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Heroes Community > Volcanic Wastelands > Thread: Why (second edition)
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Galaad
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posted August 10, 2017 11:05 AM

Why (second edition)

Why
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Maurice
Maurice

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Part of the furniture
posted August 10, 2017 11:44 AM

Because.
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posted August 10, 2017 12:01 PM

Potato.
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artu
artu


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posted August 10, 2017 12:24 PM

Why not?
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Blizzardboy
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posted August 10, 2017 04:18 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 16:22, 10 Aug 2017.

Richard the Lion-hearted spoke native French his entire life and was culturally French.

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Gryphs
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posted August 10, 2017 04:47 PM

Blizzardboy said:
Lion-hearted
No.
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posted August 10, 2017 05:19 PM

Gryphs said:
Blizzardboy said:
Lion-hearted
No.


Joe.
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posted August 10, 2017 06:01 PM

AlHazin said:
Gryphs said:
Blizzardboy said:
Lion-hearted
No.


Joe.


Bow.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted August 10, 2017 06:11 PM

Blizzardboy said:
Richard the Lion-hearted spoke native French his entire life and was culturally French.


Buried in France too.
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posted August 10, 2017 07:40 PM

Blizzardboy said:
Richard the Lion-hearted spoke native French his entire life and was culturally French.


The squirrel is right on this one. At the times of Richard Lionheart the court language in Jolly old England was indeed french, mostly  due to the deeds of a fine Norman lad called Wilhelm the Conquerer.

Even at later times, french was the language of nobility in a lot of european nations.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted August 10, 2017 08:13 PM

I did have the pleasure of playing with three Frenchies, a Norman, a real French and a southern one, pretty funny how the Frenchy French pretty much disregarded the other two saying 'I didn't even realize they were speaking French' (and the like).
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Maurice
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posted August 10, 2017 08:29 PM

What's also funny is that Richard Couer de Leon is often depicted as a venerable old kind-hearted noble ruler, while in reality he died when he was 33 or so and he was far from kind-hearted, as he saw England as a tax paradise through which he could fund his wars against Philips II. Even worse, he only spent at most half a year after his return from the Crusades in England and about 6 and a half in Normandy, before he died. A death which wasn't even immediate, but due to gangreen from a festering arrow wound.
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artu
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posted August 10, 2017 09:02 PM

Kipshasz said:
Even at later times, french was the language of nobility in a lot of european nations.

It is considered the lingua franca among intellectuals, the language of poetry, art etc. up until mid 20th Century. For instance, all the military elite who established the republic here had learnt French as the Western language in school. (Military schools were among the first to Westernize, since defeat in that field hurts very directly.) Extreme majority of the early 20th Century poets and writers, if they were getting any influence from the West, also got it through French. 19th Century French symbolists were extremely influential on them.

The French are still very bitter about losing that influence and a lot of them are very reactionary when it comes to speaking English.
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Salamandre
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posted August 10, 2017 09:16 PM

Nope, they are just lazy and not curious about foreign languages.

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artu
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posted August 10, 2017 09:26 PM

I havent been to France personally but talked with many people over the years who had lived there or visited frequently. What they tell me is, even ones who can speak English are very unwilling to do that unless it is absolutely necessary. The common observation is that many of them are extra resistant to speak English, compared to, say, Spanish or German people etc. Of course, most people I talked about this went to Paris, small towns may be different in this regard, is where you live a metropolitan area?
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Galaad
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posted August 10, 2017 09:29 PM

@Artu French are reluctant to speak English because they usually can't speak English for ****, I don't know why but English education in France is terrible.
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Galaad
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posted August 10, 2017 09:35 PM

Also you've all been killed by the Antelope for breaking the rules of this thread.
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Salamandre
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posted August 10, 2017 09:39 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 21:50, 10 Aug 2017.

Frenchies don't speak any other foreign language because they think they will not need it, which is majorly the case. People from countries not generating any serious immigration tend to ignore foreign languages, lets ask to our American users here how many of them can make understandable posts in german, french or Spanish. An exception however for north Europeans, which are exceptionally skilled in english, for some reason I can only guess but won't discuss here.

Our ex president Hollande showing exceptional english skills.

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artu
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posted August 10, 2017 09:57 PM

Well, Nordic people mostly speak Germanic languages and English is also one, I'm sure that helps a lot. I never had any formal lessons in Azerbaijanese, never been there either but when I come upon their TV shows, I can understand around 40 percent of what they say.

Anyway, you both live in France, so I'm sure your explanations are essentially true, however if you just google "why dont the French speak English" or "why do the French hate English" you'll see there's a lot of chit chat about this, even articles of various opinions, including the one I mentioned above. So, it's not just about not needing it, at least not seemingly. Somehow, they give a vibe Germans or Italians dont. (Do they need English more than the French.) Maybe, it's about cultural mannerisms.
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Salamandre
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posted August 10, 2017 10:18 PM

artu said:
if you just google "why dont the French speak English" or "why do the French hate English" you'll see there's a lot of chit chat


People are always inclined to find mumbo-jumbo excuses for their fails. If the statement you read had some truth in it, then you would have frenchies talk other than english, possibly Italian and Spanish which are much closer. But no, most people here can't grasp a single word in any foreign language, is just laziness then a complete lack of exercise, as a language you don't practice you will forget in no time. Add to this 100% dubbed movies and you definitely seal any chance to get a decent accent, which is the base for a motivated practice.

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