was something progressive to be those days. The name is a reference to that, since Cenk Uygur is not right-wing by today's standards but progressive left, even if he is a shallow example of that.
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AnkVaati
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posted July 08, 2017 05:58 PM

Normalizing Israeli settlements is a fantastic and very un-SJW:ish thing to do. Am Yisrael Chai.
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posted July 08, 2017 09:10 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:14, 08 Jul 2017.

Salamandre said:
You did listen to the video? She would have get same conviction in any European country as well, what has to do the rape she is victim of with the fact that she killed the baby after birth?
Yes, I listened the entire video, I even checked if they needed me to translate it to portuguese, something I do regularly.
I never was raped and I never had anything besides bacteria growing in my belly but I believe I would never raise the product of my rape and I don't feel that should be a crime. I find strange she didn't knew what was happening, though.

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posted July 08, 2017 10:08 PM

What is awful is people from this video recalling every 5 seconds she was raped, thus implying that child didn't deserve to live. And he ended drowned in some public toilets, like garbage. Wether you are religious or not, life still appears both as a miracle or as a greatest ever gift, mostly because we are not able to reproduce its mechanics neither understand its purpose or plan its destiny. Once is there, there is no excuse in the world to justify butchering a little child. You can abandon it, it still has his chance.
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posted July 08, 2017 10:25 PM

I agree with sal. Even if its a product of rape, murdering the child is wrong.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 08, 2017 10:52 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 23:11, 08 Jul 2017.

Salamandre said:
...And he ended drowned in some public toilets, like garbage. Wether you are religious or not, life still appears both as a miracle or as a greatest ever gift, mostly because we are not able to reproduce its mechanics neither understand its purpose or plan its destiny. Once is there, there is no excuse in the world to justify butchering a little child. You can abandon it, it still has his chance.
Agreed. I'm still against forcing someone to carry the product of a rape and think she should had been completely exonerated from any liability cause no one can be considered responsible for his actions in such a situation, you have to be considered insane about it.
Suddenly I felt a nostalgie about Abused Female's Fury, do you remember that?

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posted July 09, 2017 11:09 AM

Odd to see someone who doesn't like SJW:s support child murder because “freedom of choice doh!” although it goes well hand in hand by complaining about Israel “occupying” poor savages on an area the later once ethnically cleansed of Jews and still seek to do with terror and murder.

Reason religious people are all about “family values” and stuff is not because of some irrational superstition but because the bible (and several other religious texts) is basically an ancient guide on how to survive as a people/tribe (something the Jewish really do well, returning to their land after 2k years in exile). Even if some of them don't always get it.
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posted July 09, 2017 11:28 AM

You CAN'T survive as a tribe in a modern state. All social dynamics require different norms. That's why the hasidiks who are obssessed with the settlements, the jihadists in Paris or the evangelists in America are all products of a very very misguided defense mechanism. They can not cope with change, so they choose to attack it.
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posted July 09, 2017 11:57 AM

Which "social dynamics"? A kid still requires education and discipline, and even more than before, now that everyone's dynamically busted or confused by internet facilities. Therefore he needs a stable family, preferably lasting until he is an adult, with secular values like respect, motivation for hardworking, sacrifice, self discipline and with less individual caprices leading to familial decomposition and weaker bedrocks.

Kids from such families have much higher chances to succeed, but the weird fact is that "social norms" now praise the opposite trend, independency, individuality, comfort and selfishness. Discipline hurts, competition hurts, criticism hurts, feelings are now above all. Therefore the society choose to lower the challenges, as what seemed necessary and mandatory a couple of decades ago -regardless to education- is now considered as dusty and inessential.

Mainly the reason the far left became today so violent and ungovernable, those are the uneducated millennials who believe the world owes them everything, then when reality contradicts that belief, they go berserk and burn all in sight.

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posted July 09, 2017 12:32 PM
Edited by artu at 12:33, 09 Jul 2017.

The social dynamics that produced the need for secularism in the first place: If you try to apply the Old Testament to civil life, it wont stick. For instance, you can't claim the settlements are yours because God promised the land to you. That means literally nothing to anybody else. Family values is a vague concept, the values of being a family was different a hundred years ago, very different 300 years ago and will be different next century. Is "obey your husband without questioning" a family value? Acorrding to Abrahamic religions, it is. And what does lack of discipline etc have to do with tribalism? Dont turn this into a "kids these days" rant, please.
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posted July 09, 2017 12:55 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 13:00, 09 Jul 2017.

Salamandre said:
the weird fact is that "social norms" now praise the opposite trend, independency, individuality, comfort and selfishness.
The reason 'modern societies' praise these values is because it makes much easier to sell new i-pods, expensive cars, etc... If those kids thought like my father many big corporations, including Microsoft, Intel, Apple and maybe even Mc Donald's, would be bankrupt.

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artu
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posted July 09, 2017 01:06 PM

I don't think there's anything wrong with individuality or independence or seeking self interest and comfort given the circumstance they are supported on a healthy dose.
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LizardWarrior
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posted July 09, 2017 01:13 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 13:14, 09 Jul 2017.

bloodsucker said:
Microsoft, Intel, Apple and maybe even Mc Donald's, would be bankrupt.


Those companies are much more than some toymakers for spoiled millennials. On the other hand, stuff like Facebook, Snapchat and all those dime a dozen popular "services" that make billions, serve no other purpose than being time sinks and ad machines.
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posted July 09, 2017 01:19 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 15:50, 09 Jul 2017.

artu said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with individuality or independence or seeking self interest and comfort given the circumstance they are supported on a healthy dose.

You got me wrong, my father was not some selfless man trying to build a better world, he was a hunk that wouldn't buy a new phone while the old one was still working.
And this is also why I didn't mention the 'service' companies, I'm pretty sure he would have loved Netflix, at least after retirement. I can spend hundreds of hours watching reasonable quality content for less then 10 bucks, much cheapper then subscribe to any portuguese TV provider.

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