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Humanoid
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posted July 14, 2017 09:57 AM

Warhammer 40000

Is there anyone else here, who play 40K tabletop?
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Kipshasz
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Elvin's Darkside
posted July 14, 2017 07:01 PM

ain't nobody got cash for that.

Or live in countries where there are to few players stretched out too far across from eachother, and meeting up for a game is way too expensive and generally not worth it.

Although I'm very tempted to pick up the new repulsor tank(once the bleeping thing comes out) just to build and paint it.
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posted July 15, 2017 01:08 AM

I know a bunch of people who play, but the thing doesn't really seem logistically sound to me. You need to assemble a whole bunch of miniatures, then you need to paint them, and then you lug around a bloody suitcase of the stuff to cover a large table in them and roll dice for three hours.

But I do like the look of the things
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posted September 02, 2018 09:55 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 21:56, 02 Sep 2018.

Just to give this thread a bit of a bump. It's actually far more common than I thought, Age of Sigmar and 40k (and 30k) are pretty popular, whenever I go into the Warhammer store there's always people playing, great social activity imho. It's great fun.

Got a 3000 point Bretonnian army and just starting on my daughter's of Khaine.
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posted September 02, 2018 10:53 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:56, 02 Sep 2018.

I'm fond of the universe, but never got into the tabletop version. I like games with figures, and Warhammer ones always cought my eye, but I never had a knack for painting and imo the figures don't make much sense without it. You can order a painter to do it for you, but I don't think that's the point, is it? So I settled with board games which aren't related to it

In Poland it actuallly wasn't that hard to get into it, aside from the cost vs standard salary ratio ofc. In my youth there was a shop in which people gathered to play the thing, so there was no problem with access to it. I belive they even rented figures, but I was into MtG at that time. I later also discovered that one of my friends painted them as a hobby.

A few years back when I was in Warsaw, I was in Games Workshop official shop, so you can say things look pretty good here.

Regarding Age of Sigmar: it's universaly hated by the original WFB fanbase (actually not the game itself, but how they "killed off" the old fanatsy universe), but one cannot ignore the fact that it was a top notch marketing decision. They practically saved the franchise with it.

PS: I found that Total War: Warhammer games (or Dawn of War games back in their glory days) make for a great substitute for the tabletop game. A bit cheaper also.

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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted August 16, 2020 03:35 PM
Edited by blob2 at 15:51, 16 Aug 2020.

A bit of necrothreading.

Recently I got into collecting "Codexes" and altogether into the lore of W40k. Like I mentioned I always was interested in the franchise but now it cought me like a torrent. I recently got a hold of a bit cash and now I'm buying codexes like crazy (I really need to control myself more :/). 25$ is not such a large sum for an "artbook/lorebook", but when you consider there are like 30 of them then... yikes. I don't plan on collecting all of them, especially the supplements, but it's still around 20 books.

Somehow it alluded me before, but the codexes are actually a really fun read, they are not your standard game manuals per se. Like I mentioned in the "Artbooks" thread only 1/3 is actual game related stuff, rest is pure lore. And even the "game" stuff (datasheet part) is interesting as it enables you to visualize the units themselves: their strenghts, abilities and weapons. Add the fact that even artifacts or stratagems have an actual flavor text so even this adds to the overall enjoment of a read.

I'm afraid I might even start collecting the minatures themsleves at some point (the game feels a bit too cumbersome for me with all the dice rolls so I don't plan to play it, yet), but the idea of the need to paint them fortunately keeps me at bay. And codexes fill that void largely because they display all the figures masterfully painted so no need for that XD.

Yeah I know it might sound silly to actually collect "manuals" for a game you don't play, but I think I stated the reason why I like those books by themselves clearly.

Back to the W40k: I just like how "straightforward" it is. Humanity is f*cked up, yet they hold up handsomely, it's fun to follow this epicness. Ofc there are politics, racism, nationalism crap etc (so the "hot topics" of today, no escaping it here) and the whole universe is a pretty damp place, but it has been explained time and time again why it is so captivating and I can fully agree with it. I also think its steering away from political correctness steadfastilly and even if some changes/additions were forced they are actually pretty cool (I find Adepta Sororitas really nice). Let's keep it that way please, it's "grimdark", there is no place for political correctness here. It's just so badass that even if you assume it's pretty shallow (when you strip it from all those layers of additional fiction it's actually about "dudes" beating the s*it out each other) reading it still gives me this really fuzzy feeling inside I must be craving for some pure badassery...

Bonus: look, a frigging SM Captain now holds a skeleton as his shield lel XD



Games Workshop is in a really good spot now. They are earning a ton of money and are probably one of the most succesful gaming companies in recent years. Corona pandemic gave them another boost, same as with Dungeons & Dragons. W40k 8th edition is assumed to be one of the best so far even with it shortcomings (I don't remember the specifics but players are still quite positive about the general rules). It introduced many new players due to Corona, and there are also a lot of returning players. 9th edition is on the way but designers said it will be a really smooth transition and you can use all your stuff from 8th. Age of Sigmar after a really rocky start is said to be holding quite well (they tidied up the lore), and like it or not it was a great marketing move, alas due to CA Total War Warhammer games great success, Games Workshop have officially announced they are bringing back the "Fantasy" universe (the form is still not known, but this is great news indeed https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/15/old-world-new-warhammer/).

I short, good time to be a fan of the universe.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 16, 2020 08:09 PM

the new 40k lore is basically this:



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posted August 16, 2020 08:23 PM
Edited by blob2 at 20:35, 16 Aug 2020.

I still didn't reach this moment in the lore (well, not in detail at least). The codexes cover the events before and at the start of 41st millenium if I'm correct. In larger scope I know about HF Leviathan as the newest "big" Tyrranid invasion, 13th Black Crusade and fall of Cadia, Gulliman an his Indomitus Crusade, and the Plague Wars...

I'm actually more interested in the "origin" lore like Horus Heresy, how various chapters/Imperium structures or xenos came to be instead of what is "going on currently". That's why I enjoy the Codexes.

Like I say, the storytelling isn't probably that deep (hence the memes but there will always be memes), but let's face it, it all is basically something-something to justify the constant skull-bashing :]

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Modding the Unmoddable
posted August 17, 2020 01:57 AM

The lore is actually getting worse for me with the Necrons "just wanting to be real boys again" , everyone being so "nostalgic" for the good old days, etc. instead of dark its angsty and whiny

However I did make a mod for Dawn of War Soulstorm (which was mad eon the old lore) so you can check it out

https://www.moddb.com/mods/a-darker-crusade
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posted August 17, 2020 02:32 PM

NimoStar said:
The lore is actually getting worse for me with the Necrons "just wanting to be real boys again" , everyone being so "nostalgic" for the good old days, etc. instead of dark its angsty and whiny


Well, initially I thought that Necrons were literally souless machines imprisoned in some kind of perpetual hate for the living. Only after reading the codex I realized they actually have their own agendas. Other the conquering all the others cause they are nothing but dust to them of course. There are a few overlords with their own motivations ofc. But that is good imo, players still want to identify somehow with a faction, roleplay. To do so a faction needs to have at least some background. The "destroy everyone because why not" can only work in short-term.

Aside from Tyranids who only want to omnomnom the galaxy (but there will probably be a deeper meaning sooner or later). But be at ease soldier, just read about a daily life of a standard citizen of the Imperium. Imo it should be enough to bring back your grim dark fantasies

Maybe I'm not the one judge with no deeper knowledge of what came before, but the setting is still pretty depressing if you ask me

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Kipshasz
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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 17, 2020 08:43 PM

Speaking of new sculpts, I do love the Primaris Chaplain one.


I do not however love it's pricetag of 30 EU monopoly money for a single bleeping figure. price on GW online store btw.


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posted August 17, 2020 09:56 PM
Edited by blob2 at 21:57, 17 Aug 2020.

Ah yes, nothing beats a religious fanatic that has a skeleton ribcage and skull for armor! Probably taken as a relic from some poor battleliner who was eaten by Tyranids while protecting his chapter brothers Did I mention that he uses a literal skull to bash other skulls?

At first I was like: Space Marines are boring. But they actually have so many badass designs now: Centurion armors, Captains, Veterans, Reivers, friggin Eliminators. I don't remember them being this cool. And don't even get me started on the Legions: my favs Space Wolves or Grey Knights!

And yeah, the figures are hilariously expensive, not to mention you still need to buy buttloads of paint colors. Ofc is you especially don't like your money you can always invest in even more over-the-top and premium Horus Heresy lines https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/The-Horus-Heresy.

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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 17, 2020 11:22 PM

Italeri acrylics are just 2 euros a bottle, and come in proper squeeze bottles, not the retarded GW pots. just saying. and a nice color range too.

Eventually I think the pricing policies of GW will come back and bit them in the ass,despite the fact that they hold a literal monopoly on miniature wargaming, as others are either too unpopular or obscure.

Also Age of Sigmar kits seem to be cheaper than 40k,at least the large ones.

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posted August 18, 2020 12:34 AM

Kipshasz said:
Eventually I think the pricing policies of GW will come back and bit them in the ass,despite the fact that they hold a literal monopoly on miniature wargaming, as others are either too unpopular or obscure.

Also Age of Sigmar kits seem to be cheaper than 40k,at least the large ones.



I wonder about that, their sales are better then ever. People are more likely to throw money at them then ever cause nerdism is at all-time raise. But I've read about another quite interesting aspect of their business - the plastic might be their downfall. Firstly, plastic is the big baddie of todays ecology-friendly society. Secondly 3D printers are gaining more popularity. While probably not in the nearest time this might lead to their ultimate downfall.

And Sigmar seem to be the more approachable one.

I'm interested to see what will WH Fantasy return bring. This might break the bank yet again cus both nostalgic/returning fans and the CA bandwagon are there for the taking.

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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 18, 2020 08:28 AM

Still. 30 monopoly money for a single figure is a tad fubar. and it doesn't even come with an extra sprue or two of spare bits, like a lot of other GW kits. Although afaik, GW sells their kits to third party retailers at a discount, and in gmaing stores the kits are about 20% or so cheaper

Really want an Imperial Knight kit too, but bleep me, year or so ago it was 90, and now it's 120 on GW online store. And where I live the game isn't very popular, and the only hobby store that sells them is in my soy infested capital. the next one over is in Warsaw, at least an official GW store.

Plastic won't be the downfall of GW or any other scale model company. I've seen none cave in to the demands of the soys. worst GW done is that Sisters of Battle miniatiure, or specifically one head bit for that particular model, that when painted in the suggested GW scheme looks like Terry Crews in a wig, while the soys and their tumblrinas screeched for female space marines and other garbage.
Here it is, the new Canoness model



and even if the soys pressure these type of hobby companies, their CEOs and PR departments could just pull "we use recycled plastic goys" and be done with it. if they're smart that is. Could be worse for GW, because they're british, and need a loicense and permits for everything, and most other successful scale model companies are far east asian based.
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posted August 18, 2020 09:01 AM
Edited by blob2 at 09:10, 18 Aug 2020.

Yet I don't see Asians making a huge deal of it yet. Btw I belive Salamanders canon-wide are all of "ebony" color so that's that. GW is probably on the radar for representing almost only white-alpha-male depictions of space soldiers. If they kept the helmets on their figures it wouldn't be a problem, but I think more and more figures stop covering their faces. So it's a matter of time when SJW will attack it aggressively, the bigger the money the greater the target.

In PL where I live a few hobby shops sell GW products. Board games have gotten really popular recently so people are trying to take something out of this cake and open up shops. About 20 minutes by car from me there is a board game shop that has at least 3 whole bookstands of W40k goodies (and their prices are decent), and at least one whole stand with citadel accessories, so if I ever wanted to get into painting I would be amply supplied

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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 18, 2020 09:36 AM

not ebony, they're charcoal black for the most part in most official descriptions. and despite some fan art, in universe salamanders aren't really nubian. think a white dude in blackface.
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posted August 18, 2020 10:18 AM
Edited by blob2 at 10:25, 18 Aug 2020.

Kipshasz said:
not ebony, they're charcoal black for the most part in most official descriptions. and despite some fan art, in universe salamanders aren't really nubian. think a white dude in blackface.


Sorry to dissapoint Kip, but I'm holding 8th edition 2019 updated Space Marines codex in my hands atm and it states: "Like their Primarch, every battle-brother of the Salamanders has skin as black as ebony and eyes as red as blood, the result of an unusual interaction between their own gene-seed implants and the exotic radiation from the surface of Nocturne".

Though if you take a closer look on the art, I guess you're description is not that far from the truth...

Not that it matters, as long as it's not the focus, but rather a flavor I'm ok with representations of various groups of people in the franchise. In a fascist/religious/zealous organization that is Imperium it would be silly if they focused on human rights...


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Elvin's Darkside
posted August 18, 2020 10:44 AM

Your only right in the Imperium of Man is to serve the Emperor. everything else is forfeit.

Soys would go to the front lines with a stick to repent via death.
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posted August 18, 2020 10:53 AM

Kipshasz said:
Soys would go to the front lines with a stick to repent via death.


Soys wouldn't even last a day of the gruesome Space Marine training. There's always Imperial Guard though.

But we're getting off topic Kip. For now I'll focus on my next big treat: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Visions-Of-Heresy-hb-2018



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